Question on genetics of seeds

One day a great grower and breeder called Soma wrote this.

2Hearts said:

No one has ever had hermie free genetics, look around a little and u might notice threads on every strain herming.

Many talk the same, waiting for proof and the strains that wont hermie, too easy to come on a stoner board and say this exists.

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If you push hard enough, I suppose you can get anything to Herm, isnt that basically what is done with the STS spray?

But. Some strains are certainly much more resistant to environmental stressors. I have seen this Kush Mints ran many times by a handful of different people including myself, and have yet to see a herm. I have abused her, and she still stays true.

If you push anything hard enough and it herms means it has the herm genetics.

Yes some strains are more resistant OR the grower has supplied that strain with a perfect conditon so it didnt stress much.

Now we agree on observations.

Snob said:

If you push hard enough, I suppose you can get anything to Herm, isnt that basically what is done with the STS spray?

But. Some strains are certainly much more resistant to environmental stressors. I have seen this Kush Mints ran many times by a handful of different people including myself, and have yet to see a herm. I have abused her, and she still stays true.

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Good stuff guys.

There are monoecious and dioecious plants. The vast majority of all plant species are monoecious with only a small percentage being dioecious.

Monoecious plants have both male and female flowers on the same plant and can self pollinate. Corn is monoecious since it has both female and male flowers on the same stalk. The silks are like the pistils of a female flower while the tassels are the male flower which produces pollen. Both male and female flowers are present on corn making it monoecious. Squash and many other plants that have both male and female flowers are also monoecious. A hermophridite cannabis plant is a monoecious cannabis plant.

Dioecious plants have male and female flowers that appear on different plants. Some examples would be kiwi fruit, date palms, and asparagus as these plants require both a male and a female plant to reproduce since being dioecious they either produce male or female flowers but not both.

Cannabis can be either monoecious or dioecious meaning some will have both male and female flowers while others will have either male or female flowers. But all cannabis has the ability to be both. I don't have enough education on plant genetics to know anymore than that and I'm not going to pursue it any further. But every cannabis plant has the ability to self pollinate. It can not be bred out. It may not surface while growing but it's always possible for any cannabis plant to self pollinate depending on the conditions and the need for self preservation.

Southside112 said:

I got tons of seeds. Just a fun educating project.

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Ahhh i see where your coming from now man. So many people on here just trying to cheap out and save a few bucks any way they can that I made incorrect assumptions. Ive got a bunch of new photo strains to run and when i find ones i really like, i might keep clones of my best phenos and reverse them and collect pollen and make true feminized seeds. As far as strains that will "never hermie" there are some out there that people have done the colloidal silver and even when they have gotten pollen sacks they are empty inside, no viable pollen. I would say a plant that even under the most stressful of conditions if it never actually creates viable pollen, it does not have the hermie gene.

2Hearts said:

No one has ever had hermie free genetics, look around a little and u might notice threads on every strain herming.

Many talk the same, waiting for proof and the strains that wont hermie, too easy to come on a stoner board and say this exists.

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I've had plenty of strains I stressed the shit out of and never hermied. Ive had maybe 8 full hermies in the last 18yrs and late herms maybe every few grows depending what I'm growing. Maybe I'm just lucky idk

Gemtree said:

I've had plenty of strains I stressed the shit out of and never hermied. Ive had maybe 8 full hermies in the last 18yrs and late herms maybe every few grows depending what I'm growing. Maybe I'm just lucky idk

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You starting with good genetics usually? I observe the people having the most issues are the bag seed guys.

It still had the hermie genetics, plants are really complex, not showing means nothing, there is no way to stress a plant and gurantee it herms either. Probably why top geneticists have ten twenty years of study, not a simple subject,

Gemtree said:

I've had plenty of strains I stressed the shit out of and never hermied. Ive had maybe 8 full hermies in the last 18yrs and late herms maybe every few grows depending what I'm growing. Maybe I'm just lucky idk

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2Hearts said:

It still had the hermie genetics, plants are really complex, not showing means nothing, there is no way to stress a plant and gurantee it herms either. Probably why top geneticists have ten twenty years of study, not a simple subject,

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Exactly. Same reason seeds can go for 100$+ a pack. Lots of work went into them and even then, they still arent guaranteed.

JoeBlow5823 said:

You starting with good genetics usually? I observe the people having the most issues are the bag seed guys.

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Yeah I've always got good genetics like back on the day it was hazeman, ggg, karma, mtg, og raskal, ect and now mostly popular us stuff like useful, cannarado and csi. My last full herm was a couple years ago off a random strawberry mindwarp x black cherry soda pack I got years ago off ig. I probably haven't dabbled in enough new genetics because I've been growing lots of clones that are real stable like my headbanger, american kush and the sauce the last few yrs.

JoeBlow5823 said:

Exactly. Same reason seeds can go for 100$+ a pack. Lots of work went into them and even then, they still arent guaranteed.

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I've never paid that much for seeds. There is less work going into some of the seeds out there than many people think. People are paying top dollar for F1's that are just first generation crosses and as simple as pollinating a female of one cross with a male of another cross. Many are not breeding anything but just acquired some decent strains, crossed them once and made a bunch of F1's and gave them another name. Most of the stuff out there regardless of the hype has not had years of breeding going into it. Many of these new seed companies selling $100 packs of seeds are ran by people that are not even old enough to have bred out a stable line which takes years.

xtsho said:

I've never paid that much for seeds. There is less work going into some of the seeds out there than many people think. People are paying top dollar for F1's that are just first generation crosses and as simple as pollinating a female of one cross with a male of another cross. Many are not breeding anything but just acquired some decent strains, crossed them once and made a bunch of F1's and gave them another name. Most of the stuff out there regardless of the hype has not had years of breeding going into it. Many of these new seed companies selling $100 packs of seeds are ran by people that are not even old enough to have bred out a stable line which takes years.

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Yeah I know. Guys like Katsu are pretty much just doing F1's with the best clones around. The important thing is how well those F1's have been tested. If 50 out of 50 people test them and come back saying they are top notch, then you get to ask 90 bucks a pack and toss in some freebies, like Katsu does.

Good genetics has nothing to do with hermie genetics, its about uniformity and phenotype. If i had unstable genetics the next generation would look different not herm.

Bag seed, wild seed or breeder seed - all grow the same plant, why some of the best strains have come from bag or herms even the wild.

Gemtree said:

Yeah I've always got good genetics like back on the day it was hazeman, ggg, karma, mtg, og raskal, ect and now mostly popular us stuff like useful, cannarado and csi. My last full herm was a couple years ago off a random strawberry mindwarp x black cherry soda pack I got years ago off ig. I probably haven't dabbled in enough new genetics because I've been growing lots of clones that are real stable like my headbanger, american kush and the sauce the last few yrs.

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2Hearts said:

Good genetics has nothing to do with hermie genetics, its about uniformity and phenotype. If i had unstable genetics the next generation would look different not herm.

Bag seed, wild seed or breeder seed - all grow the same plant, why some of the best strains have come from bag or herms even the wild.

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Yeah that's probably why I get so lucky my The Sauce was from a dispensary bag seed and still some of the best I've had. Same with a monster cookies seed I popped a couple runs ago and was all meaty garlic cookies. So are strains that herm a lot just bad combinations of genetics that dont mix or recessive genes?

Soma explains that in the link above.

Gemtree said:

So are strains that herm a lot just bad combinations of genetics that dont mix or recessive genes?

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JoeBlow5823 said:

Yeah I know. Guys like Katsu are pretty much just doing F1's with the best clones around. The important thing is how well those F1's have been tested. If 50 out of 50 people test them and come back saying they are top notch, then you get to ask 90 bucks a pack and toss in some freebies, like Katsu does.

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I don't have a clue who Katsu is but I hear you. However, they are never going to sell them to me. I make my own F1 crosses that are top notch as well. It's not that hard to do but I understand people that don't want to bother with breeding and just want a pack of seeds that grow good weed. I do that with vegetables because there are varieties that have been bred for my growing zone and do better than other varieties. But most of that breeding is done at the academic level at places like Oregon State University. Like the Siletz Tomato which I grow every year because it's an early heavy producer. And I don't have the time or space to breed tomatoes just like many don't have time or space to breed cannabis so they buy the seeds.

xtsho said:

I don't have a clue who Katsu is but I hear you. However, they are never going to sell them to me. I make my own F1 crosses that are top notch as well. It's not that hard to do but I understand people that don't want to bother with breeding and just want a pack of seeds that grow good weed. I do that with vegetables because there are varieties that have been bred for my growing zone and do better than other varieties. But most of that breeding is done at the academic level at places like Oregon State University. Like the Siletz Tomato which I grow every year because it's an early heavy producer. And I don't have the time or space to breed tomatoes just like many don't have time or space to breed cannabis so they buy the seeds.

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Exactly. I only need like 8-10 seeds a year. Even spending 200$ on that is fine with me when the rec shops are charging 65$ an eighth for hay.

If you shop cheap seeds you will find some of the best plants and strains, the same for exspensive seeds - none is better than the other.

JoeBlow5823 said:

Point is, doesnt matter what they are, they are trash.

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Gg4 came from hermie and it’s probs the most hyped name in the cannabis market for the last however many years. I’ve grown hermie seeds that have not hermd. Your ‘trash’ might be his gold or his only option if on budget. Grow em and if they herm throw them no biggie.