Question?? Sexing

ive gotton purple stems from a nitrogen def and another time it was just some hot soil.

chronicj69 said:

ive gotton purple stems from a nitrogen def and another time it was just some hot soil.

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Thanks Chronic,

I will play around my levels of Nitrogen... not too much to make sure that nothing too extreme happens...

Quick update...
La Nina (Plant 1)... looking great... she is the girly girl of the bunch.....

La Pinta (Plant 2)... I'm losing hope a little bit.... i will attach pictures of her and you can help me out with the sexing.... i think she looks like a male....

La Santa Maria,(Plant 3) Is looking bushy, beautiful and now i'm 75% she is a female.....

All pictures are of plant 2, La Pinta in order to get somefeedback on what you think of her!!!
]Thanks...
ID

Hey Dippers. I have had the same problem with 1 of my ladys. Purple stems in due to heat stress, nitrogen def., or genetics as some strains have this characteristic. Do you have any idea of what strain it might be? Or like me, can you only guess. I have a question. Since there are so many diffrent strains, hybrids out there, how can one be sure what they have? For all we know, theres hybrid- hybrids, 4 strains in 1. Very confussing????

My bad InDippers. Disregard my last post about purple stems. This is not caused by a nitrogen def. but a phosphorus def. And not only does heat stress cause this, but cold temps to. Again, sorry for the misleading info. Friends don't hand friends cashed bowls. lol

Hey midnight,

thanks for the help!!! and you certainly don;t hand a cashed bowl!!! just not polite!!! hehehe

To all,

To give you guys a quick update on my plants... I woke this morning (i'm in europe) made some needed updates to my growhouse... It's looking GHETTOLICIOUS!!! but to be honest the plants grew so much overnight that La Santa MAria suffered a little heat stress for touching the lights. i've solved this problem already, (they really just sprung up!!!) I also pulled what i'm 90% sure is a male (so i'm not taking any risks!!) So the two left are La Niña and La Santa Maria.... They are looking great but scared that the heat stress might have cause internal damage to La Santa Maria.... if you guys know... tell me if this could have cause terminal damage to her....
Santa MAria for some reason, her white hairs are much smaller, and are not showing in so many places as La Niña's hairs, but she IS showing pistils....
But hoping that she is just a bit of a late bloomer!!!!

For the purple steam regarding heat, ive done everything i can about this... the CFL's are 2-3 inches from the plants.... but they seem to grow like crazy ,in my next watering (in about 2 days) i'm feeding her nutes...i've increased the nutes to about 75% strength and the nutes i'm using is guano NPK 4-5-6... (this is all i could find where i live, since i don't have access to all these fancy name products!! i'm keeping the pH b/t 6.0-6.5. Let me know if i can improve this NPK formula!!!

Side NOTE..i don;t know what to do with my baby boy... In each node, around the new set of springing leaves he is showing (2-4) ball sacks on the top 3 branches and going down....could i use this for hash??? i'm not planing on germinating any kind of seeds, since these plants are from bagseed....but if there is any usable THC in this plant... i would like to use it!!! Any suggestions?????
Thanks all
I'll post some some pics when i get a chance!!! let my girls rest for a while, they had a rough morning!!!!!

Hope all is well with your guy's crops!!!
InD

that last pic on this page looked male

yeap, he's been pulled out of the growroom!!! however, don't know what to do with it!!! don't want seeds.. any suggestions???

While doing the forms in the Military, one Guy, when ask "Sex", He wrote, Not Yet".

See my post "growing males" in this section.

Hey Dippers. I would just throw that plant out or feed it to my turtles! lol If a male does produce THC, its probly a very small amount, not worth it to me. But like I said before, inspect your plants everyday. As soon as I saw pistils coming out of most the node sites, I assumed it was 100% female, so I didn't inspect it as much. Well I came in one day and noticed some orange/white powder on the lower leaves. Well I looked at all the branching on my plant and it turns out that a male flower (which was growing directly next to a female flower) had already opened, released its pollen, and died. Now I'm sure half my crop is ruined but the top colas should be fine. Not to upset cuz even though its bagseed, I think it is a good strain, whatever it is. And I wouldn't mind growing it again. Now my ? is, if a female pollinates itself will the seeds be the same exzact thing? All replies are welcome.

Hey Midnight, thanks for the advice!!! I will be keeping a close look at my females then!!!!

Quick update: La Nina seems to be getting through puberty pretty well!!! She is hairy and showing lots of pistils!! However, La Santa Maria (is a bushier one) is taking longer to show more pistils... they are showing in a few nodes but are still very small... I think this might be cause of the heat stress it suffered the other day when it touched the lights!!! but no sign of male flowers yet so not a hermie just yet!!! I think the heat might have slowed down the flowering process to recuperate! Tell what you guys think!! if this has ever happened to you!?!??!?
I pulled the male plant, La Pinta, out and sat in my kitchen, moved it to the living room and took it out this morning to the balcony, the light cycle is all screwed up since the lights are on and off randomly in these places.... i woke up to a great smelling plant this morning... it was subtle (or i don't know if stoner ass and smoker's morning stuffed nose had anything to do with this and it was really stinky) but i could smell the male!!! I'm dying to know how my harvest will look!!! It's a shame about La Santa Maria having suffered a little... but i guess i will know soon enough!!!
i'll post some pics when they are up!!!
InD

Hey guys i'm back to do an update... i don't know if many of you care, but for those out there i have some pics!!!! I still have two of my girls doing the 12/12 cycle and the male sitting on my balcony (far from the grow). La Nina is doing her thing and showing great white hairs, plus beautiful flowers starting to show in at least 8-9 diff sites!!! La Santa Maria is the one that suffered the heat stress a few days back, and i think she has recovered, but not completely... you will see in the pics!!! Everything else looks fine and working!! I'm still trying to fine tune nutrients thing, but they were bumbed up to 75% strength (as i have been increasing slowly as told,) of a 4-5-6 NPK. Let me know if i should just use the comple amount, or even double....
Any ways.. the first pic is of a leave in la SAnta Maria... she is still a little sick...

Now La NIna is looking great... you will wee from the pics!!
Enjoy and any comments from anyone and any experts out there are welcome!!

InDippers said:

Thanks Chronic,

I will play around my levels of Nitrogen... not too much to make sure that nothing too extreme happens...

Quick update...
La Nina (Plant 1)... looking great... she is the girly girl of the bunch.....

La Pinta (Plant 2)... I'm losing hope a little bit.... i will attach pictures of her and you can help me out with the sexing.... i think she looks like a male....

La Santa Maria,(Plant 3) Is looking bushy, beautiful and now i'm 75% she is a female.....

All pictures are of plant 2, La Pinta in order to get somefeedback on what you think of her!!!
]Thanks...
ID

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they are all males(post number 22)???????.
sorry.
LUDACRIS.

la nina now looks hermie in pics 5+6.
LUDA.

LUDACRIS said:

they are all males(post number 22)???????.
sorry.
LUDACRIS.

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Thanks Luda,

Yeah in post 22 all pics are of La Pinta which is now sitting in my balcony.... confirmed male!
La nina is the smaller one.... which is showing flowers everywhere!!! I'm like pretty sure is a girl!!! but,
Pics 5-6 are of La Santa Maria! She has been acting weird... only showing hairs every here and there and building up some of what look like flowers !!! But not seen any sings of balls anywhere or pollen sacks... i can take more pics.. and let me know what you think!

How can i tell if it's a hermie??

InDippers said:

Thanks Luda,

Yeah in post 22 all pics are of La Pinta which is now sitting in my balcony.... confirmed male!
La nina is the smaller one.... which is showing flowers everywhere!!! I'm like pretty sure is a girl!!! but,
Pics 5-6 are of La Santa Maria! She has been acting weird... only showing hairs every here and there and building up some of what look like flowers !!! But not seen any sings of balls anywhere... i can take more pics.. and let me know what you think!

How can i tell if it's a hermie??

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its a bit confusing because you have so many pics and names for your plants.
post the pics of the ones you are still not sure about(without the names L.O.L.) and i will advise.
CRIS.

LUDACRIS said:

its a bit confusing because you have so many pics and names for your plants.
post the pics of the ones you are still not sure about(without the names L.O.L.) and i will advise.
CRIS.

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Thanks bro... will be back in five with more pics!!!!

So here we go... i don;t think is that hard the names anymore... hehehe anyways...

two plans left... Nina (Plant 1) and Santa Maria (Plant2)...

These are pictures of 2 mins ago... of mostly Plant 2, but two last pics of Plant 1...

Let me know what you think!!!

InDippers said:

So here we go... i don;t think is that hard the names anymore... hehehe anyways...

two plans left... Nina (Plant 1) and Santa Maria (Plant2)...

These are pictures of 2 mins ago... of mostly Plant 2, but two last pics of Plant 1...

Let me know what you think!!!

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even though the plants are showing pistils(all pics).
they all still look hermie to me.
i dug up some pics for you to look at and see what you think.
if you had a male previously you said you had moved outside then thats not far enought away from female plants as pollen from the male plants(when the pollen sacks open)can travel many miles.
did you remove it from the fems in time(before the male pods opened)?????????.
and did the pollen sacks open within any kind of distance from the fems????.
as soon as you see a male and are 100% sure you should discard it down the toilet(chop it up) or take it at least a mile away from any female plants.
i will get you some info on this shortly.
LUDA.

Sexual Variants in Cannabis
Cannabis has been studied for many years because of its unusual sexuality. Besides the normal dioecious pattern, where each plant bears exclusively male or female flowers, it is not uncommon for some plants to have both male and female flowers. These are called hermaphrodites, or monoecious plants, or intersexes. Hermaphroditic plants form normal flowers of both sexes in a wide variety of arrangements, in both random and uniform distributions.
Natural Hermaphrodites
Some hermaphrodites seem to be genetically determined (protogenous). That is, they naturally form flowers of both sexes given normal growing conditions. Possibly genes carried on the autosomes (the chromosomes other than the sex chromosomes) modify the normal sexual expression. Monoecious varieties have been developed by hemp breeders in order to ensure uniform harvests.
It is also possible that these particular are polyploid, which means they have more than the usual two sets of chromosomes. This kind of hermaphrodite may have XXY (triploid), or XXYY or XXXY (tetraploid) sex chromosomes. However, no naturally occurring polyploids have ever been verified (by observation of the chromosomes) in any population of Cannabis. Polyploids have been induced in Cannabis by using mutagens, such as the alkaloid colchicine.
Whatever then genetic explanation may be, one or more of these natural hermaphrodites may randomly appear in any garden. They are sometimes faster-maturing, have larger leaves, and are larger in overall size than their unisexual siblings. They usually form flowers of both sexes uniformly in time and distribution, and in some unusual patterns. For example, from Mexican seed, we have seen a plant on which separate flowering cluster consisted of both female and male flowers: and upper section of female flowers had upraised stigmas, and a lower section of male flowers dangled beneath the female flowers. In other plants from Mexican seed, the growing tips throughout the plant have female flowers; male flowers sprout from the leaf axils along the main stem and branches. Plants from "Thai" seed sometimes form male and female flowers on separate branches. Branches with female flowers tend to predominate, but branches having mostly male flowers are located throughout the plant.
Sinsemilla
Sinsemilla ((The word "sinsemilla" comes from the Spanish, and means "without seeds." It is also spelled "sansimilla.")) is any marijuana consisting of seedless female flower buds. Sinsemilla is not a variety of marijuana; it is the seedless condition that results when the female flowers are not fertilised with pollen.
In the United States, most sinsemilla comes in the form of Thai sticks that are imported from Southeast Asia and Japan. Thai sticks are made up of seedless buds wrapped around a sliver of bamboo or a long wooden matchstick. The buds, which may be on one or more stems, are secured with a hemp fibre wound around the stick. A growing amount of fine sinsemilla now comes from domestic sources, such as Hawaii and California. The grass is usually boxed or bagged with pure buds that are manicured (extraneous leaf removed). Infrequently sinsemilla comes from Mexico and, rarely, from Colombia.
Sinsemilla has a reputation as high-potency marijuana, with a sweet taste and mild smoke. It doesn't have the harsh, gagging qualities of the usual Colombian and Mexican grasses. These qualities, however, have nothing to do with sinsemilla as such. The potency of any grass depends primarily on the variety and development of the plant, and the taste and mildness of the smoke depend on the condition of the plant when harvested and the cure. Heavily seeded grass can be as mild and sweet-smoking as sinsemilla when it is properly handled.
When buying grass, remember that sinsemilla indicates a conscientious effort on the grower's part to bring you the best possible product. Sinsemilla is almost pure smoking material with no wasted weight in seeds. An ounce of sinsemilla has about twice as much smoking material as a typical seeded ounce. Also, any marijuana that is fresh, with intact buds, indicated less deterioration of cannabinoids.
Sinsemilla is becoming a preferred form of grass with homegrowers, many of whom believe that a seedless female is more potent than a seeded one, reasoning that the plant's energy goes to the production of resin rather than seed. There seem to be no scientific studies on this point. Many experienced growers believe the difference is small, perhaps 10 percent.
From observing the resin glands on the bracts, one sees that they continue to develop in size after pollination. Any difference from the unseeded state is not apparent. Whether pollination does in fact hamper or lessen resin production or potency is questionable. but the effect on the plant as a whole can be dramatic. Usually when the female is well-pollinated, growth noticeably slows, and the plant enters the last phase of life, which is seed set. Seed set is a period of incubation, in which the seeds grow and reach their mature state. New growth forms more slowly and lack the vitality of the bloom before pollination. The plant's reaction to pollination is relative. The more thoroughly pollinated the female is, the more pronounced the change in rhythm from vigorous to incubation. A plant on which only a few flowers have been fertilised continues to actively form flowers as sinsemilla.
Not all plants react alike to pollination. When the weather is good and the plant vigorous, even a well-seeded plant may bloom a second or third time before the rate of growth starts a final decline.
To put this in perspective, the main advantage to growing sinsemilla is that the plant remains in a flowering state for a longer period of time. Flowers may rapidly form for four to ten weeks. The flower buds develop larger and more thickly along the stems, yielding more top-quality grass (more buds) than in the seeded condition.
Anyone can grow sinsemilla. Simply remove the male plants before they release pollen. Given a normal spring planting, males usually flowers in August and September, but may being to flower as early as mid-July. Under artificial lights, males sometimes flower after only three months, and before the grower has shortened the photoperiod. Even though the females are not flowering, remove the males from the room before any flowers open. Indoor, the pollen will collect as dust and can fertilise the females weeks later.
Male flowers mature quickly, in about one to two weeks after the immature buds are first visible. Check each plant about twice a week to make sure you harvest all the males before any shed pollen. If you can't visit your garden consistently, then thin the garden, using the preceding section on "Sexing" as a guide. Even though you may not get all the males, the females will be more lightly seeded. Actually, even in carefully watched gardens, the females may have a few seeds. Pollination may come from on occasional male flower on a basically female plant, or a female may reverse and form male flowers. And pollen may come from a neighbour's garden, a problem that is becoming more common. But in practical terms, an occasional seed makes no difference. The female can form thousands of flowers, and when only a few are pollinated, there is little impact on the plant's growth.

LUDACRIS.

Hey Lud,

Thanks for the info.... i had read most of that info, but the genetics part was interesting.... I do believe that the male was pulleed out with plenty of time... as soon as i saw one ball sack forming it was pulled put.. hopefully fast enough... Th emale is out in the balcony and the growroom in in an enclosed area in a separe room, but just to make sure it is going to the chopping block tomorrow!!!
YOu might have more experience under the belt ad might have a way better eye than myself.... hopefully not both of the are hermies, but if they are i'm pretty much sad!!! hopefully at least one will turn out to give me what i need!!!
Anyways..i will kee my eyes on both of them... anyways.... i don't think that i saw any male pods forming just yet on any one of them so in case that they do i will sure to ask the pertinent questions... so i'll just keep ttrucking for now i guess!!!
LEt me know what i could do for now on!!! i'm getting certified females for my second grow for sure!!! Safe me most of this uncertainty eventhough i know is never 100%..
thanks again for the input...