Questions on edible concentrates

I have some questions as to how i can achieve concentrates that can be ingested orally. I would like to make my edibles with a thc concentrate, except i dont know which and what ones and what circumstances makes it ideal. Basically i would like to know a few things regarding decarboxylation, is it better to decarb the raw grass before you make your concentrate? Or to decarb the final product afterwards? Is the difference negligable? Also, i would like the concentrate to seamlessly integrate with my food. So would a certain method of concentration be better to preserve the original taste of the food? I want there to be a minimal difference in taste between my special brownies and a regular batch. For example, if i produced a qwiso product opposed to a bho product would one affect taste more than the other? This is my first post so i apologize if i messed up a mess of things. The more feedback the better!

Decarboxylated absolute (dewaxed BHO) and its reclaim does not alter the taste of chocolate.
But for pastries such purity may seem redundant.

For baking, I would decarboxylated grass in the oven prior to extraction.
THC extracted easier than THCa, less oil remains in oil cake.

In this case be ready for release of very powerful aromas.
The result will be thick viscous resin dark color and odorless,
it is easy to get mixed to the dough even without dilution with ethanol.

its best to watch it decarb.. double boil extracted hash, that way
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/decarboxylation/
Butane will give highest yield while still being clean..
if done properly no one would know they're special.
I personally love a good hash/coconut oil carrot cake..my fav
But I prefer pills

Good info above! XXV Coconut oil or Grape Seed is best for absorption.

I would ask though is the eatables to be used as a covert way to get medicated or would it be used to battle a serious illness?

Serious illness oils usually contain copious amount of chlorophyll which will effect the taste.

I usually decarb the oil, put back in freezer for a few moments so I can gather the oil easy and put it on bread and make like a bread pill. Then eat the mother fucker. If my brother does the coconut oil with the flowers, we take the oil and drink it with water.

The purpose is recreational, only concerned about a maximum high. With minimal effect on flavour of course.

IsleAuxMorts said:

The purpose is recreational, only concerned about a maximum high. With minimal effect on flavour of course.

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THCA does have to be decarboxylated first, to readily pass the blood brain barrier, but the head effects from oral ingestion are different than those from vaporizing or smoking it.

Decarboxylating also removes most monoterpenes, so the flavors are mostly sesquiterpenes and the diterpene cannabinoids. They are milder and blander, so as to not dominate the medible they are in.

As MP notes, non polar solvent is most effective extracting non polar solutes, so ostensibly decarboxylation before extraction would provide he greatest efficiency, but there is a fly in the ointment from the standpoint that we can't truly know the exact starting state, so decarboxylating using timers only approximate. I prefer to do at least my finish decarboxylation after the oil is extracted and I can watch the CO2 bubbles being generated, to more precisely gauge actual progress.

https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/

will help with recipes

Great info guys!

If you are using dried cured bud/trim for making concentrates and/or edibles with then the decarboxolation has already started as my understanding goes. If you then make a cold processed tincture the decarbing doesn't continue because the extract doesn't go through further heating. But if you are heat purging during your concentrate extraction then the decarb process continues along but may not be at a high enough temp to complete the decarb process completely (my understanding from reading up on it. Please correct me if I got that wrong).

Then when you go further and either make cooking thc butter or thc coconut oil etc..you will be heating up that extract or bud etc with the butter/coconut oil etc so that heat process again is decarbing your product.

Then when you bake the edibles you are again decarbing your product.

From reading dif articles on the process it seems to be a bit of a consensus that around 240F for 60 minutes is a good temp/time to go with for fully decarbing a cold processed extract/tincture.

An article that explained it pretty well: http://www.marijuanagrowershq.com/decarboxylating-cannabis-turning-thca-into-thc/

BCOGYODA said:

Great info guys!

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Now YOU have some good info, answered some questions ive had regarding a full decarb with a cold extract concentrate tincture. Really helps alot man!

Edit: Also, am i safe to assume clarified butter at a low simmer for 45 minutes to one hour is apropriate amount of time for a full decarb? Because it does decarb from the heat correct?

Thanks BCOGYODA! I have been making MCT oil and coconut oil extractions since I don't like to smoke, and though I decarb it in the oven first, the notes I've found on this recommended lower temps and shorter times. Will be doing a batch hopefully next week and will try it at 240F/60 mins before putting it in the crock.

Some people say you don't need to decarb before making cannabutter or oil preparations because they are heated during extraction, but others say you have to decarb first before combining it with the oil. I see no down side to decarbing first just to be sure.

I don't have the links I noted for this, but coconut oil is supposedly the best transport, due to having a high lauric acid content. Extra Virgin Coconut Oil is solid at room temperature, making it handy to replace butter or shortening in recipes. You can also get deodorized coconut oil if you don't like the flavor for some reason.

MCT oil is medium chain triglyceride oil, usually a combination of coconut and palm oil. It's sold by health food outlets for adding to smoothies etc. MCT has a neutral flavor compatible with many foods (unlike olive oil which doesn't work as well in, say, desserts), and remains liquid when cold unlike straight coconut oil. This makes it suitable for salad dressings and most situations where vegetable oil is called for.

I always refrigerate both of these after using them for extractions.


Neither of these oils are good for high heat cooking like frying or sauteing, but both are widely useful in the kitchen for general cooking and baking, sauces, etc.

Right on A9 that's some great info too! Thank you man. I've been making edibles for awhile with thc butter but just recently have been trying different extract types with different coconut products as well. The edibles make me sleep very well and relax my muscles much more than anything else I've tried so far.

Same here, even if I liked smoking I'd probably use edibles more often. It seems like a longer, gentler, more controllable high. I like that I can try a teaspoon of an oil batch when I make it and then I know how much of that batch makes a dose, usually about a teaspoon but sometimes more or less. Then I can gauge how much I need to take the edge off vs. recover from a big day vs. get dead silly.

The coconut oil by itself has a lot of really beneficial properties, including anti-inflammatory.

What I like most about the MCT and coconut oil is that you don't have to fool with straining it while it's still hot like the dairy preps. And you don't have to use it as fast either. Both stay good in the fridge for a long time, longer than you would ever need them to We don't usually have a ton of it around because I don't grow much, so we try to use it lightly and make it last, have never had any go bad on us.

IsleAuxMorts said:

The purpose is recreational, only concerned about a maximum high. With minimal effect on flavour of course.

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IsleAuxMorts said:

Now YOU have some good info, answered some questions ive had regarding a full decarb with a cold extract concentrate tincture. Really helps alot man!

Edit: Also, am i safe to assume clarified butter at a low simmer for 45 minutes to one hour is apropriate amount of time for a full decarb? Because it does decarb from the heat correct?

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Great info all around on all sort of stuff. Super sorry for the rant here but this shit is a passion of mine, lol.

I've been into edibles for a very long time. I'm no concentrate expert or chef, but I am a heavy consumer of concentrates and edibles, and a wanna be chef, lol.

It all depends on what you have and what you wanna make...

I have made tasty bread with trim, shake, and flower, like oz of each that had VERY little plant/weed taste and fucked my world up.

BUT I would highly suggest to concentrate your product in some form, even it it's just keif. If your using good flower maybe just strain it out and wash a few times but other than that its so much easier and better and less guess work to use concentrates. Esp if you know the potency of it, helps with dosing, so I can say, "hey be careful, there is like 5-600mg in that truffle."

I rarely make brownies anymore but they are pretty much the best for covering taste. Some claim bho chocolates have the "best" cover up but I always recognize that flavor. Esp with the concentrations I like in my edibles.

I'd much rather eat a piece of chocolate or what I'm super fucked on right now, the last of some peanut butter truffles I made the other week, Vs say a few slices of banana bread or some brownies.

Which brings me to the thing I actually wanted to bring up, coconut oil, lol. I like to decarb concentrate in it(see link QW posted) and make peanut butter filling and "chocolate" out of it.

The thing is, esp if you use large volumes of concentrate, or even plant material, is you wanna get as much fat involved in the process as possible. Preferably in a way where you don't have to let it soak at low temps for a long time(like to use oz of plant material in a baked goods recipe).

The fat helps you absorb as much as you can. It can even help to eat fatty foods an hour or two before engesting edibles. Also, avoid a lot of water or tea, you will have cotton mouth and I've killed edible highs that way.

I'm really trying to wrap up here but I love this shit, lol. Any oil is easier if your using plant material, esp if your washing. Also coconut oil imo it tastes better than butter or veggie oil in things like brownies or cake or w/e. Plus, the shit I make now is pretty much entirely made of coconut oil and bho with some sugar, peanuts, and coco mixed in, lol.

IsleAuxMorts said:

Now YOU have some good info, answered some questions ive had regarding a full decarb with a cold extract concentrate tincture. Really helps alot man!

Edit: Also, am i safe to assume clarified butter at a low simmer for 45 minutes to one hour is apropriate amount of time for a full decarb? Because it does decarb from the heat correct?

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Here is an excellent time at temperature decarboxylation chart posted by Jump 117 in ICM.

https://www.rollitup.org/concentrates-extracts/768428-how-do-i-make-kief.html#post10007259 <<-- click to read the comments about the origin of the chart.

AlGore said:

I rarely make brownies anymore but they are pretty much the best for covering taste. Some claim bho chocolates have the "best" cover up but I always recognize that flavor. Esp with the concentrations I like in my edibles.

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True. I don't make as many sweets with it anymore because I've been eating and cooking lighter in the past year or so, but you really can't taste it in brownies at all, especially if you add a lot of cinnamon and espresso powder like I do. I'm starting to do more with corn muffins (which I make with added hemp protein powder like most of my baked goods now) and one of my favorite really easy meals is a big box of Zatarain's red beans and rice with cannaoil added. For some reason it works really well and doesn't give us munchies after. Like putting it in curries and stews but since I usually cook big and give some away to family I don't dose those as often (even though my mother in law could really use an attitude adjustment). But anything spicy and savory is a great cover.

All I've done is cannabutter, a fairly lame glycerin extraction (don't know if it's just not a great way to extract or if I did it wrong), and now just the MCT and coconut oil extractions which I like, but obviously that means the foods aren't super-concentrated. In the interest of safety and containing Hobby Creep, I haven't tried to make honey oil but am intrigued Do you just add the BHO to whatever fat is in each recipe? Do you decarb before making the BHO?

AlGore said:

I rarely make brownies anymore but they are pretty much the best for covering taste. Some claim bho chocolates have the "best" cover up but I always recognize that flavor. Esp with the concentrations I like in my edibles.

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Could you recommend a specific concentrate? Bho? Iso? Keif, simply ?
Ive been so torn between them all, my usual recipe involves usually a 1/4 oz of good flowers. And 6-7 grams of collected keif. And i mean it works great, i have no problems with my brownies they always fuck me up. I just cant help but to think they can be optimized haha. It seems the obvious route in that direction is concentrates. Which i do have alot of experience smoking but not alot with cooking. Just looking to expand on my knowledge, haha these forums have been so helpful. Ive had so many longtime questions answered within the last few days even.

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True. I don't make as many sweets with it anymore because I've been eating and cooking lighter in the past year or so, but you really can't taste it in brownies at all, especially if you add a lot of cinnamon and espresso powder like I do. I'm starting to do more with corn muffins (which I make with added hemp protein powder like most of my baked goods now) and one of my favorite really easy meals is a big box of Zatarain's red beans and rice with cannaoil added. For some reason it works really well and doesn't give us munchies after. Like putting it in curries and stews but since I usually cook big and give some away to family I don't dose those as often (even though my mother in law could really use an attitude adjustment). But anything spicy and savory is a great cover.

All I've done is cannabutter, a fairly lame glycerin extraction (don't know if it's just not a great way to extract or if I did it wrong), and now just the MCT and coconut oil extractions which I like, but obviously that means the foods aren't super-concentrated. In the interest of safety and containing Hobby Creep, I haven't tried to make honey oil but am intrigued Do you just add the BHO to whatever fat is in each recipe? Do you decarb before making the BHO?

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Since you mentioned savory and spicey. I love cooking beef with olive oil and butter, one of the only reasons I'll even make cannabutter anymore is to baste with it. Like I'll take some ribeyes, rosemary and garlic, sear in canabis olive oil, then baste with cannabutter the last two min, fucking delicious and gives a nice buzz, hehe.

I used to decarb based on that chart.http://skunkpharmresearch.com/decarboxylation/ "Cooking" bho in 250f coconut oil for 25 min. However it wasn't until doing some more digging, and actually reading that link that I decided to just base it off the bubbles.

I used to get sort of "mixed" highs in my edibles. From very energetic to very stoney to very uncomfortable super cbn effects. Now I'm able to get it more consistent.

IsleAuxMorts said:

Could you recommend a specific concentrate? Bho? Iso? Keif, simply ?
Ive been so torn between them all, my usual recipe involves usually a 1/4 oz of good flowers. And 6-7 grams of collected keif. And i mean it works great, i have no problems with my brownies they always fuck me up. I just cant help but to think they can be optimized haha. It seems the obvious route in that direction is concentrates. Which i do have a lot of experience smoking but not a lot with cooking. Just looking to expand on my knowledge, haha these forums have been so helpful. Ive had so many longtime questions answered within the last few days even.

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I have cooked with keif, bho, co2, and gonna try homemade iso soon. Keif would be the last choice I think being the least pure. It really depends on what you have I suppose. If you have access like in Co, I'd find a shop that blasts shitty trim a buy that bho, its only going in food anyway and you can get lower grade that is still smoke-able(to some) for half the price of the choice bho around town. If your making it yourself and can safely make the safe stuff, then go for it. I only make iso myself, I buy everything else.


On a side note, be careful with dosing, esp if your not used to concentrates. 50mg-100mg in a piece of chocolate can royally fuck up a veteran smoker that isn't used to bho or edibles. People say just do the math but it's a lil more complicated that that, well sort of. I figure that most flower is around 20%, bho somewhere around 70% on average(80-90 on better stuff, no sure on kief, maybe 30-40%?). I give myself even more wiggle room and figure a 3:1 ratio. So say 1g bho = 3g flower. Some people will claim as much as a 10:1 btw, haven't figured out why tho, maybe they mean trim.

My favorite concentrate dish is fresj spinach salad with oiL infused warm bacon dressing.