RDWC with Chiller and Res below the plants Question

cardopusher

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Dear growers,

First of all i want to ask an advice of how to connect the chiller: 1 or 2 from the pic attached?

Second, i am kindly asking you to validate my overall scheme, considering that res and chiller would be at below level. The main idea of this concept is that if pumps stop working water in the buckets would stop overflowing to a return pipe which is placed at the top of the buckets.

Great thanks in advance!
 

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rkymtnman

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i ran my chiller on a closed loop thru a wort chiller (homebrewing supplies) submerged in the control res. just need a small res, a small pump and the benefit is no nutes go thru it so the chiller will stay cleaner much, much longer
 

MrFlatbush

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Since you are willing to place your reservoir below your plants then you might want to consider doing a flood and drain instead. Done properly you won't need a chiller. As an added bonus, you won't have to monitor your pH once you have it dialed in.
 

MrFlatbush

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how is pH not important in F&D? i've never tried it myself
Been running one for 5+ years now. Like many, I used to obsess about pH......and then I started forgetting about it. One day it dawned on me that my plants didn't seem to care. Why? I don't know. If I had to guess it is because the roots don't sit in a bath all day....but that is only a guess.
 

cardopusher

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Since you are willing to place your reservoir below your plants then you might want to consider doing a flood and drain instead. Done properly you won't need a chiller. As an added bonus, you won't have to monitor your pH once you have it dialed in.
Thank you, MrFlatbush for this suggestion. I have quickly checked the scheme attached and found it quite similar to my setup. The only difference i can see it has no return line to close the loop like i'm planning. But I can't still figure out what Brain pot is. Also can you please elaborate more (in case of the scheme attached represents your suggestion correctly) why is no pH control required here and no chiller? Would roots not be rotting in high temperatures?
 

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MrFlatbush

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Thank you, MrFlatbush for this suggestion. I have quickly checked the scheme attached and found it quite similar to my setup. The only difference i can see it has no return line to close the loop like i'm planning. But I can't still figure out what Brain pot is. Also can you please elaborate more (in case of the scheme attached represents your suggestion correctly) why is no pH control required here and no chiller? Would roots not be rotting in high temperatures?

Hi there,

There are many variations of a flood and drain system. In your model you have multiple buckets that periodically fill and then drain back to a reservoir. I have seen people run this version with success.

I run a simpler, more traditional F&D using a flood tray. My plant(s) sit in the flood tray, not connected to anything. The individual pots have holes on the bottom. When the tray fills, each pot fills from the bottom. When the tray empties, the tray drains back to the rez. I'm quite micro and it only takes 2 minutes to fill my flood tray. After 2 minutes the pump turns off and it drains back to the reservoir that sits immediately below. This happens once an hour, 24/7. The external reservoir sits below my cabinet at room temperature, not grow cabinet temperature. I don't use a brain bucket. I try to keep everything as simple as possible.....One flood tray, one rez, one fill line, one drain line, one pump. It is also virtually impossible for my variation to have a leak, which is a plus. I frequently leave my system unattended for 1-2 weeks at a time when I travel. My plants grow the fastest when I am away :)

I am definitely not an expert. I can only comment on what I have tried, what has worked for me, and what has failed for me.

I have never ran a chiller and never had an issue. I also haven't seen any other F&D's run a chiller. Generally the only systems I have seen that chill are ones that are constantly circulating, with submerged roots.

As I mentioned before, I used to obsess over pH and water temps.....until I got lazy and stopped. My plants still rewarded me with bud, so I stopped obessing and never looked back.

So why isn't pH and temperature an issue here? My best guess is that my roots are only sitting in water for 2 minutes every hour. Also, my external rez sits at room temperature and isn't heated by hot lights or a submersible pump running 24/7.

I attached a detailed, AutoCAD schematic of my design.

I hope some of that ramble helps......


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cardopusher

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Thanks for sharing this experience, MrFlatBush. Seems i was just thinking about "systems that are constantly circulating, with submerged roots" from the very beginning but you gave me a plot twist exactly before i got started to build my system from already bought components (pots are cheap so pot configuration changes are not a big problem).

I'll check the flood and drain system, i was just expecting recirculating dwc system with ScrOG to produce the yield faster in my limited "hot balcony wardrobe" setup. :oops: Also, was going towards full automatization (with manual ScrOG placement) with esp8266 so obsession with pH is not an issue.
 
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cardopusher

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i ran my chiller on a closed loop thru a wort chiller (homebrewing supplies) submerged in the control res. just need a small res, a small pump and the benefit is no nutes go thru it so the chiller will stay cleaner much, much longer
Unfortunately, i have already got an external AquaMedic Titan chiller with two 1/2" in-outs... Just not sure about it's internal 1/4 PSI compressor: every aquarium guide says i need an additional intake pump to feed the chiller, but nobody says if the chiller's 1/4 PSI compressor can throw the chilled water out few feet above (4 ft or less for two pots, including horizontal piping in the upper growbox area) to the pots, or do i need a second external outtake pump... Now I think only experiment is the answer here.

And also everyone says it should be connected in line, but im wondering, what if i connect it to the reservoir separately from the main pots circuit, as in my first picture of the post?
 

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rkymtnman

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Unfortunately, i have already got an external AquaMedic Titan chiller with two 1/2" in-outs... Just not sure about it's internal 1/4 PSI compressor: every aquarium guide says i need an additional intake pump to feed the chiller
i don't have a pic but imagine a small submersible water pump in a 5 gallon bucket. it pumps out thru your chiller to this which is submerged in your control reservoir and then back to the 5 gallon bucket:

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infdjedi

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i ran my chiller on a closed loop thru a wort chiller (homebrewing supplies) submerged in the control res. just need a small res, a small pump and the benefit is no nutes go thru it so the chiller will stay cleaner much, much longer
Are you concerned at all that the acid nutrient solution of 5.5 will leach copper into your plants?
 

cardopusher

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i don't have a pic but imagine a small submersible water pump in a 5 gallon bucket. it pumps out thru your chiller to this which is submerged in your control reservoir and then back to the 5 gallon bucket:

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Ok, so you mean to connect the chiller in parallel circuit like i depicted in my 1st picture in the post, but with the submersible pump2. Does it mean you have a separate pump to push the water to plants from res?
 

sativuuh

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I have my chiller in line in the return. 4 site uc rwdc, water is pulled by the pump from the far end of the system. Pump then pushes the water out thru the chiller who's output dumps into the control res to then flow back thru the system again. You always are getting cool water into the start of the system.
 

rkymtnman

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Ok, so you mean to connect the chiller in parallel circuit like i depicted in my 1st picture in the post, but with the submersible pump2. Does it mean you have a separate pump to push the water to plants from res?
the chiller circuit is independent of the rdwc system. all it really does is cool down the control reservoir of the rdwc
 
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