Reasons to Vote yes on Prop 19

So for the most part the only sound argument anyone has made is that they believe more people could get in trouble because of further restrictions on cannabis (however minor they might be).

As I attempted to illustrate - Cannabis will be LEGAL -

There will be a lot less cops thinking like this ...."I smell pot so your going to be searched and you better have a card and be within your limit'.

It will be more like 'I smell pot and they all look like reasonable adults who are excercising their right to smoke pot with no clear sign they are breaking a law so I will let them go on their way...'



There will be no more - Smash and Grab raids on private homes of people suspect of growing marijuana.

There will be no more - Well they are growing pot and who knows if they are within the law so here is our freebie warrant to raid a pot grower.




It will not be the same world we live in today when it comes to the way people and policia look at marijuana. Less people will get in trouble for marijuana plain and simple.

How is it not the truth that it will not stop the number one reason people are going to jail???? I do not understand that.

Not to mention if you really need to grow and smoke... go get a rec as it will offer more freedom.

How is that missinformation?

GanjaAL said:

How is it not the truth that it will not stop the number one reason people are going to jail???? I do not understand that.

Not to mention if you really need to grow and smoke... go get a rec as it will offer more freedom.

How is that missinformation?

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If marijuana is legal less people will go to jail its really plain and simple black and white I wish you would understand that.

If prop 19 made it legal and set a limit of 1 gram - even then less people would go to jail - why? Simple..because of the fact marijuana is now legal....

so why the one ounce limit?

as long as there is ANY type of limit there will be reason to check you. go over this limit and off to jail you go.

so the lazy cops are going to bust out the digis and weigh up everyones bag after spending an hour searching cause they smelled pot which by the way is now legal....riiiiiight....even with a limit marijuana won't have that same stigma it has now, that is the point I am trying to get across here..Chances are if they are weighing up your weed it is likely they already have you on something else, and being legally medically for how long now? I am suprised you don't understand how silly the limits are to begin with in that they are easy manipulated or you can get around them easily....and really why is it you want to carry more then an ounce or whatever limit your county imposes unless your selling or gifting it..in that case make multiple car trips, take more passengers whatever...Really I think this has to do with something more personal with some of you, its not richard lee...its not increased restrictions...I think it is the fact that you must deliver a large quanity of marijuana on a normal basis and that is what has you worried. If you got more than an ounce put it in the fuse box under your hood or something I mean common we all know this stuff. Legal Marijuana = More protection - Not less protection ...and that is where your head is all twisted on this....

There is not going to be some magic legalize marijuana bill that doesnt have any rules or even one that has rules which are much more reasonable than the ones in prop 19, it just won't pass.

Dan Kone said:

You asked me to prove it was illegal, then admitted it was illegal in the very next sentence! Why would I prove something to you after you just admitted you already knew it was illegal?

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I never said consumption is illegal. You did. I asked you to prove it is. I know better than to make such a statement since I've been involved in a number of cases involving that very point. But, that's OK. I haven't expected your reading comprehension to get any better the more you post.

Dan Kone said:

On the other hand there is absolutely nothing in prop 19 that prohibits you, me, or anyone else from opening a cannabis related business and competing in the free market. To say otherwise is just a pack of lies. You know it, I know it.

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I know that you keep ignoring the context of what's being said. You should go work for the Department of Agriculture. They're good at thinking and acting short-term on cut and paste information. There's nothing in the Twenty-First Amendment that specifically restricts or stops small-medium alcohol entities from competing with large national conglomerates, either. But what there is in Section 2 of the Amendment is the granting of broad discretionary powers granted to the states to establish regulation as they see fit. But, continue to ignore history... or hope that others ignore history. Which ever your purpose here.

Dan Kone said:

I've prop 19 is so bad, you should be able to prove that by sticking to the truth. Yet your side continues to spread misinformation to make your point. You guys are sounding worse that the big businesses you claim to be raging against.

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Yes, yes... big bad opposition to Prop 19. We're so mean and nasty and selfish and greedy. Oh dear... what to do? This "pot calling the kettle black" thing is seriously getting old. I've presented facts. I've posted the link to California NORML's current run down of California Marijuana Law which includes excellent information on any adult user's rights as a citizen. I've presented information about legislation currently before the State Assembly that reduces possession of an ounce or less to an infraction. You keep proclaiming that we haven't made any progress and I counter with plenty of history that says your wrong. Prop 215 was a great victory, not just for people with dire need, but for all of us. If cannabis enriches your life in any way, you can get a doctor to issue a recommendation. It's not just for "sick" people... it's for anyone who derives benefit. Prop 36 was a great victory allowing for diversion of non-violent possession away from jail time and even allowing for the charges against them to be dropped. But you claim we've been waiting for 80 years with no progress. If anyone needs to stop with the misinformation and lies here, it's you, mate. I might sound worse than the big businesses I despise so much, but you're sounding just like them.

deprave said:

If marijuana is legal less people will go to jail its really plain and simple black and white I wish you would understand that.

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Nothing in law is ever black and white. Anyone who's been to court or had to fight a battle over cannabis knows this.

TokinPodPilot said:

Nothing in law is ever black and white. Anyone who's been to court or had to fight a battle over cannabis knows this.

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Your right about that.....but somehow it got twisted in your head that legalizing marijuana is going to put more people in jail which is an absolutely ridiculous thought if you think about it. We don't live in a courtroom ya know

deprave said:

Your right about that.....but somehow it got twisted in your head that legalizing marijuana is going to put more people in jail which is an absolutely ridiculous thought if you think about it. We don't live in a courtroom ya know

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Maybe from your point of view. As someone who's been to court, fought for decriminalization for the last 20 years and helped others realize their own rights and live free, I see things differently. I've seen first-hand how the word of ambiguous law is twisted and used to try and ensnare people. You don't have to live in a court room to have the court room question how you live.

BTW, the passive aggressive slights don't make you proponents look good.

deprave said:

so the lazy cops are going to bust out the digis and weigh up everyones bag after spending an hour searching cause they smelled pot which by the way is now legal....riiiiiight....even with a limit marijuana won't have that same stigma it has now, that is the point I am trying to get across here..Chances are if they are weighing up your weed it is likely they already have you on something else, and being legally medically for how long now? I am suprised you don't understand how silly the limits are to begin with in that they are easy manipulated or you can get around them easily....and really why is it you want to carry more then an ounce or whatever limit your county imposes unless your selling or gifting it..in that case make multiple car trips, take more passengers whatever...Really I think this has to do with something more personal with some of you, its not richard lee...its not increased restrictions...I think it is the fact that you must deliver a large quanity of marijuana on a normal basis and that is what has you worried. If you got more than an ounce put it in the fuse box under your hood or something I mean common we all know this stuff. Legal Marijuana = More protection - Not less protection ...and that is where your head is all twisted on this....

There is not going to be some magic legalize marijuana bill that doesnt have any rules or even one that has rules which are much more reasonable than the ones in prop 19, it just won't pass.

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who are you talking to?

[video=youtube;yOEgjkfuMOg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOEgjkfuMOg&feature=fvst[/video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOEgjkfuMOg&feature=fvst

To funny... however taxation is not legalization!

GanjaAL said:

To funny... however taxation is not legalization!

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Correct, but legalization is legalization.

This law allows everyone to grow and posses a small amount of cannabis to get started. It also allows us to petition our cities and counties to increase that limit. There is no upper limit on how high counties and cities can increase those limits.

It opens the door to legalization in every county and city in California. That isn't a good thing?

[video=youtube;iQ3sB09LcLI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ3sB09LcLI[/video]

Do you really think the prohibitionists are going to allow for increases??? This prop19 gives them alll the power... even to ban it in a city near you.

GanjaAL said:

Do you really think the prohibitionists are going to allow for increases??? This prop19 gives them alll the power... even to ban it in a city near you.

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half SoCal hates pot already. the cities and counties down there are already fighting tooth and nail to STOP medical pot. i don't know why people think passing 19 will change any of that.

silly rabbits.

GanjaAL said:

Do you really think the prohibitionists are going to allow for increases??? This prop19 gives them alll the power... even to ban it in a city near you.

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Show me where prop 19 gives cities and counties the power to ban cannabis use.

As things stand right now, the Government has ALL of the Control. Its Called Schedule 1 SUBSTANCE...meaning We have no say, no choice, no rights no nothing. You get caught...It is what it is! However, With Prop 19 WE HAVE A SAY NOW...We remove it from Prohibition( tell me where we have a say in prohibition) WE THEN HAVE A VOICE, a say. We can make amendments, we can change things...But as things stand Now....we have no control, none, ziltch...nada Sure medical marijuana now has a voice...but its still self defeating having the Plant in Prohibition and scheduled as a Schedule 1 substance...So ....perhaps you can see outside the illusion that prop 19 gives them all the power...they already got it all

PS---NOWHERE IN PROP 19 is there ANYTHING in regards to local cities and counties having discreational power to ban whatever. NOWHERES...in the words of FDD "silly rabbits" please stop spreading false propaganda...just cause the government does it, doesnt mean we should

I AM THE POTOLOGIST AND I APPROVE PROP 19!!! VOTE YES IN NOVEMBER

Peace, Love, and Happiness

TokinPodPilot said:

Adding the label "conspiracy theories" doesn't validate your points. Prop 19 adds restrictions to personal consumption and personal cultivation that do not exist on the books now.

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Are you saying anyone can cultivate now? I think some growers are upset the price could come down and weaken their source of income. California leads the way, and I hope this passes. I live in a state that an ioz can get you a year or more in jail, depending on police record. Californians should consider themselves very lucky to be able to vote for this.

You speak as if everyone is carrying around pounds bro..... Only the growers and dealers are.... This law is the next best thing for casual users. It is not meant to legalize a grow house. I'd be thrilled to grow in a 5' x 5' and be within the law.

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