reducing heat

growindoobies

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i need help reducing heat so anyone who has encountered and solved a problem similar to mine with high heat please i intend to spend a bit of cash so i need lots of input. thanks heres setup details:

1000w hps batwing reflector
4x6 foot room 8 foot high
light hung 6.5 feet from floor

10 inch exhaust with 20 foot exhaust tube mabye 200 cfm honeywell home fan 10 inch round jury rigged into the tube hanging about the same height as the light

4 inch square coaxial fan rigged in the end of 4 inch duct intake an bottom corner of the room.

i have a thermometer hung at about three foot where the top of the females are and before i hung the 10 inch exhaust it read 41 degrees celcius after the fan was put in with the room door open a few inches it reads 28-30 which im fine with they flower good enough but when i go to bed i gotta close that door so just the fans and ductwork and it goes to 32-34 which im not happy with cause i wanna lower the light a bit but is still way too hot for my liking cause i gotta think about summer im in a cold climate right now.

they are flowering fat but i know its still too hot so any suggestions would be fantastic.
 
they are flowering fat but i know its still too hot so any suggestions would be fantastic.

You need a decent inline fan capable of shifting a decent amount of air. As a guide, you should be exchanging the cubic capacity of your grow room every 3 minutes. So, for a room of 192 cubic feet (4x8x6) you need a fan capable of moving 192 x 20 (60/3) = 3,840 cubic feet per hour or 64 cfm. You need to allow for inefficiencies in the air flow through ducting so add about 50% to that to make a minimum airflow of 96cfm. Any inline fan capable of shifting between 100-150cfm should do the trick for that space. You don't need 10 inch ducting a 4 or 5 inch duct should be big enough. You'd only need a passive intake for that system and a general rule of thumb is 5 x the exhaust size, so 5 x 4 inch or 5 inch diameter holes should flow enough air in.

Position the exhaust at the top of the room and the intakes at the bottom, so you're exhausting hot stale air and intaking cooler fresh air at the bottom, this system should be enough to cool your room down. Err on the side of a larger cfm fan rather than smaller one and get a fan speed controller to accurately control the flow rate of the fan to keep the temperature optimum, or you could install a thermostat and/or humidistat to automate the control of temperature and humidity.
 
air cooled hoods? and also how do you have so many holes and no light to get in? thats been my one and only massive problem how do you have so many holes and no light?
 
Contributed by: Smokey D Dope

How do I add ventilation to my grow area?
There are a couple of considerations to observe when planning your ventilation, they’re pretty simple concepts; but they are often overlooked.

· First, remember that warmer air will naturally rise to the top of any container, and that cooler air will naturally settle towards the bottom.
· Also remember that when ventilating any space, the volume (VOLUME, in cubic feet or cubic meters... [L x W x H]) of air that goes IN, also has to come OUT.
· You can’t expect to ventilate a grow space by simply forcing air in, and not providing an exhaust vent.

Since the object is to remove as much warm air as possible, and replace it with cooler air, it will be most efficient to place the exhaust as close to the top of the space as possible, and place the intake as close to the bottom as possible.


Should I place the fan in the exhaust, intake or both?
The fan should be placed in the exhaust, and the intake should be a simple hole (or light trap, if light getting out is a concern).
This type of system is known as an Active Exhaust, Passive Intake System.
Mounting the fan in the exhaust, sucking air out of the room accomplishes a couple of things...

· Since the exhaust is at the top of the area, the fan will suck the hottest air out of the area first.
· The fan is actually lowering the air pressure inside the area. Any incidental pinholes or leaky seams will simply draw air in. If the fan were blowing IN, those pinholes and leaks would allow potentially smelly air OUT.


How big should the passive intake be?
It should be slightly larger than the exhaust. Remember, the volume of air being blown out, will be replaced through the intake. Using a bigger intake hole allows the incoming air to be at a lower velocity (speed), which minimizes mixing up of the air in the area. It will also allow the fan to operate more efficiently.


How big should the fan be?
Fans are rated in either cubic feet (CFM) or cubic meters per minute in North America. In Eurpose, metric fans are rated in m3/hr - cubic metres per hour (m3/hr).

That means a 70CFM fan will move 70 cubic feet of air in one minute.
Your fan should be big enough to move the volume of your area 2 to 3 times every minute. A 70 CFM fan would be adequate for a 35 cubic foot area, and would be optimal for roughly a 23 cubic foot area.

· To figure your area’s cubic volume, multiply (in feet) the length by the width by the height.


What if I have more than one fan? Should I use one to blow air in and one to suck air out?
Not if the object is to provide as much ventilation and cooling as possible.

· If you have two 3-inch diameter fans, and you mount one in the intake, and one in the exhaust, you have a total intake area of one 3-inch hole and a total exhaust area of one 3-inch hole.
· If you use both fans as exhausts, you have TWO 3-inch exhausts and two 3-inch intakes (actually, two 3.3 inch intakes. They should be bigger than the exhausts, remember?).
· Twice as many holes, twice as much airflow.


Enhanced Blower Mods

Timer Options

If you find that the "Lights off" temps are lower than you'd prefer, you can simply run the fan from the same timer as the light by using a multi outlet power strip connected to the timer. Plug the lights and the fan into the power strip, and the fan will turn on/off with the lights. If you're using more than one fan, you could connect some or all of them, remembering that the more fans you have running, the lower the temps will be.
* SAFETY NOTE: The timer must be able to handle the additional electrical load, or an additional timer must be used. SAFTEY FIRST.

Sound Suppression
Making the ventilation system quieter can be an important consideration, and it's important to remember that the air moving through the intakes and exhausts make noise, as well as the fan itself. Some of the fan noise from vibration can be overcome by mounting the fan in a non-rigid manner. The fans can me mounted using rubber grommets to help dampen the vibration. Self-adhesive foam rubber window insulation can also be used. In some installations, it can be mounted by threading a bungee cord through each mounting hole, then attaching the other ends of the bungee cord to the exhaust hole.

· Generally, air moving through ductwork or tubing can become noisy, particularly if the air has to move at a higher velocity. More, larger diameter intakes and vent tubes will generally be quieter than fewer, smaller diameter intakes and vents. The fans also don't have to work quite as hard.
· Finally, although popular and easy to use, flexible "Accordion" type hose, commonly used to connect clothes dryers to external vents are not always the best choice, as they cause a great deal of drag, (making the fans work harder) and generally air flowing through them is noisier than smoother ductwork.

Filtering\Odor Control
Connecting a Carbon scrubber is a good method of controlling the odor that can be a dead giveaway to an otherwise stealthy installation. A carbon scrubber is simply an expansion chamber (box) into which the smelly air from a flower chamber is pumped. The chamber has a large exhaust vent, which is covered by an activated carbon air filter. The chamber must be big enough to provide a damping effect of the incoming air. If too small a scrubber is used, the fan will not be capable of pushing air through the filter. Here, you actually want the exhaust vent to be considerably bigger than the intake.

· There are also several DIY Odor killers available, which work to varying degrees to provide an "Odor Cover-up."
· Remember, the term "Low Odor Strain" is relative.
· Even the low odor strains generally still stink pretty badly near the end of flowering.
 
Contributed by: ncg7579
submitted: 5-29-2003
Images archived 2003

How can I improve the air flow in air cooled light hoods?
Like many of you, I use Hydrofarm hoods for my lights. I also air cool them using the 4" adapters sold by most hydro shops. Now, one thing you'll notice when attaching those adapters is the "grating" over the location where the adapter goes. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that those slats are going to impede air flow. So let's remove them and give a real boost to our air flow.
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Step 1. Take down the light/hood and remove the bulb.

Remove the mogul socket by removing the two screws.

Remove the 4" duct adapter.








Step 2. Cut out vent, using a Dremel, Zip, or similar tool. Repeat for inlet vent.
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Safety Note: Be smart, use safety glasses and don't do this stoned.
Step 3. Reassemble your hood (mogul, adapters, etc).

Optional insulation:
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I use some of that bubble attic insulation (or hot water tank insulation - similar to foylon) you find at most home improvement stores to make an "insulating blanket" for my hoods - every little bit helps.









Building a DIY high output air-cooled canopy.
Contributed by: MoS
submitted: 23-07-2003
 
air cooled hoods? and also how do you have so many holes and no light to get in? thats been my one and only massive problem how do you have so many holes and no light?

An air cooled hood is basically a standard reflector with a 4 inch vent hole at one end and a 4 inch vent hole at the other with heat resistant glass sitting underneath the lamp. To one vent hole you attach a 4 inch inline fan and to the other exhaust trunking, cool air is sucked past the bulb cooling it down and allowing it to be lowered closer to the plants.

To light proof venting holes you create light baffles. These can be as simple as a 45 degree turn in a length of pipe or ducting attached to the hole, the air travels around the 45 bend whilst being sucked in, but light doesn't travel round corners, so air gets in but light doesn't get out.
 
will an air cooled hood reduce temps to what im looking for? thanks for the info mogie what if i dont have cool air to really cool with? the room is kinda wired through another gro room and i dont have too much cool air. is an air cooled hood a better option than just venting? i could probably rig a few more 4 inch ducts into the room but i dont want to have to cut to many holes into the walls. thanks
 
I think your problem is the 10 inch ducting that is 20 feet long. Your 200 cfm fan is fine, but maybe not enough for that long a push. Does the fan require a 10 inch duct? Maybe change out for 4- or 6-inch ducting and use a reducer.

HTH :mrgreen:
 
its just a 10 inch round fan similar to a house fan or it actually is a house fan with duct snug around it. do hoods work better than just exhausting?
 
i want to buy a fan but i dont know what type to buy due to lack of knoledge on better cooling practaces. cause if im gonna be better off with the colled hood than im gonna buy an axc inline fan i think it is. first but if im not gonna get a hood than there are more options for fans that might be easier and cheaper.
 
dude, I bought a peice of sheet metal, 2 inline duct fans, a couple of duct flanges, flex tubing and polycarbonate plexi glass and made my own inline cooled hood, it seems to be working out well. Its just a square box that the light fights in, then there is an intake and exhaust in the top powered by 4" inline duct fans. then you slide the polycarbonate plexiglass in and turn the fans on, it seems to keep the light cool....

I haven't started to grow yet, as I am just finishing construction.....check out my thread....https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/5559-metal-storage-cabinet-grow-cabinet.html
 
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