Religion Has Done More Bad Than Good

fish601

fish601

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phatlip said:
Ok so u just have no idea what u are talking about... ok so they dont use carbon dating for dinosaurs because it only works up to 60,000 years... so right there that tells us dinosaurs are def older than 60,000 years old... they would use other methods like potassium-argon dating... and Carbon-14 dating is a proven scientific method... unlike u religious folks whose only "proof" of god is... oh wait there is no proof, you got have "Faith"... i will take fact over faith any day of the week. before u go on blabbing like ur some sort of theological scientist or some shit cuz u dont even know what carbon dating really is... and u honeslty think it would be easier to kill a pack of raptors or a 35 foot tall tyrannasaurus with a long stick... dinosaurs lived 65 million years ago and to think otherwise is absolutely proposterous!

please explain to me how god just plopped everything onto the earth! oh wait i know ur answer "faith"

and as far as ur people being good and bad speeech, evil is taught! no person is born evil.

many people in here need to look up the difference between religion and philosophy... example/ Christianity, catholics, scientoligists, etc.. are religions... buddhism, confushism, are philosphies... read up on it
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There are literally hundreds of dating tools. However, whatever dating method one uses, assumptions must be made about the past. Not one dating method man devises is absolute!http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1866.asp


Different dating methods often give quite different results.
If this was a reliable means of determining ages, then they should all agree.
In Australia some wood was found that had been buried in a lava flow which had formed into basalt.
The wood was “dated” by radiocarbon (carbon 14) analysis at about 45,000 years old.
But the basalt was “dated” by potassium-argon method at 45 million years old! [8]
A sample of wood dated 33,720 years old (+ or - 430 yrs) by the carbon 14 method was found in “middle Triassic” rock dated at 230 million years old! http://www.seeking-god.co.uk/fossil_dating_2.html

Charles Darwin had concern about his theory of natural selection. He knew that a failure to find the missing transitional links would seriously cripple his theory of evolution, but he was hopeful the missing links would be found some day. Well, guess what. He died not finding them. Evolutionists have never found the missing links. Each time they announce finding one it is later proven to be false. http://www.biblelife.org/evolution.htm









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dpjones

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Fish you really need to stop talking about complicated scientific theories which you do not understand and the only research you have done is from that website answersingenesis.

The other info you are referring to is from Christian websites and to be honest I question the reliability of that info. You should as well if you want to be taken seriously.

Just skimming over that page you linked I can see that every argument you have used is written almost word for word there. Stop reading and think for yourself.

Or go look on wikipedia. I reckon that's one of the most impartial websites on the internet.

Btw wasn't the Bible written, and I mean that literally, by man. As in a man's hand was used to write down the words? Where the words came from being not the point in this question.
 
fish601

fish601

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dpjones said:
Fish you really need to stop talking about complicated scientific theories which you do not understand and the only research you have done is from that website answersingenesis.

The other info you are referring to is from Christian websites and to be honest I question the reliability of that info. You should as well if you want to be taken seriously.

Just skimming over that page you linked I can see that every argument you have used is written almost word for word there. Stop reading and think for yourself.

Or go look on wikipedia. I reckon that's one of the most impartial websites on the internet.

Btw wasn't the Bible written, and I mean that literally, by man. As in a man's hand was used to write down the words? Where the words came from being not the point in this question.
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i have heard alot of debates on that subject, its not like i just believe it because that guy said it altho your right i dont fully understand it and i did copy and paste it i have heard great arguments from both sides
 
FrontaLobotomy

FrontaLobotomy

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I don't think it's being religious that has done more bad than good. It's just easy to use religion as an excuse to justify doing bad things, as history proves. The whole thing is still a grey area, as there are just so many factors. Not just the philosophical ones that are easy to come up with either. I personally think organised religion, and the belief systems they preach hold back our progression as a society, but that isn't to say that it hasn't been significant up until the last two centuries or so. Without the publication of the King James Bible in the 1600s, for instance, the whole concept of mass produced literature may never have happened. While what was inside of that bible is archaic nonsense, it still was hugely significant in both our history and our future. Books are important. And that was just one of the many many factors. It's too easy to argue religion, everyone manages to be both right and wrong at the same time, which in it self breeds conflict and perpetuates the cycle.
 
phatlip

phatlip

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Dude fish u just straight up do niot understand carbon dating... Let me explain it as simple as i possibly can... ok so we know that we are all carbon based life forms right? we agree on that at least... we know that carbon 14 has a half life of just over 5700 years... now after that time Half of half of Carbon 14 is now the isotope Carbon 13... now this process continues until there is not a whole lot of any carbon 14 left and it cant be used to date, anything over 60,000 years. now dont get me wrong there are outside variables that can play a role in the date but when they are discovered they either work around it or use anothyer method of dating... remeber carbon 14 dating can only be used on carbon based life forms, not rocks and shit. And Carbon dating is an excepted scientific practice just like gravity... so if u beleive in gravity why dont u beleive in other science, do u get to pick and choose what u beleive... Why doesnt the bible say anything about what keeps us from floating around our planet like the moon? Why? U do beleive in gravity right? Do u beleive in gravity? do u beleive in gravity? do u beleive in gravity? i really want u to answerr that question... i have asked it like 3 times
 
fish601

fish601

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phatlip said:
Dude fish u just straight up do niot understand carbon dating... Let me explain it as simple as i possibly can... ok so we know that we are all carbon based life forms right? we agree on that at least... we know that carbon 14 has a half life of just over 5700 years... now after that time Half of half of Carbon 14 is now the isotope Carbon 13... now this process continues until there is not a whole lot of any carbon 14 left and it cant be used to date, anything over 60,000 years. now dont get me wrong there are outside variables that can play a role in the date but when they are discovered they either work around it or use anothyer method of dating... remeber carbon 14 dating can only be used on carbon based life forms, not rocks and shit. And Carbon dating is an excepted scientific practice just like gravity... so if u beleive in gravity why dont u beleive in other science, do u get to pick and choose what u beleive... Why doesnt the bible say anything about what keeps us from floating around our planet like the moon? Why? U do beleive in gravity right? Do u beleive in gravity? do u beleive in gravity? do u beleive in gravity? i really want u to answerr that question... i have asked it like 3 times
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they assume that halflife has allways been just over 5700 years.. if i have a 1 gallon bucket and let water drip in it i can caculate how long it will take to fill the bucket up but if for some reason i turn the water up just for a few seconds it will drastically change the time it takes to fill up... is it possable halflife has changed in the last umpteen billion years?
 
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dpjones

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Also don't Christians make an assumption that Christianity is the truth based on what they are told and read? Because there is no material proof that God is real. Thus faith.
 
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dpjones

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fish601 said:
could say the same thing about atheist
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Yeah but you are using that argument to say that carbon dating etc is not true. Aren't you kinda contradicting yourself?

I don't really know enough about the Quran to comment, but I don't think there is a god at all. Or if there is he ain't bothered with what we do.
 
grape swisha

grape swisha

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fish601 said:
could say the same thing about atheist
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how is that when they believe in science which actually has material and proof to back it up.. with christianity there is nothing but the bible which has been and can be interpreted in different ways. and there is no evidence behind the bible to prove anything about how shit was created.
 
fish601

fish601

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grape swisha said:
how is that when they believe in science which actually has material and proof to back it up.. with christianity there is nothing but the bible which has been and can be interpreted in different ways. and there is no evidence behind the bible to prove anything about how shit was created.
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nothing but the bible? prove it wrong



  1. The Bible is 98% textually pure. Through all the copying of the Biblical manuscripts of the entire Bible, only 1% has any question about it. Nothing in all of the ancient writings of the entire world approaches the accuracy of the biblical documents.
  2. The 1 percent that is in question does not affect doctrine. The areas of interest are called variants and they consist mainly in variations of wording and spelling.
  3. The NT has over 5000 supporting Greek manuscripts existing today with another 20,000 manuscripts in other languages. Some of the manuscript evidence dates to within 100 years of the original writing. There is less than a 1% textual variation in the NT manuscripts.
  4. Some of the supporting manuscripts of the NT are:
  5. John Rylands MS written around 130 A.D., the oldest existing fragment of the gospel of John.
  6. Bodmer Papyrus II (150-200 A.D.)
  7. Chester Beatty Papyri (200 A.D.) contains major portions of the NT.
  8. Codex Vaticanus (325-350 A.D.) contains nearly all the Bible.
  9. Codex Sinaiticus (350 A.D.) contains almost all the NT and over half of the OT.
 
GratefulDance

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Not all religion is bad. Religion is just us trying to get a grip on reality. Most religion these days is out-dated and misguided I think though. I'm not a fan of any mono-theistic relgision.
 
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