grape swisha
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feeding the hungry children is a way to spread the religion.
Religion Has Done More Bad Than Good
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CrackerJax
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Yes, the church uses butter instead of guns now.....different methodology for a different time. The goal is still the same... to spread the cult and set up the coffers. Religion no doubt is a comfort to some, but the price is far too high.
sandmonkey
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cbtwohundread
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no,.,.,.but evil man has done more bad then go0d,government has done more bad than go0d,science has done more bad than go0d,systems have done more bad than go0d,lies have done more bad than go0d,greed has also done the same,until we change our habits and cleanse our minds of illusion we will do more bad then go0d
Are you mocking someone with 'go0d' or is that just a ocd thing?
CrackerJax
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Biting my tongue!!!!
GeeHaych
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Originally Posted by CrackerJax
Are you even being serious?
Let's see, first the church goes in with the European powers and strips the third world of assets and wealth, then feeds the following swells of the poor.
Hey that's friggin fantastic!!! Take a bow!!!
Guess who turned it into the third world....
Way to miss the point
Who feeds more hungry children each year than any other organization?
I think the focus of this thread is going slightly off topic, understandable this is a very complex subject-
Imo however, feeding hungry children is great I'm glad the catholic church is being productive with (to my knowledge) the large amount of money it has-
Regardless, when religion is involved in the political realm major problems arise-
If politicians and world leaders could set their personal beliefs aside, work together for the betterment of humanity the world would be a much better place- (I think this would also allow more clearity of voting, less for some politicians to hide behind)
What people wish to do in their private lives, as long as it is not harming others is no problem by me-
Therefore, As long as religion is allowed in political arena's and ideals, I would have to say that Imo yes religion is in this day and in the past (documented history) causing more harm then it is good-
I would love to see a large scale seperation of "Church and State"
grape swisha
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geehaych made a good point
CrackerJax
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Sure did and points out the hypocrisy of the Church who WALLOWS in EVERYONE'S politics.
I have said that repeatedly....I have no problems with religions which keep to themselves.
I have said that repeatedly....I have no problems with religions which keep to themselves.
phatlip
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I feel that many of the most horrible things in the history of mankind has been done in the name of religion. I think the reason is, for instance, people take the stories in the bible way too literally. The bible is a book with stories that help people live their lives better, The message of the bible is fantastic if used for its ideas, not to be taken literally. I also feel that religion gives people the oportunity to place all blame, good or bad, on something other than themselves. For isnatnce, When a drunk driver kills a family, its the devil or "gods will." WRONG! Some ass hole made a desicion to get hammered and drive, THAT IS IT!
Going back to Taking the bible to literally... Think about this... A man comes across a burning bush, and "talks to god"... Wouldnt it make sense that the plant was marijuana, the dude got stoned and had some minor hallucinations... How would this have been described back then? Science? There was no science! the only option for that time would have been a higher power or god... Really think about that!
Remember, religion isnt always a bad thing. if used to live your life in a better way, like using the bible as a guide and a book of life lessons, that ALL!!
The Fact of the Matter is, humans need a guide! people are afraid to make their own desicions
YOU'RE NOT TRULY FREE UNTIL YOUR FREE OF RELIGION!!
Going back to Taking the bible to literally... Think about this... A man comes across a burning bush, and "talks to god"... Wouldnt it make sense that the plant was marijuana, the dude got stoned and had some minor hallucinations... How would this have been described back then? Science? There was no science! the only option for that time would have been a higher power or god... Really think about that!
Remember, religion isnt always a bad thing. if used to live your life in a better way, like using the bible as a guide and a book of life lessons, that ALL!!
The Fact of the Matter is, humans need a guide! people are afraid to make their own desicions
YOU'RE NOT TRULY FREE UNTIL YOUR FREE OF RELIGION!!
grape swisha
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thats what my thoughts are
CrackerJax
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Historically, tons of folks walked around back then with Vitamin B deficiencies, which can cause hallucinations.
Hallucinations were COMMON back then, and without science to define what it was.... mysticism was the accepted answer. Totally incorrect but it was all they had to go on.
Either way, all of the stories have been highly edited and compiled by the very ppl who profit by it, so how can it be trusted? It cannot.
Hallucinations were COMMON back then, and without science to define what it was.... mysticism was the accepted answer. Totally incorrect but it was all they had to go on.
Either way, all of the stories have been highly edited and compiled by the very ppl who profit by it, so how can it be trusted? It cannot.
CrackerJax
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Religion does bring hope. A FALSE hope however. I've said this before and am quite aware of how primitive we still are as a species despite the technological prowess. Why does religion still exist? Because man wants it to. Man needs the comfort. That doesn't make religion correct nor does it make religion the best choice.
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Judging someone else's religion, or attacking religion in general, is a form of bigotry every bit as bad as racism.
You sir are incorrect. Taken from wikipedia:
"A bigot is a person who is obstinately and irrationally, often intolerantly, devoted to his or her own religion, political party, organization, belief, or opinion, especially one who regards or treats those of differing devotion with hatred and intolerance.[1] Bigotry is the corresponding mindset or action.
The term bigot is often misused to pejoratively label those who merely oppose or disagree with the devotion of another. The correct use of the term, however, requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animus toward those of differing devotion."
The key word is irrationality. Here we are doing nothing of the such and are discussing it in a civil and very rational manner.
You have just attached a personal meaning to the word bigotry, that of hate or as you said racism.
Since you made such statement would i be correct in guessing that you yourself are religious in one form of another. And are seeing this thread as a personal attack on yourself and have come running to your religions defence?
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In fact, I am totally non-religious, but I know a bigot when I see one and you're a bigot. As for irrational - attempting to discuss religion without doing it from all points of view is just that. More like uneducated and sophomoric. When this thread gets around to Kierkegaard and Sartre in its "rational" discussion of religion I'll take notice.
Well now you have just insulted me. Congratulations.
What would we have to discuss to look at all points of view? Its true we have mainly focused on Christianity but that should not matter to much in regards to the topic at hand.
And why must we discuss famous philosophers to make our discussions valid?
I was not aware one must have a degree in philosophy and an in depth knowledge of all the previous philosophers and arguments to be allowed to discuss these things.
I must also add that you are not required to take notice of this thread.
CrackerJax
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This is what debates of religion always end up as.... if you debate it well on the "other side" (logic and historical perspective), someone always cries foul.
If religion cannot be disseminated to address the errors, we get back to a standstill where ppl don't like to have beliefs actually examined. This is precisely what is wrong with Religion. if religion had its way, any scientific discovery would have been squashed and technological advancements would have slowed to a crawl. the church would in the end be not too different from the modern day islamic Mullahs, who are about 500 years behind us in modern thought and acceptance. the church accepts it ONLY because it has to. Don't think the church hasn't fought tooth and nail in the past to have science repressed. religion is for the lazy minded.
If religion cannot be disseminated to address the errors, we get back to a standstill where ppl don't like to have beliefs actually examined. This is precisely what is wrong with Religion. if religion had its way, any scientific discovery would have been squashed and technological advancements would have slowed to a crawl. the church would in the end be not too different from the modern day islamic Mullahs, who are about 500 years behind us in modern thought and acceptance. the church accepts it ONLY because it has to. Don't think the church hasn't fought tooth and nail in the past to have science repressed. religion is for the lazy minded.