Removing all leaves 1 week before buds are done???

HomeGrown420baby · Apr 2, 2009

shut up brick top u just get all ur info from the web i've seen everything u post its online..i work at a cannabis club and had to watch videos about thc sooo for all u haters that think u know everything i bet u didnt know that resin glands have magnifying balls on the tips that directs light to the buds to make thc..look it up

CrackerJax · Apr 2, 2009

Look it up...on the web? :lol:

lawdy.

out. :blsmoke:

ClosetKing · Apr 2, 2009

female 'buds' are really just looking to get impregnated with male pollen, the thc is used to make male pollen stick to the female buds. hence 'sensimilla' and thc also protects the plant from the environment, such as uvb/low humidity. female buds get swell as they age because they wish to get knocked up by some pollen.

yep, the females get swollen and juicy when theyre lookin for the guys. gotta love em

HomeGrown420baby · Apr 3, 2009

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif] Cutting away the fan leaves may cause bud growth to stunt, resulting in a smaller harvest. The only time to remove fan leaves is when a plant is either dying, badly burnt or the fan leaf is covering a large bud mass. Light is probably the most important factor in bud development and if the fan leaf is preventing light from reaching a bud you will want to remove or tie it back. Refer to the ScrOG section in Chapter 8 for information on clipping fan leaves.>>>>>>and check this video out on uvb hitting ur buds to make thc levels higher>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPcpt3Be28o
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Brick Top · Apr 3, 2009

HomeGrown420baby said:
shut up brick top u just get all ur info from the web i've seen everything u post its online..i work at a cannabis club and had to watch videos about thc sooo for all u haters that think u know everything i bet u didnt know that resin glands have magnifying balls on the tips that directs light to the buds to make thc..look it up

You are so very wrong. I do not get all my info from the net, I choose to post info from the net instead of what I have learned over the decades because it is proven to be accurate and it is much simpler and quicker to click on a saved file and C&P it than to type it all out in my words.

I post information that is found online because I post information that has been proven to be accurate. Unlike you I do not say this is what I came up with and do or what a pal told me about so I do it too. I follow the instruction of people who know more about pot than you ever will and I share that with others.

So you work at a cannabis club. Gee, aint that wonderful? How many DECADES did you say you have been growing?

You are a fantastic example of someone with just enough knowledge to be dangerous. You, like all of use enjoy pot, and you think it is cool and you work around it so that to you is cool and you like to brag about working around it because not only is that cool to you but also it gives the impression of you somehow being an expert.

You are like a guy who rotates tires at a car repair shop trying to tell people the intricacies of a computer controlled automatic transmission and relies on his happening to work at the same place where other people repair such transmissions for proof that he himself actually knows how to do it.

You also like to take the intellectually dishonest route every chance you get if you believe doing so will make you appear to know what you are talking about. You posted that light is probably the most important factor in bud development.

Well that depends on what someone calls bud development and you have used that gray area to attempt to prove what you want to attempt to prove.

The position has been taken that cutting fan leaves will increase bud growth. I and a number others have said that is not true. You replied with THC development, which is to a fair degree based in a reaction to light, but that is not the same as bud growth.

A plant can have tiny buds that are very frost and a plant can have massive buds that are not frosty. Bud growth is not based on direct light but you have taken a different function of buds that does rely on light and attempted to use it to refute something not related.

You have also taken the position that light only increases THC and that it does not break down THC.

So far I have failed to see a response from you about how the Stitchting Institute of Medical Marijuana did tests where some marijuana plants were given a dark period of 72 hours before harvesting and curing and in some of the plants there was an increase in levels of THC as much as 30% while CBD and CND levels remained the same.

30% is a major increase in THC levels. How do you explain that if light only increases levels of THC and if light does not break down THC?

What you said is a perfect example of how you know a little and want and need to believe you know a lot and like to talk like you know a lot.

To put it into extremely simple terms to you can both understand it and also so you will not accuse me of posting totally accurate technical information again, it works somewhat like sunscreen. As light hits the resin THC breaks down, not totally, only to a degree, a percentage, and at night THC is recouped, replenished and more is added.

When a plant is given a period of darkness the increase in THC levels does not come from light hitting buds causing more THC to be produced but instead because for that period of time THC is not only being produced but also THC is not being broken down by light resulting in an overall increase in THC levels.

Stoney Jake · Apr 3, 2009

HomeGrown420baby said:
shut up brick top u just get all ur info from the web i've seen everything u post its online..i work at a cannabis club and had to watch videos about thc sooo for all u haters that think u know everything i bet u didnt know that resin glands have magnifying balls on the tips that directs light to the buds to make thc..look it up

damn you are naive. Do some research yourself and stop listening to whoever is feeding you that crap. Those "little magnifying balls" are the heads of something called trichomes and they contain THC they dont produce it or even help in the production in any way.
It crazy to think that someone so misguided and uneducated would be working at a clinic.....
Regardless of what you think the function of trichs are light isnt magnified by things that arent even clear...

Does that look like a magnifying glass to you?

Brick Top · Apr 3, 2009

Stoney Jake said:
damn you are naive. Do some research yourself and stop listening to whoever is feeding you that crap. Those "little magnifying balls" are the heads of something called trichomes and they contain THC they dont produce it or even help in the production in any way.
It crazy to think that someone so misguided and uneducated would be working at a clinic.....
Regardless of what you think the function of trichs are light isnt magnified by things that arent even clear...

Does that look like a magnifying glass to you?

To give the Devil his due Homey was to a degree accurate in what he said.

The thing is that he only said some of what is factual and used that to attempt to prove something different than what he said could prove.

It may be a case of knowing a little and then believing that you know if all but I hope that is not the case and instead just a case of having poor communication skills being the cause.

I will be willing to give him the benefit of doubt and believe that what he was thinking and what he wrote were two different things and that was due to poor phraseology more than ignorance but even then what he said, or better put what he attempted to say, was not proof of what he was using it to prove.

He wrote, or inferred by unclear phraseology, that THC is created in the resin-balls on the tips of trichomes.

Again that may have only been inferred by error, at least I hope that is the case if he actually works in a medical marijuana clinic where expertise would be important. THC is created in the glands that secrete resin to the tip of the trichome so THC is not created in the resin-ball but instead THC is found in the resin-ball.

The resin-ball on the tip of a trichome will reflect light rays to the center of the ball and will magnify the light rays. In that he was accurate. His position that light does not break down THC is where he was inaccurate.

"For all spheres, a ray drawn perpendicular to the sphere's surface will intersect the center of the sphere, no matter what spot on the surface is picked, and the magnifying power(a) of a glass sphere is greater the smaller its size.

A sphere of glass can also bring light that is heading to a focus behind it to a point within it, with freedom from two aberrations, spherial aberration and coma, but not from chromatic aberration.

Chromatic aberration results when different wavelengths are focused on different planes and is the most difficult of the aberrations to correct. The human eye lens also exhibits chromatic aberration, but a yellow pigment(b) called the macula lutea in the fovea, an area at the rear of the eyeball, corrects this problem by the way it absorbs blue light."

(a)"The formula to calculate the magnifying power of a sphere is l=333/d, where l is the magnifying power and d is the diameter of the sphere expressed in mm."

(b)Interestingly, the resin exuded by drug-type flowering female marijuana plants has a yellow tint. Could this pigment work to correct chromatic aberration in the resin sphere like the macula lutea does in the fovea for the eyeball?

Quoting from the Mahlberg and Kim study of hemp(a) "THC accumulated in abundance in the secretory cavity where it was associated with the following: cell walls, surface feature of secretory vesicles, fibrillar material released from disc cell wall, and cuticle. It was not associated with the content of the secretory vesicles."

The resin spheres contain the THC. It is not contained in the leaf or floral bract.

"Cannabinoids represent a dimer consisting of a terpene and a phenol component. Cannabigerol (CBG) is the first component of the pathway. It undergoes chemical change to form either cannabichromene (CBC), or cannabidiol (CBD). Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is derived from CBD."

"Pate (1983) indicated that in areas of high ultraviolet radiation exposure, the UVB (280-320 nm) absorption properties of THC may have conferred an evolutionary advantage to Cannabis capable of greater production of this compound from biogenetic precursor CBD. The extent to which this production is also influenced by environmental UVB has also been experimentally determined by Lydon et al. (1987)."

Bud Frosty · Apr 3, 2009

MIKEJONES11 said:
Looking for pro's and con's for removing all leaves 1 week or more or less before finishing of flowering? I have been told to do it so more light gets to the buds. Imput appreicated!!!

I usually do a little selective leaf removal during veg to shape and promote more side growth but, keep it to an absolute minimum during flower. Especially during the end of the cycle when the fan leaves are suffering already.

CrackerJax · Apr 3, 2009

Just remember every time you remove something from a plant.... any plant...you are wounding that plant. The plant then has to DIVERT energy to heal itself lest it be overcome from invading bacteria.

In away i can see where all of this comes from. people are always trying to find the next trick. Just let the plant be the plant. A happy plant will produce happy buds. A complete plant is a happy plant. :peace:

out.

Brick Top · Apr 3, 2009

HomeGrown420baby said:
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I want to apologize to Homey and clarify something I said and let everyone know that I made somewhat of an error and that Homey was correct in something he said.

While showering I thought about something I said and it hit me that I had said something that was not totally accurate.

I said that THC is not produced in the resin-balls and that it is produced in the glands that secrete resin to the tip of the stalks.

The chemicals that combine to produce THC are created in the glands but they DO combine in the resin balls so technically on that one Homey was equally or more correct than I was. The chemicals are not created in the resin balls so technically THC is not totally produced there but because the combination of chemicals that then become THC does happen in the resin balls that is where it first exists, so again Homey was equally or more accurate on that point than I was.

Sorry to Homey for inaccurately claiming that you were totally wrong and sorry to anyone I may have misled on that point.

Gdaddy · Apr 3, 2009

I'm torn on this issue. I've seen bad results from too much trimming, but I think minimal trimming to get more light to some buds absoloutely helps. If the light hitting the buds doesn't matter then why don't the buds grow equally over the whole plant? Why do the buds that get the most light do the best?

SlikWiLL13 · Apr 3, 2009

if you need to trim leaves to get light to lower parts of your plant, trimming isnt your problem...proper canopy management is.

why the hell would you spent the time to grow a plant that cant effectivly use the light you provide? thers a myriad of training techniques at our disposal to alleviate this problem.

if i have under growth that isnt getting enough light, i eliminate it. why remove leaves in prime upper canopy to get a little light on buds that will turn out airy anyway?

heres how i fix my undergrowth problem-

and they turn into these-

zero airy buds, no shaded buds, 3-4oz's each of nothing but top buds, AND NO LEAF TRIMMING!!!!

smokiedog · Apr 3, 2009

Gdaddy said:
I'm torn on this issue. I've seen bad results from too much trimming, but I think minimal trimming to get more light to some buds absoloutely helps. If the light hitting the buds doesn't matter then why don't the buds grow equally over the whole plant? Why do the buds that get the most light do the best?

is it that the buds with the most light look the best???? OR is it the leaves with the best light pruduce the best bud??? if leaves are the "solar panels" then it would make sense that the leaves getting the best light are going to develop the best buds...

so you could put a bag over your bud so it is in the dark while the leaves produce energy in the light and the bud would keep producing THC with no light degradation? anybody have any thoughts on this????

after reading this thread completley it seems to make complete sense that cutting is damage and diverts energy to repairs that would otherwise goto normal production... with that said it also makes sense that occasional selective trimming of some leaves or leave tips to allow light to penatrate the canopy to leaves that produce energy to the adjacent lower bud sites. does it make sense that there can be a happy medium?
as long as you dont go nuts like edward scissorhands on crack you should be okay.....

a few leaves here and there through out the grow to optimize light penatration as long as they are not the leaves closest to a bud site cant be that bad. i mean dont plants in nature loose leaves due to wind, rain, animals, branches from other plants falling etc....

CrackerJax · Apr 3, 2009

The plant to produce the best weed possible needs to stay in BALANCE. Weed has been around long before our cultivation of it. It has developed a specific way of doing things. The more you futz with that system, the more problems the plant will have. People get so anal over weed, just let it do its thing...

Hydro makes ppl get anal, since the system of growing it needs CONSTANT attention...one of the reasons i grow outdoors. With the right prep...plant and forget.

out. :blsmoke:

SlikWiLL13 · Apr 3, 2009

CrackerJax said:
Hydro makes ppl get anal, since the system of growing it needs CONSTANT attention...one of the reasons i grow outdoors. With the right prep...plant and forget.

part of my love affair with hydro is the maintenence. i could get the work done in 15 min a day if i had to, but i take an hour or more because i enjoy it.

CrackerJax · Apr 3, 2009

You've learned to enjoy the maintenance. It's a horrific time waster compared to outdoor grows. Hence my comment. 90% of the problems in these thread are all from indoor grows.....too much maintenance...too many mistakes to be made.

out. :blsmoke:

SlikWiLL13 · Apr 3, 2009

CrackerJax said:
You've learned to enjoy the maintenance. It's a horrific time waster compared to outdoor grows. Hence my comment. 90% of the problems in these thread are all from indoor grows.....too much maintenance...too many mistakes to be made.

out.

true, but in defense of indoor growers i bet 70% of RIU's members are indoor growers.

CrackerJax · Apr 3, 2009

Why is that? :mrgreen:

They all have problems because growing without the NATURAL light weed craves makes the grow complicated. Most of these tikes think if they buy a grow system, it will be plug and grow easy...it is not.

out. :blsmoke:

SlikWiLL13 · Apr 3, 2009

i think maybe you misunderstood me. you said 90% of problem posts are from indoor grows. i agreed on the maintenence issues but said that most of our fellow members grow indoors, making the majority of the posts here being from indoor growers.

CrackerJax · Apr 3, 2009

yes, but that is only the posters... many more view. I think PLENTY of people grow outdoors. Plenty of them are on this site, but they don't post nearly as much because lets face it weed is not a difficult plant to grow. At least not outdoors.

If weed became legal to grow...indoor growing would become an asterisk footnote in the history books. No?

out. :blsmoke:

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