GenericEnigma
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I've listened to and read many of his statements over the years. He is sealioning for fascists and anti-semites. Full stop.
Roger Waters victim of Cancel culture???
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lusidghost
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Okay. Cite some examples?
GenericEnigma
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E.g., one can criticize Israel legitimately. But to compare it to Nazi Germany is absolutely ridiculous.
Plenty of examples to go around. Just ask some of his contemporaries, especially those who have know him a long time: David Gilmore.
lusidghost
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That's all you've got? Come on, man.
lusidghost
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That list isn't even accurate. He didn't was an SS costume for one. Do you know anything about Palestine?
GenericEnigma
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I'm an old fan and it breaks my heart, too. Took me a while to accept it.
It's obvious. I am now convinced I could show you all the conclusive evidence in the world and you would say, "That's all you got?"
lusidghost
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To call a guy antisemitic for standing up against an apartheid state is wild. Has he ever said anything actually antisemitic? Please find me that. The Wall was condemning nazism. Do you understand how context works?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
He suggested Ukraine sue for peace while torn apart by Vladolf’s war of aggression. He’s ok with naked fascism consuming other nations.
Roger Waters: I'm on a Ukrainian 'Kill List'
In an explosive, wide-ranging interview, the Pink Floyd co-founder discusses his controversial views on Ukraine — and Russia, and Wikileaks, and Israel, and so much more.
www.rollingstone.com
lusidghost
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Yes, he's a pacifist. Like most of the left before Obama took office. Remember Crimea?He suggested Ukraine sue for peace while torn apart by Vladolf’s war of aggression. He’s ok with naked fascism consuming other nations.
Roger Waters: I'm on a Ukrainian 'Kill List'
In an explosive, wide-ranging interview, the Pink Floyd co-founder discusses his controversial views on Ukraine — and Russia, and Wikileaks, and Israel, and so much more.www.rollingstone.com
cannabineer
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Legitimizing Vladolf’s aggression is incompatible with pacifism. He’s blaming the victim.
lusidghost
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He was born into the fallout of a war torn country. Maybe he has an understanding that you or I don't?
GenericEnigma
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It's not that he criticized Israel, it's how he did it.
The Wall was basically a Waters autobiography. What was the headspace of the protagonist at the end?
Few antisemites come out and actually say what they mean. I doubt I would find a quote from Waters explicitly denouncing Jewish people.
Given your straw man and ad hominem, I don't think you really want to know. Just to convince others of what you think.
cannabineer
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lusidghost
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Is Putin a Nazi? I'm getting confused here. Waters whole body of work addresses and rejects authoritarianism and fascism.
lusidghost
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Bold font helps people understand. Good move.
lusidghost
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How many antisemites make a rock opera condemning nazism?
cannabineer
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He seems to be here to push a perspective, not to examine it. The string of non sequitur about 40+ -year-old music fits in with it.
BudmanTX
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yes
lusidghost
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Have you seen the movie? It's a pretty strong theme.