Roll it up fam need your help or thoughts

Hey guys so I just moved and trying to dial everything in right now. As of now I'm eliminating one thing at a time to correct the issue.I just moved out to the country and the water is not the best my ph is high at 8.5 and 220ppm and only other issue is environment atm can't dial in temps and very dry as of now so I purchased a ro water filter new ph pen and new tent with a new inline fan wanted to upgrade anyway as I was just growing in a room but was easy to dial in at my old house not as cold and a almost sealed room..So my plant seedlings and smaller vegging plants are not growing and the leaves are staying very small I assume it's a ph problem causing lock out but just curious if anyone has come across this issue and what your fix was ..I'm not a new grower and can figure it out but still like advice and seeing your guys input thanks..

My plants in flower are fine and I just ran out of ph down so been waiting for an order to come in but I am almost positive it's lockout

Need to drop your ph. I use vinegar to lower ph , just do a test with just water to see how much you need to drop ph to 6.5.

This is weird, why is everyone on this site trying to ph soil water and feeds?

The soil is not balancing out my ph I'm running through my options so once my ph is back on track I can start to dial in climates have a t6 infinity on the way with a new tent.

Im not even sure how you are testing the soils Ph. When i started the worst advice i had was to ph soil or even mess with its buffers, not a lots changed so ignore me maybe its just a stage we all go through.

Superbad421 said:

The soil is not balancing out my ph I'm running through my options so once my ph is back on track I can start to dial in climates have a t6 infinity on the way with a new tent.

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2Hearts said:

This is weird, why is everyone on this site trying to ph soil water and feeds?

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Because pH is critical in all mediums for proper nutrient uptake by the plants growing in them. Although soil is more forgiving than other mediums, it's still just as important to be consistent with the pH of the liquid going in.

To actually test the medium itself, you can buy soil pH testers. You can also make a soil 'slurry', and test that. I prefer making sure what I put in is correct, then I don't ever have to worry about testing the medium.

See what happens when you think you can master ph more than soil and fertilizer companies.

Im all for using soft not hard water but past that a lot here are trying to hydro the shit out of soil and thats real confusing.

All i can agree with is put whats needed in and you dont have to ph or check anything, but thats obvious and brings us back to my question of why a lot are trying to fail hard and not use the simple instruction on the back of the bag.

spek9 said:

Because pH is critical in all mediums for proper nutrient uptake by the plants growing in them. Although soil is more forgiving than other mediums, it's still just as important to be consistent with the pH of the liquid going in.

To actually test the medium itself, you can buy soil pH testers. You can also make a soil 'slurry', and test that. I prefer making sure what I put in is correct, then I don't ever have to worry about testing the medium.

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I’ve never heard of not ph’ing, regardless of what you grow in. Like spek said, soil is more forgiving than a hydro system, but still necessary. Also, you said the climate was dry, how are you counteracting the lack of humidity?

A million people everyday buy a bag of soil and tap water and manage to grow fruit and veg just fine no ph.

Your advice seems to condescend the facts, why such confusion and some statement that we should ph soil when it really dosent add up?

Dontjudgeme said:

I’ve never heard of not ph’ing, regardless of what you grow in. Like spek said, soil is more forgiving than a hydro system, but still necessary. Also, you said the climate was dry, how are you counteracting the lack of humidity?

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2Hearts said:

A million people everyday buy a bag of soil and tap water and manage to grow fruit and veg just fine no ph.

Your advice seems to condescend the facts, why such confusion and some statement that we should ph soil when it really dosent add up?

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If you’re talking about just buying a bag of soil, throwing a seed in it and watering, then of course ph’ing isn’t necessary. But when you start throwing nutrients and what ever else into the mix, you telling me there’s no need to ph the water you just added all those chemicals to? I already tested this theory because I was skeptical about doing it myself. No surprise that my plant looked like utter crap, and my grow environment is spot on from start to finish.
So I agree with the no ph if all you do is water and walk away, but introducing chemicals into the equation requires ph’ing the water in order for the plant to use what you’re feeding it. If I didn’t try it myself without ph’ing I wouldn’t advise someone to do it.

2Hearts said:

A million people everyday buy a bag of soil and tap water and manage to grow fruit and veg just fine no ph.

Your advice seems to condescend the facts, why such confusion and some statement that we should ph soil when it really dosent add up?

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I never used to pH my soil, but I just accidentally dropped my soil pH too much because apparently my nute mixture was too acidic. It caused all my plants leaves to turn bronze in the intravenal area. So I had to get a good soil pH meter so I could figure out how high I needed to raise the pH of my nute solution so I could resolve the issue and not starve them. I guess it's one of those "you don't need to pH your soil until you do" kinda things.

Now in a well amended super soil or living soil you probably don't need to pH anything, but it's not like it hurts to know more right?

Gentlemencorpse said:

I never used to pH my soil, but I just accidentally dropped my soil pH too much because apparently my nute mixture was too acidic. It caused all my plants leaves to turn bronze in the intravenal area. So I had to get a good soil pH meter so I could figure out how high I needed to raise the pH of my nute solution so I could resolve the issue and not starve them. I guess it's one of those "you don't need to pH your soil until you do" kinda things.

Now in a well amended super soil or living soil you probably don't need to pH anything, but it's not like it hurts to know more right?

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I don’t use Nutes because I amend my soil. I just water. But I use distilled water which has no nutritional value, so I have to supplement with calmag, which drops my ph. If I used tap water I wouldn’t add calmag and probably not ph at all. But my city water isn’t good, so I use distilled. Moral of the story, I agree with not ph’ing if you aren’t adding anything to your water, if you are and you’re not ph’ing, you’re asking for problems.

Theres lime in soil which buffers any acid.
Those millions who buy a bag of soil and grow fruit and veg also use basic fertilizers with no ph added.
Hey some cannabis growers seem to do the craziest stuff, i guess its become the new normal and us other growers phazed out.

Dontjudgeme said:

If you’re talking about just buying a bag of soil, throwing a seed in it and watering, then of course ph’ing isn’t necessary. But when you start throwing nutrients and what ever else into the mix, you telling me there’s no need to ph the water you just added all those chemicals to? I already tested this theory because I was skeptical about doing it myself. No surprise that my plant looked like utter crap, and my grow environment is spot on from start to finish.
So I agree with the no ph if all you do is water and walk away, but introducing chemicals into the equation requires ph’ing the water in order for the plant to use what you’re feeding it. If I didn’t try it myself without ph’ing I wouldn’t advise someone to do it.

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2Hearts said:

Theres lime in soil which buffers any acid.
Those millions who buy a bag of soil and grow fruit and veg also use basic fertilizers with no ph added.
Hey some cannabis growers seem to do the craziest stuff, i guess its become the new normal and us other growers phazed out.

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Are you just trolling? Or are you stupid?

I just gave a first hand example of soil NOT BUFFERING and acidic mixture.

And your assertion that all soil has lime in it is absurd. Hell, we need to add lime to our garden every couple seasons because the grass clippings acidify the soil as they decompose.

You need to go do some research away from the weed forums man. You think you know a lot more about growing then you do. Go talk to some farmers or botanists or something.

Unless you are just trolling, in which case, grow up.

Gentlemencorpse said:

Are you just trolling? Or are you stupid?

I just gave a first hand example of soil NOT BUFFERING and acidic mixture.

And your assertion that all soil has lime in it is absurd. Hell, we need to add lime to our garden every couple seasons because the grass clippings acidify the soil as they decompose.

You need to go do some research away from the weed forums man. You think you know a lot more about growing then you do. Go talk to some farmers or botanists or something.

Unless you are just trolling, in which case, grow up.

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Of course your soil is going to become acidic if you are dumping acidic nutrient solution on it. Not sure how your lawn needs lime relates to anything either.
@2Hearts statement that bagged soil is built with the correct ph is accurate. Sometimes you get a bad batch but that isnt the norm.
I have never checked ph in my water only soil mix, although when i was doing soiless with gh trio, i did ph the solution.
No reason to get all worked up here

Boatguy said:

Of course your soil is going to become acidic if you are dumping acidic nutrient solution on it. Not sure how your lawn needs lime relates to anything either.
@2Hearts statement that bagged soil is built with the correct ph is accurate. Sometimes you get a bad batch but that isnt the norm.
I have never checked ph in my water only soil mix, although when i was doing soiless with gh trio, i did ph the solution.
No reason to get all worked up here

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My lawn doesn't need lime, my garden does. I use composted grass clippings as fertilizer. I was just saying that the assertion that all soil already contains lime isn't true in nature or in our marijuana grows. Many do, but not all.

Anyways, I typed up a whole long response explaining why I think that dude is being a dick, but the site deleted it and I don't have the wherewithal to type it up again. So in summary, I don't think your wrong, or that he's wrong. I just think your taking your personal experiences and extrapolating them to all growers without the necessary data to back it up. Usually you don't need to pH anything in soil, but sometimes you do, and I have recent, personal experience that sometimes you do, so you can't tell me you never need to.

Anyways, I like you @Boatguy so do t take anything personal. Your methods work for you and that's great. But @2Hearts is kind of a dick.

Gentlemencorpse said:

Anyways, I like you @Boatguy so do t take anything personal. Your methods work for you and that's great. But @2Hearts is kind of a dick.

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I dont take much personal here, but thank you just the same. It just seemed to me that @2Hearts was talking about bagged soils, and you were relating that to an outdoor seasonal garden. I agree with you there, just not on the bagged soil part.
Nothing wrong with a little spirited debate

2Hearts said:

Theres lime in soil which buffers any acid.
Those millions who buy a bag of soil and grow fruit and veg also use basic fertilizers with no ph added.
Hey some cannabis growers seem to do the craziest stuff, i guess its become the new normal and us other growers phazed out.

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My father in law who is 69 and the person I learned most of what I know is the reason I grew a plant without ph’ing because he said it was absolutely not necessary. Needless to say, I made him a believer, not that I was trying to prove him wrong, but because I would rather grow without having to ph. The plant was in bad shape from the start. It did however make it to harvest with deficiency everywhere, and the buds were small and didn’t yield very much, and yes I used liquid Nutes the whole grow.

My father in law used ferts back in the day, but nothing like what’s on the market now, and maybe that’s why his mentality of ph’ing wasn’t necessary. Bottles of Nutes like FF for example doesn’t instruct the users to ph their water, and why would they. Their products aren’t specifically designed for growing cannabis, but all plants, and not all plants require ph’ing water. This is why I don’t bottle feed anymore, I amend my soil. But even after adding calmag to my distilled water which is ph’d at 7, it drops to 5.8-6. I’m sure I could get away without ph’ing, but I want to make sure my plant is taking advantage of the nutrients in the soil as much as possible, which is why I ph up to 6.5.

I know a lot of people do things because it’s the standard norm, and don’t even question why or run their own experiment to see for themselves. That’s why forums like this exist, to prevent them from making the same mistakes we all made, and hopefully guide them in the right direction.

Most of the time its not necessary but some times it is all depends on what your using and the mixture of ingredients..I reuse soil for about three runs and amend myself after every run and give them my normal nute schedule .This is the first time I've run into this issue I dont ph most of the time but when I have issues I just cross one thing off the list at a time by checking the ph and ppm of soil water and my mixtures then go to climate.