Ron Paul Economics

ViRedd

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Yes, yes, you can dream.. lol.. just wanted to make sure you were aware where we were in reality. LOL..:-P

In the primaries she said he was "cool" because he was outside of the system like her.. seems she got her GOP training though after accepting the nod :shock: lol..
Right. You can bet the NeoCons are hanging all over her like a cheap suit trying to groom her to their way of thinking. Maybe her patriot husband will keep her straightend out. :)

Vi
 

desertrat

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how on earth is palin in anyway libertarian, how is she even conservative? Didnt she raise taxes in alaska, didnt she triple taxes on oil companies...does she not use that money to give checks to everyone in alaska, is that not "wealth redistribution"....doesnt that make her a commie in your book vi? I cannot undersatnd what people like about palin so much....
yea, what homey said
 

ViRedd

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how on earth is palin in anyway libertarian, how is she even conservative? Didnt she raise taxes in alaska, didnt she triple taxes on oil companies...does she not use that money to give checks to everyone in alaska, is that not "wealth redistribution"....doesnt that make her a commie in your book vi? I cannot undersatnd what people like about palin so much....
Here you go, hom. :) Be sure to read the whole thing: http://www.reason.com/news/show/128695.html

Vi
 

hom36rown

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WOW, she supports jury nullification, the iraq war, and was part the AIP, and shes from alaska(which isnt even an accomplishment)WHAT A CONSERVATIVE MAVERICK...are you serious? thats it
 

ViRedd

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Who's Afraid of Sarah Palin (And Why)


When Afraid, Attack is the Mantra. So who is afraid of Sarah Palin, and why are they afraid?

by EJ Moosa
(Libertarian)

If you listen carefully, you can just hear between the well prepared lines, and determine why Sarah Palin is such a threat to the political infrastructure of these United States.

In Denver last week, we heard of the American Dream as lived by one Barack Obama. How a black man in Chicago without a dad, went to law school, turned down the high paying lawyer job, and went on (via the Chicago political machine) to become the nominee of the Democratic Party. Those who control that dream- the Chicago political machine, the Democratic Party itself, and the media are afraid. They cannot have some PTA mom from a small town in Alaska define another path to the top. If Sarah Palin succeeds, they lose.

Two weeks ago we saw Barack Obama select Joe Biden, a senator with decades of experience as his vice presidential running mate. Senator Biden's experience has been advertised as the reason he is such a good running mate. In today's papers, details about how he fought for Israel. How did he fight? By casting votes in the Senate. By talking to his colleagues about how to vote.

Using this logic, I have been fighting for this nation for decades myself, talking to friends and families about how to vote for not just President, but local and state elections as well. If Sarah Palin wins, Joe Biden, and the rest of the career politicians who hold hope that if they just hang in there, play the game, then one day they may be called upon for a position such as Biden has been called will become big losers. If Sarah Palin wins, the career politicians lose.

The old school political establishment is at risk if Palin wins with John McCain. It means that you do not need to make a lifelong career of being a politician, wining and dining with lobbyists, to effectively run government. It then means that people such as you and I, who can read and follow a constitution, could be an effective leader. It means that if Sarah Palin wins, we all become potential winners. The potential is then based upon what we do with it.

The position of governor of a state should hold much more respect than being a Senator. There are 100 Senators. There are only 50 governors. Senators run for reelection once every 6 years-governors every four years. With Senators they can vote both ways on the same issue in their position-with Governors the buck stops with them. They do not get that luxury. If Sarah Palin wins, we can say State government trumps a lifetime of Federal Service.

The belief that government is highly complicated and that it is too difficult to do by a common citizen is at risk. Who has propagated that myth? Career politicians and lobbyists who have invested millions, that is who. If Sarah Palin wins, she proves that it is not so complicated that a determined individual cannot do an excellent job by FOLLOWING the Constitution. What a concept!

If Sarah Palin wins, lawyers lose. Can't we get away from lawyers as political leaders? Biden trained as a lawyer, Obama was a lawyer, the Clintons were lawyers. McCain is not a lawyer. Palin was a business student. Don't we want someone with business sense rather than ltigation sense leading our nation? Haven't lawyers done enough to our nation already?

And despite what some Libertarians worry about, if Sarah Palin wins, our movement will win. Candidates of the future will bring more of what the winners possessed to the table in 2012. If Sarah Palin wins, we will have more smaller government candidates in the future. (And if Obama/Biden win, we will have more big government American Promise candidates-because that is what it took to win)

If Sarah Palin wins, and is just a breath away from being President of the United States, then We, the People will win. In 2012, she just might be the candidate to beat for the position of President of the United States. And if that were to occur, that would be much sooner than we would have gotten a Constitution following, smaller government candidate in position to win the White House.

We wanted a shift in power in Washington. This is your chance. What are you going to do? Fantasize about what could have been? Hope things get worse before they get better and think the American people will shift big time in 2012? Can we afford the hit to our economy by Obama/Biden?

Am I afraid that Sarah Palin could be one breath away from being President? Hell no-I would be relieved.

So tell me how I can lose if Palin wins? When she wins, we will all win.

OK, not all of us. Those that have controlled our political processes will lose.

But I am OK with that. What about you?
 

hom36rown

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I can sum that article up in 5 words "she isnt a career politician"...welll that doesnt make me like her any more, I seriously doubt she is gong to change the face of politics forever, McCain will still be #1...and he is a career politician....
 

Seamaiden

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Not registered as either a Republican or a Democrat, so I didn't get a chance to vote in the Primaries.
I actually changed my registered political affiliation, for the first time in my LIFE, just so I could vote for Ron Paul. You can do that in California, but I COULDN'T do it through the Republican website (fucktwats), so I found another way to do it. I am not giving up at this point.

When one encounters a wall, one is not stopped. One must think. Persistence and determination are omnipotent.
 

ViRedd

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Not registered as either a Republican or a Democrat, so I didn't get a chance to vote in the Primaries.
Me either ... I'm registered as a Libertarian and have been for 25 years now.

I love Ron Paul and have followed him and his ideas for years now. Facing facts, I realize that Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance of being elected, and I think Palin is the second best choice. I couldn't give a damn about McCain ... and a LOT less for O'Bama and Biden.

A few years in commissioned sales convinces one that libertarian ideas are pretty darned good. :lol:

Vi
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Strange, I thought it was just getting a decent private sector job and being forced to pay taxes that turned people into libertarians/conservatives.
 

Seamaiden

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For me it was being brought up to cherish the Constitution. As I grew up I realized that the purest tenets of Libertarianism, as with Marxism and communism, simply will never work because we can never factor out human nature. So, I've sort of swung back away from the more extreme privatization views, due entirely to corporate behavior and how it affects the individual (they infringe upon us and our freedoms, become monopolies and remove our choices).
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Monopolies, abusive monopolies, are self-destructive. If they abuse their position by jacking up prices they just set the stage for competitors to form and steal their market share.
 

ViRedd

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Strange, I thought it was just getting a decent private sector job and being forced to pay taxes that turned people into libertarians/conservatives.
~lol~ Honestly, I used to be a liberal. I voted the first time for John Kennedy when I was 21 years old. I even voted for McGovern because he made the promise that he'd legalize weed. Yes, I admit that I used to be that naive. Then I started making money in sales and the government highwaymen mugged me in a dark forest one day in April ... around the 15th of the month, I believe, and ever since then I've been like Robinhood ... taking as much from the King as possible and giving it to myself and the poor. :bigjoint:

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ViRedd

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For me it was being brought up to cherish the Constitution. As I grew up I realized that the purest tenets of Libertarianism, as with Marxism and communism, simply will never work because we can never factor out human nature. So, I've sort of swung back away from the more extreme privatization views, due entirely to corporate behavior and how it affects the individual (they infringe upon us and our freedoms, become monopolies and remove our choices).
Ahh, yes ... but as any astute Libertarian will tell you, some restraints are necessary in order to retain a free market society. Voluntary exchange is really great and is a basis for liberty, but when greed is not positively directed, that's when we need restraints and controls. We have them ... they are called cops, courts and jails ... all a legitimate function of government.

Oh, and if the cops, courts and jails become corrupt and stand in the way of a moral free market ... well, that's why modern-day street lights are curved at the top. Very convienient to hang ropes from. :)

Vi
 
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