Root Clone Test - pictures

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Total Head said:

all right so 2 days ago i planted the different halves in separate pots, and so far the "seed end" of my seedlings are poking up through the soil. the pic below was actually taken yesterday and since then the other 2 sprouts have come up. the root tip pot has shown nothing, but i assume building a set of primaries takes a bit longer than simply lenthening the root, so i'm still hopeful this will work. if anything i've proven that the idea of treating freshly germed seeds with kid gloves is a lot of hooey. i manhandled these things and chopped off their tips and they grow anyway, seemingly at the same rate as any other seed i've planted. my theory is that the part i chopped off will in fact sprout 2 root tips and perhaps grow faster than it would have otherwise. to clarify the seedling in the pic is to the right and a little below center. it's small but it's there. i will put up a pic tomorrow of the other 2 that came up. could take a bit for the tips to come up though.

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I'm sorry but the only thing (in my opinion) you're doing is damaging the taproot of the seed, making it more prone to becoming a male/hermie. That's why most expert growers say don't touch the taproot at all and just plant it in, because you fucking with it can alter the hormonal reactions and essentially alter the genetics.

YungMoolaBaby said:

I'm sorry but the only thing (in my opinion) you're doing is damaging the taproot of the seed, making it more prone to becoming a male/hermie. That's why most expert growers say don't touch the taproot at all and just plant it in, because you fucking with it can alter the hormonal reactions and essentially alter the genetics.

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i respect your opinion but i think that's an old wives tale. there is no evidence that i have seen that supports the idea of "stess induced hermies" being caused from anything done in the seedling stage. or in veg for that matter. only circumstance that should do that is if you're talking severe ph/heat/light/moisture etc. type stress and even then i doubt it. even in that case an argument could be made that the abuse likely continues through flower and that may in fact be the cause of any hermies. i just don't buy it.

still nothing from the root tips but all 3 seed ends have come up. i will admit they are probably the slowest growing seeds i've ever seen, but they were also the slowest germing, and i did cut their tips off for hell's sake. they did poke right up through soil the day after they were planted though. they could still take off but they are going to be cramped since there are 3 in a 4 inch pot. if i find this experiment worthy of repeating i will make sure they get idividual pots and i will probably use seeds that are a bit more aggressive in the paper towel. year old bagseeds were probably not the best choice for this but you can't beat free. i'm certainly not going to chop up expensive seeds unless i truly believe there is a benefit. i have some blurry pics of the seedlings that are coming up. you can only see 2 because the 3rd is barely above soil and the seed shell camos it. please don't lecture me on the half full container. i ran out of dirt and have no desire to drop 8 more bucks on a bag of happy frog that will only sit around and dry out. one of them has its first real leaf poking out. the shells haven't fallen off any of them yet.

so... did this experiment ever show results? were the results of the first succesfully reproduced?

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Not yet anomolies, I've been working on another project and have let this one slide. (The Acedemy linked at the bottom of this post.)

I'm going to take roots from a plant just going into flower, to see if the roots age like the plants. I may be taking the roots too late, like taking a cutting after it turns woody. (Total Head's idea, post #292, page 30)

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I'm also going to use Root Stim. (V12 & That 5hit).

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I think the overwhelming problem with this experiment is that they expected results by putting buckets in the dark. Plants will not grow without light. Right? So after an initial setup in creating proper humidity and sprouting conditions you would have to rotate the soil and give it light. The same thing occurs when you plant outdoors. You have ground free of weeds but when you rotate the soil and plant you end up with a garden in need of weeding. Just a thought.

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That is a thought wilsoncr, that root near the top of the soil get a little bit of PUR penetration through the soil. The first batch I had were in black buckets but I'll try some roots in a ziploc bag in my nursery.

Thanks!

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any luck yet?

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JM I've slacked off on this experiment but I'm going to try it again with three differences:

- I'll tear out the roots during the first two weeks of flower. This is when the plant produces branch tissue that roots the quickest, it's possible that the roots will produce the same type of cells during stretch.

- I'm going to let the root tips grow out of the root pruning pots for several weeks, being careful not to let the pots dry too light between waterings. I'll pour water around the outer rim of the buckets to keep the roots alive. This last round of attempts used roots harvested from landscaping fabric lined root pruning buckets, the root tips would have been trapped in the fabric and I would have none in the roots I harvested. I'm no longer using landscaping fabric on my plants coming into flower. The root tips are no doubt the key to root cloning, I'll put up the farm on that one.

- I'm going to use rooting powder.

I'll post some pics when I start.

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I have an embarressing confession as to why I've taken up so much of your time with this root cloning test. I've embedded it in this post from my Grow Lab thread. I apologize for taking so long, I promise to have budded roots within weeks to months or I will refund everyones admittance to the thread and invoke the Hobbes Unconditional Guarantee: I will do what I say I will do, or I will do it again until I achieve the results that we want.

Please make a link to the Weed Science download page, if this thread disapears the root cloning pictorial with pictures of successful results will be in Weed Science and there will be a link to my new home forum in the download page of The Academy.

This is so embarressing, I feel like an idiot. I've known why I messed up the root clone experiment for weeks or months, I just ... you're going to laugh.

If there's anyone who would like to manufacture and sell root pruning buckets with a root tip harvester for cloning I'll help you design a manufacturing process and marketing plan for an incredibly small per sale royalty, only after you're making a profit. I'm using some of my Gizmos to fund The Academy, at the Weed Science download link.

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My site is The Academy, it's the Weed Science download site in my signature at the bottom of each of my posts. I have to page 44 of this thread uploaded into the ebook, the thread will always be there for everyone whenever they want it. This is one of the simple things that I've made dozens of emails and posts about - insert a first post in this thread that directs people to the ebook so they don't have to wade through this labyrinth to find the simple information that they need to do a project. An Index for Weed Science in my first post, download the ebook chapters from there as needed. I'm not asking to run nude through the forum with a Stephen ColberT mask on, just little stuff.

For anyone who doesn't know, there is an index at the Weed Science link that organizes this thread into categories, chapters. Each chapter is downloadable with a linkable index organized by tags. I am adding a timeline index and chapter as Saladman suggested several pages ago, I just need more time. The ebook is free to anyone who might find it useful, I would be honoured if you downloaded it and used some of the equipment or techniques in your garden. This must be a little like what a singer feels like, I'd literally come to your house and help you to build equipment just to know that you are using something that I carried the baton for a length of it's development.

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I'm uploading a video slideshow now - just a rough "it's easier than uploading to tinypic" slideshow. I wanted to bring you folks up to date on a few of things that I'm working on before I take off, I've got some picture series in the video:

Root Cloning: I've solved the riddle.

Elliptical Trough Reflector: I'm building the base LED.

The Dope: I harvested the top third


Picture series of:

- cannibalizing some useless LED UFOs
- one of my beach walks at night
- my Trailer Park Boys CO2 Subcritical fluid extractor
- synching Bubba Kush's stems down for a lower CCOB profile
- root cloning Bubba Kush
- the ventilation redirection bucket and ducting system
- The Dope from harvest through to vaporizing
- The Dope running two good Volcano bags off one bowl
- Trailer Park Boys CO2 Subcritical Paintball Gun Extractor

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I find that I work best from a forum, its both a journal and my only human contact - I make a game out of seeing if I can go through the day without talking to another person while going about my normal routine. I started making my own coffee to avoid both inconsistent Tim Horton's coffee and repeating my order twice and getting the wrong coffee anyway. It saves me about $20 a day including muffins and a Turkey Bacon sandwich.

As well I'm giving up my interest in my business to develop The Academy full time, my philosophy is that this project must eventually fund itself so I'm going to approach businesses within the marijuana community concerning their affiliate referral programs - if someone is buying a pack of Kali Mist because of the 7000+ views of my Spectrum Of Effects Report, or a pack of Jack The Ripper from the +2500 views, a seed bank could benefit from a link button in my thread. The reader could use my name as a discount code and perhaps get a free seed, the seed bank would know that the referral is from me because of the code.

I'm developing the root pruning pots to include a root tip harvester for root cloning. I believe that I mentioned above my embarressing realization that the roots that I was trying to clone were sans tips because of our root pruning buckets. When I made the root pruning cups and 6" pots without the fabric, and saw the tips growing out, eventually my mind kicked in - when you kill the tip the root stops growing. The root tip is like a stem cell, the top node of a clone cutting. The roots that I was trying to clone, woody stems.

I was too embaressed to tell anyone here ... its one of those things that make me want to palm face into a tree instead of a palm. I'm thinking either Air Pots or Root Stim as a partner for root cloning pots, unless someone here wants to make them then I'll help you design and build a gang drill for the holes and a bucket indenter for the root tip harvester. We'll make two models, one as we use now and a second with a clam shell cover bucket for people unable to lift the Hole Bucket from the cover. Simple. I want a penny a bucket sold, I won't budge on that. Maybe two cents for three buckets, I hate for anyone to think that I don't have two sense to rub together.

The ETL, I've got 3 good vaporizer designs in Weed Science - The Piker gives better hits than any direct draw on the market. Idiot proof it and it'll be the best vaporizer in the world. Half the power usage, half the time to heat up - magnetic induction is the perfect technology for portable and dock vaporizers. A subcritical water extractor where your expresso machine makes the solvent to replace butane - it makes the $10k I spent this summer developing my CO2 subcritical extractor almost useless except that I can use it for oil sands. Some other stuff, just looking for a very small per sale royalty - and for that I need to be working out of a large forum. This is the best forum for me, the people are great, I love it here - but I can't get a single administrator to even acknowledge that I exist to tell me to go fuck myself.

I really don't want anything from them ... and if they even get a hundredth of a cent per view for my threads they're at least paying for coffee. I think its a fair trade, if someone bought me coffee and asked nothing in return I'd ... why I'd wonder what they were up to. What their game was.

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christ hobbes wtff dude hahahahaha we waited so friggin long for that hahah

good luck in your academy endeavour man.

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I know, it was a ridiculously idiotic oversight. I feel like such a hippie.

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Root Clone Test

Alcohol Tincture

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Thank you Don and NL3004! I put this together for you folks tonight, it chronicals my etrernal struggle against the hippie menace. I couldn't get very many posters in even with a 10 minute song. NL the posters are in my Grow Lab thread if there are any that you want to download, they start on page

I've got 50 pages of Holy Carvings (picture hieroglyphs) hidden away at Jon Stewarts forum, I'm going to make those into posters some day. In the spring I became obsessed with non verbal communication and spent 6 weeks in seclusion on Jon's Funny Stuff forum because I figured that no one but no one would go there looking for something funny except by accident.

Baaa zing! Don't forget to tip your waitresses folks, I'll be here until I get my threads deleted. Now for my stinging mamba song.

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This is a beautiful song, to listen to it uninterupted click on the Only In Dreams video link at the bottom of this post and my Vimeo page will come up. Start the video then pause it and surf the web for 5 minutes while the video loads. I believe that the video can be downloaded from Vimeo as well if you'd like the Adajio For Strings on your computer or want a full page video to read the posters. One of the most beautiful songs ever written, this version is from Gershwin's album so it's sans that god awful helicopter chopping and Charlie Sheen's monologue. Just peace.

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Weed Science

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Much in life doesn't make sense to me, like a dance who's steps I can memorize but the purpose seems to be to dance as fast as one can. My mind freezes on the WHY people work the way they do and I don't achieve the results that I intend. Marijuana gardening has been the first thing in my life that has been entirely under my control, including my mind. The simple logic of physics and biology are sometimes head bangingly frustrating, but they are always simple and logical, and once deciphered pedestrian.

Not only the produce, but the procedure of my garden has given me control of my mind and a slowly increasing influence of the world around me - yet I'm completely bewildered at the simplest motivation of another human being. The moderators on RUI have never been anything but the most kind to me, civil and helpful in every way - denying no reasonable request while asking nothing in return. If there is a hippie on RUI it is me - I want something from you, not the moderators, and I have not been able to find out how to provide you with fair trade without asking directly.

For those who've been following the thread for sometime, (Saladman, Shortbus, J.Cun, Mae, and too many others to mention) you may have noticed that I don't ask for help easily, I'm asking now. Everything in this thread has been given freely with no obligation of remuneration, I am humbly asking for your help:

1. Watch Hobbes 11:9 (Adajio For Strings). If the video evokes an emotional response please post and tell me about it - good or bad. If you're offended by some parts that is important for me to know as well - the video is a work in progress, intended first for you and later for the larger community. I need feedback about what the video says to you. If someone posts a negative comment - PLEASE - do not respond. I am asking for the negative comments. As well, its time for us to fight the good fight - to save every resource for the important battles, not the ones that go away when our monitor is turned off.

2. Tell your friends about the video, email them my video page URL (Only In Dreams - signature section of post) and ask them to drop into the thread. Marijuana grower or tea toddler, we need everyone but the hippie.

3. Copy and paste the message at the bottom of this post to the RIU contact address at the bottom of this post, add a few words of your own if you like. Ask your friends to do the same. We need a forum to expand Crop Circle Of Bud, I'm at the point in technology and technique that I'm comfortable brining in people from outside of our thread - people who haven't had the time to absorb what we are doing and why simple simple changes in environmental variables can make such huge changes in results.

I need to be able to license CCOB technology so The Academy can benefit from the sale of products and marijuana seeds that the tens of thousands of views of our thread can provide. The Academy must at sometime support itself, this is central to the CCOB philosophy. At this point in time my only resource to finance The Academy is you, not from your money (I wouldn't / can't take a dime) but from the sale of seeds and technology that the success of your grows will bring.

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Please copy and paste this message to the RUI contact email below.

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I support the formation of a Crop Circle Of Bud sub forum for the purpose of developing techniques and alternative technology for refugees and developing countries. Please contact Hobbes in the Grow Lab thread in the Newbie forum.

Thank you

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I'm new to growing, flowering my second run, vegging my third, and (hopefully) cloning my fourth. Since I'm new to cloning, I have done alot of reading and decided to get rooting hormone for my cuttings. To address this thread with a question(I didn't read all 11 pagea), would dipping your roots in rooting hormone speed up this process?

The reason I would like to do this is so I can have(possibly) hundreds of cuttings for clone and that would allow me to give them to a HUGE number of fellow MMJ patients such as myself that are trying to grow and become self-sufficient with their medicine. I can only IMAGINE the good a process like this would allow. Ad in local paper: "Attn. MMJ card-holders! Free clones available! (XXXX) strains available!"

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Budlover your post is going in Weed Science, an ebook linked in the signature section at the bottom of this post. There will eventually be an index searchable by RIU member names, you'll be able to find your contributions quickly.

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Index: Root Cloning

Tags: cloning, roots, free

RIU: Budlover

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"would dipping your roots in rooting hormone speed up this process?"

I believe that it would, I'm testing now with an equal amount of root tips - I'll post pictures when I see cotyledon. I'm doing side by side runs with all of my strains and I'll record and post results.

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"The reason I would like to do this is so I can have(possibly) hundreds of cuttings for clone and that would allow me to give them to a HUGE number of fellow MMJ patients such as myself that are trying to grow and become self-sufficient with their medicine. I can only IMAGINE the good a process like this would allow. Ad in local paper: "Attn. MMJ card-holders! Free clones available! (XXXX) strains available!"

Excellent thinking Budlover!!! Beware of the hippies, by helping others for free you have made it on their hit list. You may collapse the overpriced clone industry .... make a bullet proof vest out of duct tape right quick!

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{DIY Duct Tape Bullet Proof Vest poster coming soon - please check back in, everyone in the thread should have one to protect themselves and their loved ones from The Hippie Menace.

Remember: The only time a hippie is competent is when they're hurting other people. In the arena of misery the hippie is the consolidated heavy weight champion of the world.}

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I have the same concept of buckets of free and easy clones for our Crop Circle Of Bud project, a portable but high yield vegetable growing system being developed for refugees who may have to move their gardens if they have to pick up camp. A community bucket of cheap and easy sprout clones takes the fear from learning gardening - with a supply of unlimited clones a dead plant is just a dead plant, not a starving child.

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Another possible use for root clones could be to create a genetic chain for auto flowering plants. We still have to see the genetic age of root sprouts, the only batch of root clones that I did were from late flowering sativas. But .... time is on my side

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I support the formation of a Crop Circle Of Bud sub forum for the purpose of developing techniques and alternative technology for refugees and developing countries. Please contact Hobbes in the Grow Lab thread in the Newbie forum.

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lol hobbes has gone off the reservation....

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Was never on reservation. Free range Hobbes.

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