Root gel and some experiments

panhead said:

Heck,as soon as i saw your results i knew i was doing it,im going to tomorrow on several plants,im going to mark them to see what happens compared to the rest.

Im pretty excited about this

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I took 5 tablespoons of root tone & mixed it with the nute water this morning & fed some of them,im going to repeat this once a week,we'll see.

I also scraped the stems of 4 rooted clones & put paste on them,again we'll see,i got a feeling its gonna be sweet.

i put some on a small clone last night. around the base of the stalk. this morning the leaves are curling under slightly. it definitely did something.

fdd2blk said:

i put some on a small clone last night. around the base of the stalk. this morning the leaves are curling under slightly. it definitely did something.

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Hmmm,i hope i see a change that quick,now i wish i woulda took a pic to compare against in a few days.

crazy thread clone gel on the plant good luck cant wait 2 see how this turns out i have a plant in a rez that is damn near dead if not dead. i will throw some powder in the rez

After about 12 hours of rooting gel branches and bend: on the places that i overgooped it with gel it left a lil whiteness that easily rubbed off, the places where I didnt goop to bad absorbed right in......So ill let you know if tonite or tomorrow I experience any fattening of the branches...

hey fdd et all.....
friday night when i was needlessly repotting my big girl, I thought at first that I was going to be bringing the soil up higher on the main stem and I had one really healthy stray branch down there...so I cut it and threw it in some water while did other gardening chores....by the time I got done I was eh didnt really feel like cutting the branch down and making clones...and thought tomorrow when it starts to droop I will cut it up and set it up w/ my clones...so now we are to Tuesday morning and the thing hasnt drooped a bit...I have a philadandron stem that had broke off and I had put in water on the kitchen window sil and i change out the water every few days to keep it fresh so last nite Im like hell if this stragggler in the cup is goin to keep on I need to change the water out...so i got to change the water and the damn part of the stem that is in water is developing roots....which made me giggle like a mad scientist...so i smeared some rooting gel around them and threw it back in the water....still looks great today.....lol lol by thursday I think youll be able to see the roots enough for the camera to get a pics lol lol he he ha ha ho ho ill tell you more as it goes on..

this was yesterday........

the stalk was straight before i applied the gel. i only applied it at the bottom 1/4 inch. it seems to have travel up thru the main stalk.

lol lol, one the branches I did on my big girl did seem a little fatter...im still watchin ...but hell I bend and tie that plant so much id never know if it was not straight lol

I wonder if panhead had any results w/ the rooting powder water...cuz if so ill go get some poweder to put in my branch water cup..

I always add KLN Dynagrow rooting concentrate 1 tsp per gallon, all the way through the grow. I had a bad transplant awhile back and I used the rooting stuff to stabilize it a little, and then just kept adding it. The root system on this thing was INCREDIBLE! It filled a 5 gallon bucket twice! I had to cut the roots halfway through the grow just to make room. Im experimenting now with using the KLN in soil.

Sounds like rooting compound is turning out to be the viagra of the plant world......................

fdd2blk said:

just the main stalk. it's all swollen. three times the size of the other ones.

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Now if this is a dumb question forgive me but i was under the impression that root stimulators and cloning gel or powders are different and for different purposes. Dont stimulators help already formed roots and cloning gel/powder help roots grow with hormones or something????

moving this to the advanced forum. just because.

The DynaGrow KLN that I use is a liquid. It says on the bottle it's for "propagation of cuttings" meaning cloning, and to promote vigorous root growth , and to prevent transplant shock. I love the stuff. I really believe that it helps cover alot of mistakes I've made while growing.

you know fdd the only thing I miss about living in arkansas is weeping willow trees,
ive got buddy who grows there and makes his own rooting hormones from the weeping willow that would be so cool to me...ima have to go there and get a tree and get it going here on my patio....i could go crazy mad scientist messin w/ that stuff

Very cool data. Are you noticing any retardation of primary growth (or flowering, for those who have used rooting supplements all the way through)? I've read cautions against adding too much rooting/transplant supplement once vegetative growth begins to accelerate, as too much hormone can apparently inhibit growth.

From Cervantes Indoor/Outdoor Medical Growers Bible:

You can also spray clones with a single foliar spray of dilute IBA (50 - 90 ppm). Be careful to spray just enough to cover leaves. Spray should not drip off leaves. An IBA overdose slows growth, makes leaves dwarf, and could even kill the clone.

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(p. 47)

Although, later on, he says this:

Once established, plants should be treated at three- to five-week intervals during the growing season. After harvest, IBA can be used to encourage regeneration of flowers.

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(p. 289)

Some experts claim that these compounds shouldn't be used in transplants or maturing plants at all, only for cloning--as in cloning, you want to arrest primary/secondary growth in favor of new lateral root growth. Conversely, apparently Vitamin B1 on its own doesn't do much--you need hormones (NAA and/or IBA auxins) and ferts (N) for any real effect and over-application of hormones may lead to adverse effects. To drive the point home, some commercial herbicides are actually massive overdoses of synthetic auxins.

Some links from my grab bag for those interested:

Botany online: Plant hormones - Phytohormones

Selecting and Using Plant Growth Regulators on Floricultural Crops

http: // web.archive.org /web / 20061031031003 / home.cc.umanitoba.ca /~umrahm04 /39.768/P2/P2.html
("Auxin Regulates the Initiation and Radial Position of Plant Lateral Organs" ; delete the spaces in the link, the parser is mangling it)

39.768 Plant Mol. Genet. - Lecture 18, part 1 of 3
(The lecture index page, for those who want to go down the rabbit hole: http://web.archive.org/web/20060505053137/www.umanitoba.ca/afs/plant_science/COURSES/39-768/lectures.html )

http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%20Chalker-Scott/Horticultural%20Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin%20B1.pdf


[These next two are controlled studies on plant growth hormone and require JSTOR access, try it from a college or public library.]

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-9122(194102)28:2%3C163:TEOVGS%3E2.0.CO;2-R

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-9122(193907)26:7%3C557:TIORGB%3E2.0.CO;2-W



Does vitamin B1 help transplants take root?

Chemicals
(See the 'Auxin Mimics' section for info on hormonal herbicides)

Herbicide Resistant Weeds

maccabee....its just an experiment on extra plants we have... its just fun to experiement, Im certainly not rubbing cloning gel all over for the duration of the grow it was just a fluke that fdd found and now a few of us are playin w/ it...

pinksensa said:

maccabee....its just an experiment on extra plants we have... its just fun to experiement, Im certainly not rubbing cloning gel all over for the duration of the grow it was just a fluke that fdd found and now a few of us are playin w/ it...

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Yeah, and I dig it! The pics speak for themselves. I'm going to do it myself when I can scrounge up some gel. I've just been reading up on hormones and PGRs lately and thought I'd share some of the information I've found, as apparently it's rather important not to over apply these chemicals. I threw in the info on B-1 as it's often used in cloning or transplanting.

I didn't mean to crit anyone with a wall of text, I just get excited about experimentation.

hey Mcabee, what is your avatar?

Not on cannabis in particular but when i took a cutting from my Salvia plant before, i rubbed cloning gel on the mother where i took the cutting. The main difference was it seemed unaffected by the cutting where as in the past there would be a bit of browning. I haven't experimented with it at all. But this thread has intrigued me. Well done

Maccabee said:

Yeah, and I dig it! The pics speak for themselves. I'm going to do it myself when I can scrounge up some gel. I've just been reading up on hormones and PGRs lately and thought I'd share some of the information I've found, as apparently it's rather important not to over apply these chemicals. I threw in the info on B-1 as it's often used in cloning or transplanting.

I didn't mean to crit anyone with a wall of text, I just get excited about experimentation.

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no doubt and Im going to totally print what you wrote to put in my paper journal my eyes just cross sometimes when i see some much text in a thread...sorry I coulda been sweeter and im glad your experimenting w/ us..