Round 2 Vertical: 2400 watts, Hydro AND Soil: Agent Orange, Trainwreck, Sour Diesel

haha funny thing is i dont even have any bubble bags or anything.. judging by the amount of trim i am going to have i think they may be in order

you can make gumby hash with items you already have. or get a honey bee oil extractor for like $60. either one of these will be hella cheaper than buying bags. i havent looked recently, but i couldnt find a set of bags for less than $150.

honey bee oil extractor huh? never heard of that i will have to look into it

just checked it out... yes the old butane and pipe method.. does work well but i have heard that you get more out of it by doing the bubble bag method.. anyone ever heard of this?

FLoJo said:

just checked it out... yes the old butane and pipe method.. does work well but i have heard that you get more out of it by doing the bubble bag method.. anyone ever heard of this?

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yea ... fdd says he makes the bubble hash(w bags) .. and then puts hash in the extractor if he wants oil

Just found your thread..wow.. I'll be watching as it's a method I've thought about..Question..At the beginning you said for the Diesel that it would be 22 weeks..really? Why for? I ask because I've got Red Diesel, and if it takes that long, I've got to build a new room!

22 weeks? i donno where i said that.. musta been a typo if i did. its a 10-12 week strain max depending on your pheno.. mine is looking like a 10 weeker

roll with the bags Flo...much cleaner hash and you get different grades.

i know Glass Roots has 5 & 7 bag systems...i picked up the 5 last grow round...hit me up when you get all your trim in order and you can use them if you dont wanna drop $200-300 on a set

FLoJo said:

just checked it out... yes the old butane and pipe method.. does work well but i have heard that you get more out of it by doing the bubble bag method.. anyone ever heard of this?

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bubble bags are expensive but they are worth it for the amount of trim you will have honestly...especially if youre going to continue to use this setup

gumby hash is a much cheaper method but honestly wouldnt be worth it to you. it would take way too long and not produce as quality hash. the gumby method is much more useful for someone who is has a small grow op and not a whole lot of trim

also you can get bubble bags for much cheaper than 150 on ebay
heres a 4 bag 5 gallon set(generic brand) for 60 bucks: link
just look around on there and you can find some pretty good deals

if the cost of the bubble bags is too much for you then you can always make bubble buckets. just get a bunch of buckets that fit into each other. cut out the bottoms. replace with various size screens.(sorry there was a tut on here a while ago. seems that the search function is down for now. maybe someone on here has a link or knows what im talking about.)

edit: also the butane method doesnt produce hash...its makes bho. these are two different things. bho is a liquid while hash is a solid.

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and whitenugz, yes I did build it myself from common products from home depot and lowes type stores. the only things i had to buy seperately was the watering system which i bought from an irrigation supply company, and the white buckets, pumps and res, which i got from the hydro store you can see how i built it in this thread

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/145799-going-vertical-construction-monster.html

FLo

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thanks for that response I will definatly be mimicing this process. Truthfully friends say my growing process is genius then i showed them this and they all shit themselves. twice.

Also i've never attempted hydro i've only stuck with soil and the root systems for my 3-4 footers fill a 3 gallon bucket nicely. Your babies look like 2-4 feet, so how do those 1-3 liter containers support the root systems? I know its an amatuer question but from other hydro builds i've seen the root systems are pretty large.

i have wanted to get bags for a while now.. i just am lazy and dont like ordering that kinda shit off the net.. i didnt know glass roots had em funk, ill have to pick some up for sure!!

and thanks for the correction icepik

and white, as far as root mass is concerned.. i feel like it is not as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. I have seen huge plants grown in small pots with no problem.. if the plant has enough oxygen and nutrients, then the roots will not be a problem.

it is the same school of thought with hydro, although in soil it is harder to get oxygen to the roots. if you look at my hydro setup, the root masses are all smaller than a fist, yet some of these plants are going to put off close to 2 oz.. they get fed every couple of hours with an exacting amount of nutrients and oxygen, so they dont need a large root mass. large roots are meant in nature so that the plant can seek out water and nutrients from long distances from the plant. when you are giving it everything it is not as important...

that being said, as you can see i suck balls at growing in dirt LOL i have had a nitrogen def. since probably the 4th or 5th week, so i know my yields have suffered. i personally find hydro much easier to maintain.. there is no guess work. you put in watter, add the proper amount of nutrients.. check the ppms, adjust the ph, and top off with water daily until next change.. nothing to difficult.. in fact this is only the second time i have grown in dirt.. the other time was the very first grow i did, and once i went hydro, i never turned back... i only did it on this grow due to circumstances beyond my control haha!

hope my rambling made some kind of sense

FLo

FLoJo said:

22 weeks? i donno where i said that.. musta been a typo if i did. its a 10-12 week strain max depending on your pheno.. mine is looking like a 10 weeker

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Whew.. I know that a Vietnamese takes 14-16 weeks., and one of them even has a "Black Box" warning..Known to cause extreme paranoia in the beginner or novice smoker. Damn..I want some...

hey flo whats the chances we could get a pic of 1 whole plant away from the rest so i can see how big each one is one of your dirt plants would be cool
it is hard to tell where one begins and the others end lol
i guess thats a good thing

It made all the sense in teh world. Thanks man.
Sorry for so many questions but what kinda pump did you use to be able to push the water through 80 plants and 3 rows. Didn't some plants get more water or higher amounts of pressure than other plants? Was there any plants that were low on water? Pretty much how did you allocate the water to each plant using a single pump?

My understanding is you put the end of the pump tube at the top and let gravity go to the buttom plants but was it really allocated to each plant equally? If so what pumps are you using and what is the reseviour size?

Hey boston, I will be chopping in a few days and taking some more pics so i will take out a couple of the soilers so you can see the difference between them and the hydro.. its a huge difference, partially due to my incompetence as a soil grower haha.

whitenugz, the pump is the largest one in the eco line, i cant remember what the specs are exactly but it was the 150 dollar one.. the thing is that you do not need a huge pump as long as you use a larger diameter hose so that there is less strain on the pump.. i use a 1 inch diameter hose with a custom fitting i made from home depot so that the pump can use the maximum amount of power and is not constricting..

as far as controlling the flow it is quite simple. i pump the water to the top, which is the hardest part, and then let gravity feed the rest of them. in order to make sure that there is even flow between each plant, i have 1/4inch in-line adjustable flow valves so that each plant can be individually controlled. i got the all of the irrigation hoses and flow valves from an online irrigation supply company here in california. the res size is only 40 gallons, so when it is pumping about half of the water is running through the system, which makes it extremeley important to keep the res topped off.. i guess it is a good thing because it forced me to be on top of it every day.

here are the valves
http://www.dripirrigation.com/drip_irrigation_info.php?cPath=35&products_id=65

basically i used a hose punch to poke holes in the 1 inch hose, then used the 1/4 inch fittings to connect a hose to, and split the hose and put the valve in the middle.

here is the punch
http://www.dripirrigation.com/drip_irrigation_info.php?products_id=520

here is the connector which, after you punch the hole, put one end into the 1inch tubing, and connect your 1/4 inch tubing on the other side
http://www.dripirrigation.com/drip_irrigation_info.php?cPath=37_131&products_id=1273

then you connect the valve in the middle of your 1/4 inch tubing and run it to your pots. this way you can control the flow from each individual pot!

and here is the pump i use
http://www.horticulturesource.com/product_info.php/products_id/882

FLo

as far as root mass is concerned.. i feel like it is not as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be

thank you for this comment..when using coco or grow rocks.. you can have great yields from very small pots just look at ebb tables you can have a huge yielder in a 6x6 perfect pot.. which is less than a half gallon...

and use a coco 1 inch coco mat 4x4 and you can grow 10 foot stalks of corn...j/k... well I bet it could be done...

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So, those circular devices on each 1/4 tube comming off the main 1 inch tube is this picture right here of the adjustable valve? Is there anything you would refine in your technique if you had a second chance with this build? Man you really put all variables into aspect here. Man i wish i could give you + 100 rep or something this shit is on point. Any chance you are an engineer major or just handy man Flo?

Genetics: Hahaha, your location is funny. Ya, i'm a soil grower but wanna go bigger/smaller like Flo. I have the room but i'm using soil; i can only stick around 20 matures in there so i'll be moving to hydro soon. I can get good yeilds but i gotta use big plants and big pots. Haha the ones i'm playng with now are all around 5-6 footers with only like 1 Cola per plant( gigantic buds ). I don't like how it is compared to this build but it's efficient for my 2nd grow. I do have pictures of my first grow but it's ugly because i let them grow like a europeans girls armpit hair. I had nute burn, heat burn, and no manicuring because of the space. They were very ugly trees. Smoked so harsh but got you sooooooooo stoned. Almost an addicting high. But after manicuring post harvest we of course could make them alittle more pretty. This was like a "popcorn bud" i couldn't ever get to to cut off so we fast dried it to smoke in a Blunt when we were out.

yes sir you got it.. thats exactly what them little buggers are. they are a blessing i cant even begin to tell you. even in the beginning when some are smaller than others you can regulate the flow so they get just enough water then crank em up when they get large.

haha and thanks for the compliments, no i am not an engineering major or anything like that.. just a normal guy who knows how to use some tools and has spent too much time working on houses and reading on the net. I wish i could take credit for this design but it was inspired by a guy named Heath Robinson.. he is the godfather of growing vert and without his projects i never would have been able to concieve something like this.

and if i could go back and do it again, yes there would definitely be some things i would change...

first of all i would probably build two seperate systems, which wrap around each set of bulbs completely. this would allow me to have more plants per system, and increase the yield and the gpw ratio.

second of all i would put my gutters at more of an incline.. as it is now they are slanted pretty well but i do get some stagnant water in some of the corners.. by the end of the grow it starts to get a tad bit of algae and salt deposits and makes it a bitch to clean..

I would also put a little less space between levels.. as it is now they are about 24 inches apart, and i have to veg them for a couple weeks before flowering.. if i could go back i would make it about 16-18 inches, and add another level..

also probably the last thing i would do, which isnt really a change to this system, but rather a new system completely, is to build it so that instead of having pots for each plant to sit in, i would have 6in pvc tubing with holes cut in it to put the plants into.. i would then use an extremely high powered pump (like 3-5k gph) and run a NFT setup that is constantly running.. chemcical nutes and a high dose of h202 and that sucker would be beastly!

good questions.. glad you guys are interested! keep em comin!

FLo

so you would prefer the pvc like heath's wouldnt you lose the ability to cater to individual plants like you do with your adjustible valves? or would it not mater to much

yes i would prefer the pvc style system for a few reasons...

first of all trying to clean out all the pots and rocks after each grow is a huge pain in my ass.. with a pvc system simply run a strong dose of clearex and h202 followed by some enzymes and you are set for your next grow.

secondly, you wouldnt have to worry about the flow to each individual plant because instead of having 85 tubes to fuck with and check, you only have one large one.

third, although root mass is not a big deal in this kind of system, you are still limiting the root mass growth by having individual containers.. in a pvc style system you basically give the plants unlimited root potential, so once they have enough they will just stop growing em..

the problems i can forsee with the pvc style system is that if you get any kind of root disease it will be nearly impossible to remove any particular infected plant due to the fact that they will all be intertwined.. also i could see the possibility that if your nute solituion is not strong enough, the plants at the end of the pvc could in theory recieve less nutes than the ones at the top of the system.. having a strong nute mix will ensure this will not happen. i could also see the possibility that if your plants became too big and healthy (if there is such a thing) that if you do not design your system well, that you could end up having roots that build up in corners, and could slow if not stop the flow of nutes.

all these problems can be overcome with some foreward thought and planning.. its all about making the better mouse trap.

FLo