Running 24/0 vs. 18/6

HiOnHydro

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So when i first joined on roll it up my first question arose about lighting. I had originally planned on using 18/6 until i found that there were a lot of people on the fence/ telling me to run 24/0 for the first week or two then switch over. Recently in another thread i saw a post that strongly backed up running 18/6 from start of veg on with proven results.

So my question is, what does every prefer to run and why?
or whether there would be a dramatic enough of a difference to truly argue the point?

Thanks to anyone who can provide me with some input...
 

mannurse801

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They both work fine. I like 24/0 for 2-3 weeks, then switch to 18/6. The 24 hours really prevents stretching and promote shot internodal space, ultimately, more bud sites... Has it been proven.. not to my knowledge...
 

laserbrn

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They both work fine. I like 24/0 for 2-3 weeks, then switch to 18/6. The 24 hours really prevents stretching and promote shot internodal space, ultimately, more bud sites... Has it been proven.. not to my knowledge...
The only real "evidence" that I have seen thus far is to watch time lapse videos of plants growing in both types of lighting.

When the plant is under light the leaves are reaching up and the plant is storing the energy, when those lights go out the leaves drop down a little and the new growth EXPLODES.

I say start with 24/0 and switch to 18/6 once you get alternating nodes. But these are things you will decide for yourself when you've done enough grows and know what you like.
 

HiOnHydro

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I am not a believer in a 24/0 light cycle at any time. While under sunlight/grow lights plants will take in energy from the light rays but the plants will split that energy up for multiple uses, they basically are multitasking. That means a smaller percentage of absorbed energy goes to actual growth. During darkness plants ‘run’ on stored energy and they shut down functions/energy uses other than what goes for growth. Your plants grow more efficiently during hours of darkness than they do during hours of light.

Hours of darkness are very beneficial to plant growth at every stage of growth. That is when they grow the most efficiently. That is not an opinion but instead proven fact. Use an 18/6 light cycle and your plants will be better off and you will get better growth, more efficient growth and you will cut your energy consumption too.
That is the post that got me confused on how i was to be running my system...
 

TeaTreeOil

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Marijuana doesn't require darkness until flowering(some strains, autoflowers, not even then).

The plant does into reserve mode during darkness, growing and replenishing. You'll often see light green new growth after periods of 4 hours or more of darkness.

There don't seem to be plant-specific benefits of 24 hour light over 18/6. Maybe inhibit mold growth better? Over water and it'll help dry it out a bit quicker -humidity allowing.

I'm trying 12/4 light/dark. My plants seem happier so far over 24/0.
 

HiOnHydro

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16 hour 'days' for my plants. 10.5 'days' per 7 Earth days. Experimenting is fun.
Do you have a journal going for that because thats sounds very interesting and i would like to follow in on that as it goes... it would be exciting to see an experiment like that
 

halfcomputerman

Active Member
i've heard 20/4 is the best light schedule for vegetative growth.

when the light is on the plant is gathering energy and growing a little.

when the light is off the plant does it's fastest growing, but due to the lack of a source of energy it can only grow based on what it has left for it it's reserves.

so the optimal light would be 20/4

but then again i'm assuming off something i've read in the past
 

DookeyNugs408

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24/0 till u flower dont switch to 18/6 if u already been doing 24/0 u might flower ur plant early..right makes sense to me, im doing 24/0 till flowering or i heard give it 18hrs with whatever light u got and 6 with a uvb light..i got my 600w plus a lil uvb snake light which is key to growing plants...all plants outdoor get uvb from the sun and the best chronic in the world is from countries wit the highest amounts of uvb
 

TeaTreeOil

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I figure they're designed for rest periods with clouds, bigger objects, etc.... 12/4 has been working out well these past few days. I'm currently about 3:15:00 away from dawn.

There's no control test... and it's from seed.... so i figure a journal would be misleading and only serve to misinform.
 

HiOnHydro

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24/0 till u flower dont switch to 18/6 if u already been doing 24/0 u might flower ur plant early..
switching over from 24/0 to 18/6 isn't enough of a change to make the plant think it is time to flower... its when you reduce your light time to 12/12 that its enough of a change that the plant will know its time to flower and it takes about two weeks of the light change for the plant to recognize that its beginning flowering.
The 24 hour dark period in between your veg and flower will help let the plant speed up the process of thinking its time to flower. Under those circumstances you will begin to see flowers within 7-10 days with the 24 hour darkness as apposed to just switching over to the 12/12. if you just switch directly to 12/12 thats when it will take a couple weeks to show flower...

HoH:leaf:
 

mannurse801

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Yup, switching to 18/6 then to 12/12 is an easier transition for plants, simulation shorter days progressively... Of course there is never 24 hour days unless you live near the poles, but this gradual decrease isn't as big a shock as going 24/0 to 12/12
 

DookeyNugs408

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so u guys put ur plants on 24/0 then switch it to 18/6 then 12/12??? wtf i give it 24/0 till flowering then 48 hours of dark then 12/12 i think if u going wit 24/0 stick wit it i wouldnt change to 18/6
 

mannurse801

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It eases the plants into the flowering process. 18/6 will in no way put the plant into flower, it just tells it to get ready, the days are getting shorter...
 

Brick Top

New Member
Marijuana doesn't require darkness until flowering(some strains, autoflowers, not even then).

There is a difference between something being required and something being beneficial.

During hours of darkness sugars that are stored up in roots are processed for plant growth. During daylight hours the light rays taken in by the leaves are diverted for numerous tasks, including storing energy for use during hours of darkness, and a lesser percentage of total light taken in during daylight hours goes for growth than the percentage of stored energy that is used for growth during hours of darkness. Plants use their stored energy during hours of darkness much more efficiently for growth than they use light rays taken in during hours of light.

Periods of light and dark are part of a natural cycle for plants, something that is in their genetic code and something they ‘expect." Altering that goes against what they ‘want’ to do naturally and is against what they are genetically coded to do.

I have know people who run a 24/0 light cycle and they say they do get faster vegging but in the end they are talking about shortening the vegging time by a few days at the most. The cost of running your lights the additional time more than offsets the small possible gain.

If some dramatic timesaving would happen that allowed someone to add another grow or two a year it, especially if they were growing for profit, it would be worth doing but that is just not the case.

As it is using a 24/0 light cycle forces plants to grow in an unnatural condition where they are not growing at their overall maximum efficiency in relation to light provided and also power consumption and it is making them work against their genetic coding.

What small positive benefits that might possibly be the result of using a 24/0 light cycle are more than offset by the negatives of using a 24/0 light cycle.

Something else to consider is that plants can only absorb/process so much light. That will of course increase very slightly with each days additional growth but there will always be a limit to how much light even a full grown plant can absorb and process and anything above and beyond that is wasted light and wasted energy and increased heat and longer periods of heat.

Consider the following. The reason tropical marijuana is more powerful than northern strains is because of the difference in the time required to trigger flowering, as well as the difference in the photoperiod. The difference in the maximum summer light available and the minimum flowering period.

It is clear that plants that grow closest to the equator have the highest concentrations of THC. Close to the equator, the longest "summer" days are approximately 13 hours, while the minimum "winter" sunlight was still 11 hours. Plants from these areas contain far greater concentrations of THC than the high latitude varieties, where the summers are 15-18 hours and the winters only six to nine hours, depending on latitude.

Northern outdoor grown pot is big and looks good, but it doesn't come close to equatorials like Jamaican tropical Lamb's Bread in its stoniness. Commercial sinsemilla is also inferior. It also looks great and smells delicious, but it just doesn't have the same kick. The long days of the high latitude summers are detrimental to THC production.

Connoisseurs should give their plants no more than what keeps them from flowering 14 hours of light and cut it back to 11 hours during flowering for the best kick-ass sinse you can possibly get.

Personally I in part disagree with the last line and do not believe that going as long as 18 hours is detrimental to plant growth. I use an 11 hour night myself during flowering but I do not see the additional 4 hours during vegging as harming anything but the above is what is considered to be optimal according to what is natural for plants and what best matches their genetic coding and allows them to grow in the way they most ‘want’ to grow and are most ‘comfortable’ while growing.

The very best thing a grower can do is to attempt to duplicate the maximum optimal outdoors conditions in an indoor environment and that of course includes hours of darkness.

That is not something that is only an opinion. That comes from four family members with botany degrees and decades of experience on my part added in plus research.
 

KushCanuck

Well-Known Member
There is a difference between something being required and something being beneficial.

During hours of darkness sugars that are stored up in roots are processed for plant growth. During daylight hours the light rays taken in by the leaves are diverted for numerous tasks, including storing energy for use during hours of darkness, and a lesser percentage of total light taken in during daylight hours goes for growth than the percentage of stored energy that is used for growth during hours of darkness. Plants use their stored energy during hours of darkness much more efficiently for growth than they use light rays taken in during hours of light.

Periods of light and dark are part of a natural cycle for plants, something that is in their genetic code and something they ‘expect." Altering that goes against what they ‘want’ to do naturally and is against what they are genetically coded to do.

I have know people who run a 24/0 light cycle and they say they do get faster vegging but in the end they are talking about shortening the vegging time by a few days at the most. The cost of running your lights the additional time more than offsets the small possible gain.

If some dramatic timesaving would happen that allowed someone to add another grow or two a year it, especially if they were growing for profit, it would be worth doing but that is just not the case.

As it is using a 24/0 light cycle forces plants to grow in an unnatural condition where they are not growing at their overall maximum efficiency in relation to light provided and also power consumption and it is making them work against their genetic coding.

What small positive benefits that might possibly be the result of using a 24/0 light cycle are more than offset by the negatives of using a 24/0 light cycle.

Something else to consider is that plants can only absorb/process so much light. That will of course increase very slightly with each days additional growth but there will always be a limit to how much light even a full grown plant can absorb and process and anything above and beyond that is wasted light and wasted energy and increased heat and longer periods of heat.

Consider the following. The reason tropical marijuana is more powerful than northern strains is because of the difference in the time required to trigger flowering, as well as the difference in the photoperiod. The difference in the maximum summer light available and the minimum flowering period.

It is clear that plants that grow closest to the equator have the highest concentrations of THC. Close to the equator, the longest "summer" days are approximately 13 hours, while the minimum "winter" sunlight was still 11 hours. Plants from these areas contain far greater concentrations of THC than the high latitude varieties, where the summers are 15-18 hours and the winters only six to nine hours, depending on latitude.

Northern outdoor grown pot is big and looks good, but it doesn't come close to equatorials like Jamaican tropical Lamb's Bread in its stoniness. Commercial sinsemilla is also inferior. It also looks great and smells delicious, but it just doesn't have the same kick. The long days of the high latitude summers are detrimental to THC production.

Connoisseurs should give their plants no more than what keeps them from flowering 14 hours of light and cut it back to 11 hours during flowering for the best kick-ass sinse you can possibly get.

Personally I in part disagree with the last line and do not believe that going as long as 18 hours is detrimental to plant growth. I use an 11 hour night myself during flowering but I do not see the additional 4 hours during vegging as harming anything but the above is what is considered to be optimal according to what is natural for plants and what best matches their genetic coding and allows them to grow in the way they most ‘want’ to grow and are most ‘comfortable’ while growing.

The very best thing a grower can do is to attempt to duplicate the maximum optimal outdoors conditions in an indoor environment and that of course includes hours of darkness.

That is not something that is only an opinion. That comes from four family members with botany degrees and decades of experience on my part added in plus research.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you Brick Top. I use a 24/0, 18/6, 12/12 schedule and can see clear results. I have tried grows containing 24/0 vegging plants and 18/6 vegging plants and have noticed a general improvement in the 6 additional hours of light in the preliminary stages of growth.

My schedule is as follows:
- 2 weeks of 24/0 lighting (seedlings and starts)
- 2 weeks of 18/6 (preflower, nutrient schedule begins on third week)
- 7-13 weeks of flower (strain dependant)

I do all training and pruning in the fourth week of growth, just before the switch back to 12/12 and the plants seem to really thrive under this schedule. I see an increase in growth vertically as well as increase stem vigor when the 24/0 cycle is in progress as opposed to a shorter day cycle, the plants also get a slow progression of lighting that simulates drastically shortened seasons, the time is all proportional to mother nature's seasons.

Lastly, THC is not accumulated by lighting, therefore Northern vs Tropical genetics have no bearing on THC content in plants. Genetics are the only proven gauge for THC, selective breeders and seed banks/companies are manipulating these genes now to exploit THC and terrapin values. The difference in different climates is that the plants develop different customs and repelencies, they build tolerances to heat/cold, pests, season duration, etc. I just would like the forum to have accurate information, thanks for your time. Happy growing, Peace and love everyone

KC :leaf:
 

HiOnHydro

Well-Known Member
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you Brick Top. I use a 24/0, 18/6, 12/12 schedule and can see clear results. I have tried grows containing 24/0 vegging plants and 18/6 vegging plants and have noticed a general improvement in the 6 additional hours of light in the preliminary stages of growth.

My schedule is as follows:
- 2 weeks of 24/0 lighting (seedlings and starts)
- 2 weeks of 18/6 (preflower, nutrient schedule begins on third week)
- 7-13 weeks of flower (strain dependant)

I do all training and pruning in the fourth week of growth, just before the switch back to 12/12 and the plants seem to really thrive under this schedule. I see an increase in growth vertically as well as increase stem vigor when the 24/0 cycle is in progress as opposed to a shorter day cycle, the plants also get a slow progression of lighting that simulates drastically shortened seasons, the time is all proportional to mother nature's seasons.

Lastly, THC is not accumulated by lighting, therefore Northern vs Tropical genetics have no bearing on THC content in plants. Genetics are the only proven gauge for THC, selective breeders and seed banks/companies are manipulating these genes now to exploit THC and terrapin values. The difference in different climates is that the plants develop different customs and repelencies, they build tolerances to heat/cold, pests, season duration, etc. I just would like the forum to have accurate information, thanks for your time. Happy growing, Peace and love everyone

KC :leaf:
Thanks for the solid info KC... That last post kind of confused me from other things i read but from reading some of your other posts and other peoples posts i see where you are coming from... Thanks again!
But i wouldnt' mind seeing some others add on to what KC is going with...
HoH:weed:
 
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