Rusty spots on leaves. Please help....

legallyflying

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Again, fuck ph problems and foliar feed until you get a good ph meter. That $25 Hanna all over eBay (the yellow one) is a piece of shit. Get a better Hanna model or a PH1 by ecotester. Mine holds a calibration for weeks, is waterproof, and withstands plenty of abuse.

Invest in quality gear, you generally get better, stress free results. The old adage that you get what you pay is very true for growing hardware. Nutrients is another matter altogether.
 

Jack Larson

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Could he use a folier spray with Cal-Mag? Would that bypass the lockout situation? And Improve the health of the plant until any ph issues can be worked out? Just Asking...

LF is right...invest in quality equipemnt and you'll have quality results. (I always buy the best)
 

legallyflying

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Minerals can be absorbed through the leaves. Minerals, amino acids, various hormones, the only thing that I know that doesn't pass through the leaves really well is complex carbs. in actuality, more things can be absosrbed by the leaves than the roots because they do not have to pass through a membrane called the casparian strip.

It bypasses the whole lockout issues because a ph based lockout is caused by the rooting (or nutrient if hydro PH). I don't know why you don't have to PH but I used to use liquid light which specifically says dont ph and I tested it once and it was like 9.4.
 

redeyez420

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Could he use a folier spray with Cal-Mag? Would that bypass the lockout situation? And Improve the health of the plant until any ph issues can be worked out? Just Asking...

LF is right...invest in quality equipemnt and you'll have quality results. (I always buy the best)
yeh i had the same problem i tried foliar feeding on a couple of my babys and they worked fine.i used sensi cal though.but same stuff i believe
 

legallyflying

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For what it is worth. I foliar feed twice a week all the way until the 5-6 week of flowering. Foliar is THE way to deliver micro nutes, hormones and sort chained poly sachrides (aka simple sugars, ergo carbohydrates).

Custom blend of molasses, liquid karma, calmag, and kelp extract. Apply with lights on using teaspoon of dr. bronners scent free soap per spray bottle. Basically home made "liquid light" and penetrator.
 

Jack Larson

Active Member
For what it is worth. I foliar feed twice a week all the way until the 5-6 week of flowering. Foliar is THE way to deliver micro nutes, hormones and sort chained poly sachrides (aka simple sugars, ergo carbohydrates).

Custom blend of molasses, liquid karma, calmag, and kelp extract. Apply with lights on using teaspoon of dr. bronners scent free soap per spray bottle. Basically home made "liquid light" and penetrator.
Do you know if they make an organic product that is similar to Liquid Karma? I like your spray recipe, however I am all organic.
 

legallyflying

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Do you know if they make an organic product that is similar to Liquid Karma? I like your spray recipe, however I am all organic.
Bro you need to get off the knee jerk I'm organic kick. What pray tell is inorganic in liquid karma? Its made from kelp and yucca extract? Or is it the leonardite that has your panties in a bind? leonardite is OMRI certified. Its a naturally occurring mineral in the soil. Yes, they have to acidify the material to extract the hummic acid from leonardite but there are a shit ton of organic acidifiers that can facilitate this process.

Not trying to go off on you or anything but for whatever reason, people that claim that minerals extracted from the earth are not organic really tend to piss me off. I can't think of anything more organic than the minerals of the earth. If you look at the botanicare pure blend line 90% of the contents are from naturally processed living plants. The remainder are mined minerals that are processed in various ways. They are a far far cry from the chemical ferts that some people are using. When I hear people saying that there products are not "wholly organic" or whatever I often just chalk it up to soil growers hating on the hydro folks.

due to the lack of a medium conducive to microbial reduction, hydro nutrients must be presented to the plants in a form that can be readily absorbed. Its both funny and aggravating to me when people claim that they are not organic when the companies simply used the identical microbial processes to break down the substances that people put in their organic soil mixes.


I guess my short answer is going to be kind of dickish, I did the research to find out what components were ideal in a foliar mix and now I guess I'll leave it to you to do the same.
 

Jack Larson

Active Member
Bro you need to get off the knee jerk I'm organic kick. What pray tell is inorganic in liquid karma? Its made from kelp and yucca extract? Or is it the leonardite that has your panties in a bind? leonardite is OMRI certified. Its a naturally occurring mineral in the soil. Yes, they have to acidify the material to extract the hummic acid from leonardite but there are a shit ton of organic acidifiers that can facilitate this process.

Not trying to go off on you or anything but for whatever reason, people that claim that minerals extracted from the earth are not organic really tend to piss me off. I can't think of anything more organic than the minerals of the earth. If you look at the botanicare pure blend line 90% of the contents are from naturally processed living plants. The remainder are mined minerals that are processed in various ways. They are a far far cry from the chemical ferts that some people are using. When I hear people saying that there products are not "wholly organic" or whatever I often just chalk it up to soil growers hating on the hydro folks.

due to the lack of a medium conducive to microbial reduction, hydro nutrients must be presented to the plants in a form that can be readily absorbed. Its both funny and aggravating to me when people claim that they are not organic when the companies simply used the identical microbial processes to break down the substances that people put in their organic soil mixes.


I guess my short answer is going to be kind of dickish, I did the research to find out what components were ideal in a foliar mix and now I guess I'll leave it to you to do the same.
I did not know that. I've just always used products labled organic. When I asked my local hydro shop guy about Liquid Karma, he said it was not organic. But you make some good points... I'm happy to use it, as long as there isn't any shit in it that makes you go blind!!
 
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