Sannie's SugarPunch

SpaaaceCowboy · Aug 21, 2014

I've used those cubes for clones, and they worked well....I will have to pick up more at the hydro store...

I think they called them Oragno Plugs, or Grow Plugs maybe ? But they look to be the same as those Root Riot Cubes - a spongy type of cube made out of some organic stuff I think..

Ya, I think I am going to ditch the peat pellets for the Grow Plugs...Those grow cubes retain water so much better.

Seeds aren't cheap !!!!

greasemonkeymann · Aug 21, 2014

KeizerSoze said:
When I first started germinating seeds I was horrible. I went 1/27 one time with some pretty expensive genetics. The next time I went something like 13/30. By the time I was done butchering them I had blown through about $500 worth of seeds and had about 14 sickly looking plants... I had a pretty rough and ugly start... I obviously started changing stuff up to get better and one of the things I ditched was the holes in the cup. Perhaps I should go back to it, but my current germination rate is about 85%...

I am 9/10 with C99. One of the seedlings never got her cotyledon leaves all the way open so she has had to struggle out of that. (You can see her in the front row of the pic above.) She is working her way out and I bet she catches up to the others. Very healthy and very robust. All 9 were above ground within 48 hours and 8 look great!

I am 7/10 with Tutankhamon - 5 healthy, 2 stragglers that are likely to be runts if they make it. I may have another Prima Donna on my hands...

We are getting pretty OT here so we should probably pick this conversation up off-line so we don't hi-jack the SP thread...

ahh that's interesting, never heard that method for seeds before, i thought you just spaced out on it, but ya cant argue with better germination rates. What i always do for germing seeds, is get a small coffee mug half full of water, and i leave it on my receiver amp, for my sound system, and leave the amp on for warmth, i have usually 99% success rate doing that, as soon as they crack i plant them, i don't like to wait for the tail, soon as they crack, reminds me of a dirty oyster saying high.

rory420420 · Aug 21, 2014

SpaaaceCowboy said:
I'm gettin' tired of killing seeds because the peat pellets dry out....when you plant seed in grow soil what is the temp of the grow room ?

my.methos is simple,ive changed it minutely..really wet promix bx,..sharpie hole in the promix(i use my index finger to the first knuckle..no puns guys)..cover loosely with soil..keep wet in the veg room(72-75 degrees)in a corner..i square off an area around the seed with 4 popsicle sticks so i know where it is,and to give the emerging cotes a little protection/comfort(thats the revision part..the sticks)..thats it..i have lost 8 seeds in over 2 year out of well over 75 plants.one sprouted actually but was sick from day one.ive had seeds i told myself i should throw away because of appearance and age sprout,amazing me,for i just knew i was wasting my time..
just keep em wet where they lay..good motto all around :-D

kindnug · Aug 21, 2014

SpaaaceCowboy said:
I've used those cubes for clones, and they worked well....I will have to pick up more at the hydro store...

I think they called them Oragno Plugs, or Grow Plugs maybe ? But they look to be the same as those Root Riot Cubes - a spongy type of cube made out of some organic stuff I think..

Ya, I think I am going to ditch the peat pellets for the Grow Plugs...Those grow cubes retain water so much better.

Seeds aren't cheap !!!!

Put seed in the plugs pointed side down, wet them once(spray around cube), and place it in a propagation dome. Around 3-5 days you should get sprouts (usually 3)

SpaaaceCowboy · Aug 21, 2014

kindnug said:
Put seed in the plugs pointed side down, wet them once(spray around cube), and place it in a propagation dome. Around 3-5 days you should get sprouts (usually 3)

Yepp I got a dome, and heat mat as well...I actually like soaking the seed in a shot glass for around 24 hours...It usually just cracks the seed open enough to kickstart the germination process...I don't care for the paper towel method as I think you have to be too careful not to hurt or break the taproot.

So I think I'll go shot glass, grow plug, heat mat and dome !

Amos Otis · Aug 21, 2014

Hydroburn said:
I start beans in a shotglass until they sink... about 24 hours usually... then plant about 1/2" deep in rapid rooters. I have high success, but the rapid rooters do dry out fast and have to be watered twice a day.

SpaaaceCowboy said:
I'm gettin' tired of killing seeds because the peat pellets dry out....when you plant seed in grow soil what is the temp of the grow room ?

Keep them dome-d until they're ready to plant.

Lot's of free domes....single beans and multiples. My favorites [singles] are the clear cups and lids that McDonald's uses for their yogurt fruit parfait. Multiples are found everywhere in any grocery store deli.

rory420420 · Aug 21, 2014

everyone got a method..i pieced mine together thru experience,trial and error,and old heads wisdom..guys that been growing for 30-40 years aint doing it cause they are bad at it :-)

(if they are,let them keep on..)

KeizerSoze · Aug 21, 2014

I was going to comment on germination but I have been sampling the SP tonight so I a little too wasted to be coherent. So here is my SP in flower...

Mom is 58" and babies are about 18"...

Not really sure how far along she is...

I think (hope) that she is going to be a frosty girl...

Peace,

Keizer Soze
:weed:

KeizerSoze · Aug 21, 2014

The most interesting germination method I have seen lately was from st0wandgrow I think. I forget which cubes are used but they are soaked in aloe water. I wanted to research that one a little further. I remember being very impressed by the seedlings...

KeizerSoze · Aug 22, 2014

OGEvilgenius said:
See, I really do not like handling them with a tail. You just increase the odds of doing damage IMO. The papertowel method is just bad IMO.

I don't necessarily disagree. Anytime the tail is exposed you can injure it pretty easily. But I literally never touch the seeds. I separate them when I take them out of their soaking shot glass and drop them into a second shot glass and literally pour the seed into her hole. The pouring action actually starts the burying process and I just pinch the whole shut over her and wait 48 hours.

The paper towel method was a great step for me. I was dealing with some genetics that were a bit suspect because I had to store them in some pretty crappy conditions for a few months and wasn't sure how many survived... The paper towel method allowed me to literally see what was going on with the seeds and where I was making my mistakes. That is how I learned the difference between moist an wet. Turned out some of the seeds were bad, I was over watering them and using cruddy potting soil. The paper towel method helped me figure out a lot of that stuff, but certainly not an on-going solution.

KeizerSoze · Aug 22, 2014

undercovergrow said:
i enjoyed catching up with your recent grow... you and OGE always have solid information to pass along!

your SP pics are awesome--looks like you did a great job, btw!! thanks for sharing those if i haven't said so already. i hope this next girl looks as nice as yours. definitely think the first one was a runt i was dealing with like you said and after watching this second girl grow, i am really looking forward to trying her again. she will be at day 21 tomorrow so i plan on putting a picture of her up then.

Thank you.

Pics or it isn't real...

st0wandgrow · Aug 22, 2014

KeizerSoze said:
The most interesting germination method I have seen lately was from st0wandgrow I think. I forget which cubes are used but they are soaked in aloe water. I wanted to research that one a little further. I remember being very impressed by the seedlings...

Salicylic acid is a rooting hormone. Aloe contains a good deal of it. Some people make a willow water tea (also contains salicylic acid) by snipping a shoot from a willow tree. You can also crush up an asparin and make the same type of tea. It doesn't matter what type of cube you use. I've done it with peat cubes, rockwool, etc. I personally prefer rock wool

KeizerSoze · Aug 22, 2014

rory420420 said:
i use my index finger to the first knuckle..

It's okay Rory... You can admit that it's your favorite part of popping seeds. We wont judge...

KeizerSoze · Aug 22, 2014

st0wandgrow said:
Salicylic acid is a rooting hormone. Aloe contains a good deal of it. Some people make a willow water tea (also contains salicylic acid) by snipping a shoot from a willow tree. You can also crush up an asparin and make the same type of tea. It doesn't matter what type of cube you use. I've done it with peat cubes, rockwool, etc. I personally prefer rock wool

Thanks for the great info... I'm going to be reworking my soil recipe soon. Plan on reviewing our earlier conversation about your soil recipe when I do so...

undercovergrow · Aug 22, 2014

KeizerSoze said:
... Pics or it isn't real...

okay, okay! :wink:

day 21 sugar punch along with a bodhi prayer tower also at day 21 for comparison:

they both are in the .3 gallon propagator air-pots to be up-potted to a 1-gallon tonight.

she looks like she is going to be great! need to be done by December, no later than mid-January though, so end of September or first of October i'll throw her in flower. do you all (that have recently finished growing SP) think that will be a decent amount of veg time for her? remember, my last one i did not veg but for a few weeks, i think...and she ended up being a lot smaller than i expected.

OGEvilgenius · Aug 22, 2014

I think depending on the phenotype it can stretch like crazy. You'll pull her down by December I'm sure if you start in Sept/early oct.

SpaaaceCowboy · Aug 23, 2014

st0wandgrow said:
Salicylic acid is a rooting hormone. Aloe contains a good deal of it. Some people make a willow water tea (also contains salicylic acid) by snipping a shoot from a willow tree. You can also crush up an asparin and make the same type of tea. It doesn't matter what type of cube you use. I've done it with peat cubes, rockwool, etc. I personally prefer rock wool

When you say tea....is this something you would brew ? Or just mix up, and soak the cubes ?

So this stuff really accelerates early growth ?

st0wandgrow · Aug 23, 2014

SpaaaceCowboy said:
When you say tea....is this something you would brew ? Or just mix up, and soak the cubes ?

So this stuff really accelerates early growth ?

I use 200x freeze dried aloe powder. I just mix a little in water and then soak the cubes in it for a few hours.

Does it work? My evidence is only anecdotal, but it seems to help. It's really tough to say though when dealing with seeds/seedlings. Each one is going to be different from the next so it's a little more difficult to tell IMO. Much easier to notice if a product/technique is beneficial when dealing with clones.

I wouldn't run out and buy anything, but if you have an aloe plant at home, or a willow tree near by give it a try and see what you think.

http://deepgreenpermaculture.com/diy-instructions/home-made-plant-rooting-hormone-willow-water/

SpaaaceCowboy · Aug 23, 2014

That's really cool how a willow branch placed in water will root...I actually love willow trees...They might be my favorite tree...I wonder what would happen if I took a small branch, rooted it, and tried to grow it indoors...I wonder if I could have like some mini willow tree indoors kinda like a bonsai plant or something....hahaha that would be cool....

I wonder how that Willow Tea would be for even for young plants in vegg too...That Indolebutyric acid (IBA) in the willow tips sounds promising...Would like to try it on a plant in vegg to see if it makes the plant explode.

KeizerSoze · Aug 25, 2014

undercovergrow said:
okay, okay!

day 21 sugar punch along with a bodhi prayer tower also at day 21 for comparison:

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they both are in the .3 gallon propagator air-pots to be up-potted to a 1-gallon tonight.

she looks like she is going to be great! need to be done by December, no later than mid-January though, so end of September or first of October i'll throw her in flower. do you all (that have recently finished growing SP) think that will be a decent amount of veg time for her? remember, my last one i did not veg but for a few weeks, i think...and she ended up being a lot smaller than i expected.

Very nice!

I would be careful with that one. There is a very good chance that you were dealing with a runt last time. My observation was the the sharp more jagged leaves get bushy and the more rounded leaves, like yours, stretch like crazy. Forty five days of veg may be plenty... Switch her to 12/12 mid September and share your Sugar Punch with Santa. For a nice treat like that, he may even leave you new worms for your worm bins...

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