UncleBuck
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if you were capable of making someone look stupid, you would have done so by now.
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if you were capable of making someone look stupid, you would have done so by now.
ginwilly
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Still searching that racist google site but came across this tidbit from another Keynesian idiot that you often praise.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/o...s-for-veterans-and-other-bad-ideas.html?_r=1&
American health care is remarkably diverse. In terms of how care is paid for and delivered, many of us effectively live in Canada, some live in Switzerland, some live in Britain, and some live in the unregulated market of conservative dreams. One result of this diversity is that we have plenty of home-grown evidence about what works and what doesn’t.
Naturally, then, politicians — Republicans in particular — are determined to scrap what works and promote what doesn’t. And that brings me to Mitt Romney’s latest really bad idea, unveiled on Veterans Day: to partially privatize the Veterans Health Administration (V.H.A.).
What Mr. Romney and everyone else should know is that the V.H.A. is a huge policy success story, which offers important lessons for future health reform.
Many people still have an image of veterans’ health care based on the terrible state of the system two decades ago. Under the Clinton administration, however, the V.H.A. was overhauled, and achieved a remarkable combination of rising quality and successful cost control. Multiple surveys have found the V.H.A. providing better care than most Americans receive, even as the agency has held cost increases well below those facing Medicare and private insurers. Furthermore, the V.H.A. has led the way in cost-saving innovation, especially the use of electronic medical records.
What’s behind this success? Crucially, the V.H.A. is an integrated system, which provides health care as well as paying for it. So it’s free from the perverse incentives created when doctors and hospitals profit from expensive tests and procedures, whether or not those procedures actually make medical sense. And because V.H.A. patients are in it for the long term, the agency has a stronger incentive to invest in prevention than private insurers, many of whose customers move on after a few years.
And yes, this is “socialized medicine” — although some private systems, like Kaiser Permanente, share many of the V.H.A.’s virtues. But it works — and suggests what it will take to solve the troubles of U.S. health care more broadly.
Yet Mr. Romney believes that giving veterans vouchers to spend on private insurance would somehow yield better results. Why?
edit: oh look another praising Obama and the VA medical records system
http://votesmart.org/public-stateme...-electronic-records-for-veterans#.U54PHk3yCUk
and finally, what you were waiting for
http://www.military.com/cs/Satellite?c=maArticle&cid=1199421610915&
pagename=News%2FnwsLayout
notice the date, this was before the ACA was passed
again, for being such a cheerleader, you seem to know nothing about anything Obama
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ginwilly
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that's the entertainment bang for the buck with you, you don't realize how idiotic you look and just keep digging holes.
FTR, I don't claim to make you look stupid, you do fine all by yourself.
in this case, yes.
so then you're for vouchers?
ginwilly
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Being a liberal you guys seem to never meet a problem that can't be solved if you could only take more of the people's money.
If you had any idea how top heavy the VA system is, you would think about trimming some of the fat off the top, not adding more fat to it.
your wing voted against helping the VA..
ginwilly
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For the VA? No, it's a socialized system to work within a socialized system. Making a voucher system out of it doesn't change the multitude of issues the VA faces. In a government operation, you are given a budget every year, if you don't spend the entire budget, it's reduced for the next year based on what you spent. It's a wasteful system right off the bat, then add level after level of administrators and the waste multiplies.
ginwilly
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Just because the only help that makes sense to your side is more money doesn't mean it's really going to help. More money will not change the problems.
that's what i took away from the article..romney was for the voucher system.
UncleBuck
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but "libertarian" fairy dust will.
but a bill was just voted down by the republicans.
UncleBuck
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that's why they invent scandals...to take the focus off their horrible, unwanted ideas.
ginwilly
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romney is on the privatization of everything train. The military shouldn't be privatized. Haliburton is an evil entity that shouldn't be allowed to exist.
ginwilly
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A bill that wasn't even an effective band aide. It was yet another unpaid for attempt to spend more money we don't need to spend.
UncleBuck
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we dn't need to spend more money, VA doctors will just work for free.
they may request a little "libertarian" fairy dust though.
ginwilly
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It really is frustrating watching these tools flop around. One side says mo money, the other side says vouchers will fix it while neither side is actually examining the cause, it's just all they know.
and the solution is?
ginwilly
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So since tripling the amount of money we spent while the VA population actually has decreased by millions hasn't seemed to work. Let's quadruple it then, or more more MOAR.
UncleBuck
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the cause?
you mean tens of thousands of vets from a needless war in iraq, plus the natural march of time on our older vets?
let's hire more doctors and update their 1985 technology with republican rhetoric.
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