Scotch's lil Shindig- PG180's- Spec 100's, why not?

FranJan said:

Hey Scotch what's up, (besides the baby again ). You know what? SDS should throw a few of those panels at some growers. See what people with less vested interests can do. I'd love to see you get one of those, but how can you make any moves until Area51 or Vipar show their latest? Plus Apache's newest...yada,yada,yada. And I'm sorry but I won't buy from a company that doesn't have a heavily biased entry in Wikipedia .

Bioledex ASTIR LED Floodlight 18W 1700Lm 120° 5200K

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The astir's just seem like THE ideal sup light... app ~6 x 8", ~22w, custom ratios, passive cooling... especially for tight spaces like I have. I am pretty well set on getting something from A51, just impatient i suppose. I had recently sold all my old gear and gotten some change out of all of it... (hoods, bulbs, ballast, old UFO, ozone gen...) shit I dont use anymore, or never had.

These sup panels will be coming out of the money that would go towards Vipar or A51, but depending on what happens, it shouldnt sway my orders too much. Just may end up savin' myself some money in the long run lol

I would really enjoy getting into Apache Tech... but a grand for a single light throws me wayyy off. And their site is not very informative... Id REALLY be interested in their specs, draw, components and such...

On top of selling my Pro Grows after all of the current upgrades, Ill have a few different brands to try out before long... really love the Vipar 100, or even 3, just nervous about how congested all of those diodes are... havnt heard anything for '13 yet?

EDIT: Astir got back to me boogie, they're saying that there is enough coverage with 630nm

Hmmm. Assuming they are using industry standard warm whites (oslon, cree, etc) the WW primary output peak is at ~610-630nm. Seems odd to double down on this wavelength with no 660nm coverage. 660nm is ofcourse one of the most important spectra, notable as the big "red peak" on a PAR chart

I think that other forum denizens would agree with me that currently, the most highly regarded combo is mostly WW and deep red. Certainly no-one would deny that 660nm is extremely beneficial, even that White LED hussy Petflora!

Some changes goin' on

you really underestimate the vigor of genetics like Super Lemon Haze, I had recently FIM'd them last week and I started them on a 12/12 cycle in the Veg portion of my cabinets due to limited space.. They are drinking about a gallon a day and ppm dropping.

I am going to have to take some clones tomorrow or maybe a bit later before heavy flowering... to help save on space.

Things are getting tight, I can see noticeable growth in the Tangerine Dream clones, and I need to figure out which one I am going to keep as a mother and trash/flower the other... like I said, things are getting tight fast in Narnia.

I am currently shopping for a 3.5-5 cu. ft. freezer for my cure later on, currently making my drying box (2.5x2.5ft box), and trying to figure out some housing for some long term mother's..

-Updates-

--Changed the res on the Tangerine Dream yesterday, at ~850ppm (25ml Cal/Mag, 20ml Gro- 5 gal RO)
--I knocked the SLH ppm up from 480 to 630ppm, 6.0, 69.2* and flipped to 12/12 (6 weeks old today)
--Clones are @ 490, 5.8, 74*

Ive noticed that the top level's res temps are consistently high... been brainstorming ways to lower this... maybe insulate the plastic on the lower portion (where the pro grow is), maybe the exhaust is blowing back and heating it up.. we'll see what I cant figure out.

Pics soon

SLH is good stuff, one of my more memorable grows in 21 years of growing. It's a little slower, and quite finicky, but the finished product is well worth the extra few weeks. Not a fan of GHS, too bad no one else breeds it, as far as I know. They are as hit and miss as it gets.

Eraserhead said:

SLH is good stuff, one of my more memorable grows in 21 years of growing. It's a little slower, and quite finicky, but the finished product is well worth the extra few weeks. Not a fan of GHS, too bad no one else breeds it, as far as I know. They are as hit and miss as it gets.

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I am a bit excited for this one.. Ive only done bag seed "Blue Dream" and "Lemon G11," up till I ordering my Tangerine Dream. Now I have Super Lemon Haze and Space Queen to play with. I really need to start looking into mother housing...

Damn Brother Not Only Do you Have A New Born To Deal With You Also Growing Two Of The Finickist Plants Knowen To Man.Salute My Brother I Would Rep Ya But You Know The Love Deal

The Dawg said:

Damn Brother Not Only Do you Have A New Born To Deal With You Also Growing Two Of The Finickist Plants Knowen To Man.Salute My Brother I Would Rep Ya But You Know The Love Deal

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It has been a lot easier than I thought itd be brother, but I am really running outta space over here.. lol. Im actually now looking at building a "stealthy" undercabinet grow in the main portiion of my garage. So we're talking serious stealth right under your nose shit.. but there's a couple good opportunities for me to try this..

Reason this is coming up, 1. Need space for mothers, 2. The old lady dropped the bomb last night, as I am emailing with A5..

"How long do you think you are going to do it..?"

I had been doing since before I met her, but she is obviously thinking about the baby quite a bit.. been rolling over the best defense in my favor.

I simply explained that the only personal qualm I have with growing is the legalities of it all, and that if it wasn't legal by the time he was five, I would close up shop. She seemed unimpressed, but satisfied I made some initiative...

I am REALLY shooting for our fucking State Government to quit S'in on so much D and get on the same page..


Anyways, I have recently opted out of the dipping my finger in the sweet sweet honey pot of Area 51 2013 Series.. They had known that the AR-90 was the model I was looking into and had 3 that were taking up some space, contacted me, and it just went from there..

Thank you, Eraserhead.

I ended up snagging all three:

x1- 4250k AR-90 (no reds)- for Veg
x2- Custom AR-90's- for Flower

Im pretty sure I drove A51 insane trying to figure out what ratio I wanted to settle with for my Flowering panels, I knew I wanted a WW dominant panel and coming up with the right numbers was a battle... but I am very confident in what I came up with.

-10:2:3 (3000k:4250k:630nm)

Gives me quite a bit more yellow, orange, red, and a little ~660 coverage that I was looking for.

I would enjoy hearing everyone's thoughts on this move, EH and Eric had suggested the 13:1 and 4250:630 combo several times with several good points such as most umol/w... but I was really wanting to play with Stage Specific Ratio's..

Just paid my invoice about an hour ago and they said that the lights would probably ship late next week. I may still be investing in a couple Astir panels, especially if I am having to look at going "super stealth" down the road..

They had given me a diagram of my custom flowering ratio and I love it, but now that I have ordered my custom AR-90's... I may end up ordering a couple custom FULL coverage astir panels to be able to use where ever I see fit..

Stay classy RIU

I finally had an opportunity to get out side and get some down time..

Super Lemon Haze is a week into flower today so I took 4 clones from each seed this morning

I topped my current Tangerine Dream clones, they are stretching for my T5 set up quite a bit, even with all 8 bulbs on. (once I get my lights in I will be able to adjust the cabinet levels again.)

Being that I am going to be tight on space for a while, I will be doing some serious lst and trimming with the next batch of kid's, need to organize before I can incorporate my larger totes.

Lights are en route, according to my phone- they are.. just south of Mali, Africa.

Damn lucky too... one of my fans went out on the Pro Grow in the flower cabinet.

Have a lot to do with no time to do it.

-Drying box
-Freezer for cure
-Double drywall Narnia, reduce fan noise for summer.. Look up studio soundproofing if you are interested- shit TON of info..
-Wanting to vent my 6" Hydrofarm to the attic instead back into the room (dono bout the back pressure though, think itll cut noise more)
-Building under cabinet mother chamber

Catching the theme? Stealth... trying to get this on lockdown.. any insight would be fantastic.

Pics coming

^^^ for sound proofing... spacers between drywall. causes sound do bounce back and forth in space. Then (MDF) Microdensity fiber board and sound dampening carpet from home depot. then for foam.

http://www.foambymail.com/acoustical-foam-products.html

1/4 of the price of Auralex and same quality..

I"m an audio engineer . Went to school for it and everything.. ( I do post production, mixing, recording, sometimes mastering).

Hell yea hyroot, I was going to go to school for "telecommunications," but mainly the recording aspect of everything.. ended up doing the touring thing instead and skipped school, still have my little pod/laptop set up to track out ideas though..

Full Sail and Columbia would have been amazing... but I would have indebted myself forever. Taught myself to play.. why not record? lol.

are you talking about decoupling the wall with staggered spacers? I hadnt realized HD had dampening carpet, thank you sir!


Here's a chart of my Flowering panels outcome for anyone curious:

(<---two full flowering panels- 10:2:3)

(<---A51's current ratio of the '12 series)

(<---All 4250k diodes, A51 recomended this for a great Veg median, so this is my one primary veg panel)

Any criticism on my adjustments to A51's stock ratio is welcome, though remember these panels are built with the idea of strictly flowering- with that in mind- I am open to hear every one's thoughts on what they may have done differently.

^^^^ build a new wall off existing wall. Use furring strips or bushings or even cut strips of dampening carpet for spacers between drywall sheets. Then lay mdf board over dry wall, then carpet, then foam... In studios we also build the walls at a lil slant to make the sound bounce around more. Then mount diffusers on the ceiling. They look like foam storm trooper helmets almost. That makes sound bounce around too. That most likely won't all apply to your situation.

hyroot said:

^^^^ build a new wall off existing wall. Use furring strips or bushings or even cut strips of dampening carpet for spacers between drywall sheets. Then lay mdf board over dry wall, then carpet, then foam... In studios we also build the walls at a lil slant to make the sound bounce around more. Then mount diffusers on the ceiling. They look like foam storm trooper helmets almost. That makes sound bounce around too. That most likely won't all apply to your situation.

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Think I could use Green Glue or any other adhesive that is similar to use dampening carpet as a spacer, or should I use raised spacers (shim style) using carpet to create layers in the spacer itself- kind of seperates that wall a bit more

I wont be able to sacrafice any sq ft though, Ive looked into building a second wall of Green Glue'd drywall, but if I move the walls in to where I would need it'd be too crowded to have supplies, drawers, the cab's themselves, and the AC in the room :/

My thoughts are.. Menard's usually has some pretty good deals on drywall, at the right time.. I tore up the current drywall when I had ripped the shower out so...

-I am wanting tear down all the current drywall
-Route myself a new outlet on a nice 20 amp breaker (gives me like 1880w capacity, right?)
-Insulate the portion of the room that I had not done previously..
-Make a sturdy new wall of two sheets of drywall, with dampening carpet sandwiched in between- thrown all together with some Green Glue adhesive

Then I may take the initiative to throw up some of those diffusers if things are still out of range

Summer's gonna be busy..


The tangerine dream is 29" tall as of today- gaining 10" since the flip, starting to fur on up-

(Right- TD, Left- SLH)

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I am worried my T5's in the clone chamber may be illuminating Narnia too much and gettin light leaks..

Other than that, every thing is right on track, SLH is yellowing and still feeding like an SOB, gonna have to change the res today. You can see I topped the TD clones and they're bushing up from that.. took some clones yesterday, and they look like hell..

mmmmm.. yup.

Ready for those lights to get here, thinking that Tangerine Dream is not gonna know what to do with all that light! Very excited..

(flower panel)

Anyone here know if they are going to pull the trigger on the 2013 panels yet? Things look too legit..

There's a spray adhesive thats used for that. Home deps might have it. Foam by mail does. Also I staple gun the carpet since its heavy. Just in case

Girls looking great.

Shit's about to get real... real fast.

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<<<<------ 10:2:3

Now that they are here I wish I had evened out the ww/nw mix, maybe to 8:4:3 like I had originally thought- but I am satisfied and stoked to get these guys in the cab's

Looking good.. Can't wait to see the lamps in action!

whelp...

You know what I spent my morning doing..

Didnt have too much time left before work to just... stare at it's glory... but Narnia just joined the 51st Century

Ran some numbers for reference:

Actual draw of my AR-90's:

-just fans- ~7.4-7.7w
-one bay- 99-102w
-fully illuminated- ~194-197w

This goes for, both, the 10:2:3 and 4250k panels

This gives me

Veg Chamber (all 4250k)- 49.94wpsf
Flower Cab (WW panels)- 99.87wpsf

Fuck... yes...

That's 33% more ACTUAL drawn watts than my previous Spectra 100's for flowering...

And 32% more than my Pro Grow 180's that were ran

Not to mention the actual progression LED's have made since then... (PAR, angles, WHITES!, draw..)

This is a major upgrade that is now pushing me towards CO2 enrichment to take advantage of the 99+wpsf in flower...

Dont know enough about designing my ventilation to aquire CO2, though I am thinkin with the small cab's- refills wouldnt be exhausting...?


Guys...

...390 actual watts

of straight LED PARness...

Damn that's allot of power in that space!............how are your temps???

So far so good, granted they've only been in there a couple day cycles now- highest my Thermometer has on the history is 81*

though I am starting to see some cupping on the closest leaves, may need to dial back my Grozone controller, it's currently set at 85* to reduce noise and up transpiration (to help metabolism under LEDs). I'll be takin it back to 75-80 tonight and see where that puts things

i havnt had to fire up my Whynter AC unit yet, it's still 50's (at best) outside around here, hopefully summer won't be a war...

I was at work earlier so I couldnt elaborate as much as I had wanted to.. double post!

Like a said Psua, the thermometer has only topped out at 81*

But if you can see in the picture- this is like 6" lower than the highest top, things HAVE to be toasty closer to the lights, cus there is some curl going on..

to double up on the inaccuracy... the grozone's sensor is right about the same height

Ill hop on this before I crash tonight

I started searching around for info on running CO2 enrichment while still being able to scrub the air in a cab style grow... or even scrubbing in the entire itself..

Found some guys talking about led's... chimed in and bumped into Alex and Pet, got frustrated and havnt searched anymore...


Also- see sex on the SLH, TD clones have exploded, and waiting on the SLH clones to take.

Ill get some pictures up probably this weekend

I find SLH is a bitch to clone, especially compared to TD which clones soooooo easy. Out of all the strains I've cloned SLH humbles my system.