Scottish independence?

So get rid of the gov't but do nothing about the ruling class that owns it...

abandonconflict said:

So get rid of the gov't but do nothing about the ruling class that owns it...

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A ruling class is not something I consider beneficial, so I'm all for exploring ideas of how to change that. It all comes down to the definition of what can and cannot be owned in a just world doesn't it?

abandonconflict said:

So get rid of the gov't but do nothing about the ruling class that owns it...

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bit like south Africa .. apparent political change but the wealth stays with the same folk
some seem to think Scotland will end with with 90% of the revenue from north sea oil as 90% of the sites would fall under their new Scottish territory
i very much doubt the city of Westminster/london will give it up so easy on the surface it may look that way
they will find other ways of swindling them they will not lose money over it in the long run whatever happens
or they would of never entertained the idea to begin with

Rob Roy said:

A ruling class is not something I consider beneficial, so I'm all for exploring ideas of how to change that. It all comes down to the definition of what can and cannot be owned in a just world doesn't it?

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celestial bodies are not allowed to be owned by any nations
need to build a rocket ship i guess and head for planet utopia

everything else has been claimed all air space all of the seabed
all land apart from 2 shithole regions in the middle east that no country wants to claim

in the 1970s some interesting laws were passed on statelessness all people must belong to a country
they are not allowed to be "stateless"
also the prevention of any "man made structure" being deposited in international waters
could not be considered a new country (see the movie waterworld) lol and the principality of sealand

BigNBushy said:

Secondly, you and your token

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Am I his token? If so, thanks for taking a break from farting out all that non gay semen to think of me. Sometimes it's just so nice to be included.

travisw said:

Am I his token? If so, thanks for taking a break from farting out all that non gay semen to think of me. Sometimes it's just so nice to be included.

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No, the dude that fucked me was and is gay. But that semen has been gone for years.

I call you his token, but perhaps pet is a better word.

You like every post he makes where he calls me a junkie for the thousandth time. And then you two do Internet high fives of liking each others post.

Occasionally you come in and never say much origional. And they all rub you on the belly, like a good boy, by clicking the like post because you said something stupid.

BigNBushy said:

What possible benefit could that be to them?

I've read a few pro independence articles and can't get a good concise rational.

Any British subjects want to chime in?

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All that I know, as an Irishman, is that living in a hole with rabbits, that would be morally more important to myself than living under the thumb of the so called British Empire.My immediate family were IRA, and God bless them, at least most of Ireland kicked them out 98 years ago this Easter. The Scots have always kissed British ass, except for an exceptional few, and probably will do so forever.( only kidding, sort of) Peace out

Rob Roy said:

Maybe. Every historian? Bullshit.

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then show me one historian who shares your retarded and racist views that blacks were not harmed by denial of service in the south before civil rights.

Rob Roy said:

Hence, when no coercive government reigns there will be equality.

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that must explain why the government needed to step in and end the racist and harmful practices that you support.

your governmentless utopia can not exist because of harmful, racist folks like you (who are coincidentally too stupid to even realize that their racism is harmful).

Rob Roy said:

Being made to serve somebody, even if you agree to leave them alone or be "indifferent" is an act of aggression against the property owner.

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white person asking to buy gas from gas station owner: not an act of aggression.

black person asking to buy gas from gas station owner: act of aggression.

that's how it goes according to your logic.

Rob Roy said:

Your idea of "fairness" is to place the right of one person above another.

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no, that's your idea of fairness, since you are the one who elevates the right of a racist business owner above all else.

i think if a guy is selling gas to the public, he should serve the whole public. you defend that person's right to be racist and not serve blacks.

to top it all off, you deny the historical fact that the denial of service to blacks by racist business owners caused harm.

Rob Roy said:

You believe that some people ... can be prevented from using their property in ways that they chose which do not cause an actionable harm to others.

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then find one historian who shares your racist and denialist opinion that denial of service to blacks in the pre-civil rights south caused no harm.

Rob Roy said:

You are using the same playbook as prohibitionists and don't even care or realize it.

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you are using the same playbook as holocaust deniers.

Rob Roy said:

Race is not the issue here. All people have a right to control their own property, but not the property of others....Yes or no?

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race definitely is the issue here, since you are defending the actions of racist business owners which caused harm. no one has a right to cause harm to others, as happened in the pre-civil rights south.

In Scotland, race isn't an issue...

Can we keep it on topic and not let it devolve to "you're a racist?" like it usually does?

Rob Roy said:

Interesting. Of course that might cause a rise in prices in Norway.

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Not if they made it illegal for them to spend the money in Norway...