Second attempt at cloning, any advice?

I picked up some Clonex last night and tired to do my second but really first attempt at cloning.
My first attempt was because I had almost 10 year old cloning gel I wanted to try, it worked, but I didn't keep the clones after I saw white fuzz, I trashed them.

Now I have Clonex and want to try to clone, as well as keep them.
I have over 10 TH Sage & Sour clones all from lower branches all over 5 inches tall with big fan leaves etc.
I dipped them heavily into Clonex gel (Which seemed watery than gel) then placed them in 1inch rock wool cubes. I then cut tips of top fan leaves off, misted them with very low nutrient solution (jacks in mister) so they can feed themselves without turning yellow. I'll continue misting 2-3 times a day with 1 nutrient 2 pure water until they show roots.

This is the basics I've done, any pointers to speed up the process or help it go smoothly?

I have them in a full plastic try from top to bottom, covered with 2 small holes, very humid inside. They are under the plants growing under a 800W MH. This is so they get light, but they are under huge fan leaves so more shade than direct light.

Last night 3 hours after I cut them, they all looked dead and wilted, today they are standing up on their own.

My plan is to use hempy style buckets in 3 lit bottles of cola, half bottle coco, half bottle air. I've seen some 2ft plants in this setup and I'll try it for 12/12 from clone.

Personally here is my cloning method for rockwool and coco alike.

Snip your clone.

Cut a 45 angle in the stem.

Scrape the stem.

Split the stem.

Place into rockwool or coco etc.

Place into propogator.

Mist the PROPOGATOR and not the clones.

By misting the leaves with nutrients you are in effect foliar feeding.

So why would they grow any roots if they're getting all they need from the foliar feeding?


I haven't used rooting hormone for over 2 years.



J

This is because I've noticed when you try and root clones that aren't in a bubbler they tend to yellow a lot faster and end up dying if not fed while trying to grow roots.
A very light not even ratio of 1 solution of nutrients gives them enough food to live off of while they gain their roots. The hormoes are suppose to give them the roots while they are being fed, not like with a bubbler that you just put in water and h2o

I thought Clonex was bacteria that helped speed up the break down of stem to allow for root growth.

I only use water when cloning and usually can see roots in a week.

whatever way you do it, and there are many, keep trying till you get it. kill a hundred cuts but keep on and you will find the right way for you.

NP1000 ways to skin a cat. But I've read many tips n tricks. One that I have read, have put their clones IN A dark place for 2 days and then will put them back in the light for 18/6 cycle. The darkness is suppose to promote root growth. That person has seen root growth in 8 days. He was misting his propagator with magic green. And was using rockwool in plastic dome. I myself use a low solution of floranova, super thrive, and a bit of green guano. In the end having below 400 ppm. Soaking the rock wool cubes in that mix, misting my propagator in that as well. And I lift my dome everyday and blow co2 onto them, on a 18/6 light cycle. I see roots in 2 weeks, lightly yellow discoloring but that's normal. And will get their color back fast. I also used to propagate using water only as well. Ph'd to 5.5. And letting the cubes soak up for a whole day. If I did it that way I would do it like the other response, splitting the stem in two and I would split the cube and then place the stem in and then putting it into its insert. I have also seen this method work in about a week as well. I have also read that rooting is better when not using any nutes and will root faster. I agree with it. But its just all preference. Do what u like to do. What u think seems easier for u. As well. Its all preference. No right or wrong. I would try all the ways and stick with what u like. In the end if u like one way more than the other, that's the only thing that matters. Once rooted. Its only uphill from there. I use to get yellow color on rooted clones with just water, but once transplanted, color came back in just 2 days. Hope I did not confuse u. As that was not my intention. I am just saying u should try all so that u can say u have tried all. N then u stick to the way u like. Also if u like Ur way. Which is similar to how I do it as well but want it faster, try using a seedling heat mat and keeping the temp at 75. Blow into them everyday for co2. And try a 18/ 6 light cycle for darkness for rooting. Roots develop when Ur cubes has no nutes so the roots are forced to search for them. So the heat from the pad will make vaporize some of the water from the cube as well so that roots will form. I forgot I mention I use grodan cubes with the plastic wrap so I don't use the insert provided with my propagator. It was easier for me. If u do use the insert tho, u won't have to worry about the heat pad. As the water will drop down into the lower tray.

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I just read the part about the 800mh light, try shading Ur dome with a see through material as more darkness or shade will also promote root growth

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Aye once you've taken your cut a split it about 5mm as well with the scalpel and scrape the stalk then a good old 30+ seconds in clonex....snip all the bottom and main leaves 3 quarters back!!! I use jiffy pellets there fool proof...shove it in the pellet soaked in plain water with a drop of super thrive....whack it in your propagator close all vents and don't touch em for 3 days!!!!! It is imperative you don't open that box for all least 2 days then after 3 days open all the vents and take the lid off for a few mins pop the lid back on with all vents open and hey presto within 2 weeks max you'll have roots
Oh and i pop mine under the plants in the tent they dont like too much light

From a plant grown from seed I can normally get roots in 6-7 days easy money

CiF,
I agree with Jondaman that you shouldn't be foliar feeding. Occasionally, like when cloning from a flowering plant, it will take so long that the leaves yellow...then a little last ditch foliar feeding may be necessary. But not as a routine thing.

I use cloning powder. Rootone is an old reliable. It contains anti-fungal which discourages stem rot. The gels can go bad...the powders never do.

If the leaves wilt...there's not enough humidity. Good luck...
JD

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I just read the part about the 800mh light, try shading Ur dome with a see through material as more darkness or shade will also promote root growth

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Why not just use a lower wattage CFL instead?

jondamon said:

Personally here is my cloning method for rockwool and coco alike.

Snip your clone.

Cut a 45 angle in the stem.

Scrape the stem.

Split the stem.

Place into rockwool or coco etc.

Place into propogator.

Mist the PROPOGATOR and not the clones.

By misting the leaves with nutrients you are in effect foliar feeding.

So why would they grow any roots if they're getting all they need from the foliar feeding?


I haven't used rooting hormone for over 2 years.



J

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I agree with this and I use a cloning gel off and on
and I get roots showing anywhere from 9 - 12 days either way.

I also keep a 1" layer of moist perlite in my clone tray that with a little seaweed/kelp
liquid extract that helps promote healthy root growth.

I make sure you do a 45 degree cut for more surface area, try to cut right below where a fan leaf or small node is coming out of as well. When you cut the node/fan leaf off a root will likely grow from this area. Also I swirl clone around in clonex for about 20-30 seconds after I do my 1/4 in split up the middle

Just because I hadn't seen any replies on this... I f'kd around with various methods for years. Then last year I spent about $40 and an afternoon building an aero cloner. Wish I had done it 20 years ago. Put tap water in, cut clones, angle cut is good, any cut works, no gels, no dirt, no special treatments, open the cloner 7-10 days later, take the cuttings and plant them into whatever medium/container you want. 100% success since I switched to this method, nothing like it.

Yeah u can do that too. Too much light isn't too great for clones.

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Why not just use a lower wattage CFL instead?

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I have tried this method but I ran into a small problem, my water was warm n i started to get Pyth. It sucked. However if u can keep temps low with a recyclable timer Ur golden. ee

GroErr said:

Just because I hadn't seen any replies on this... I f'kd around with various methods for years. Then last year I spent about $40 and an afternoon building an aero cloner. Wish I had done it 20 years ago. Put tap water in, cut clones, angle cut is good, any cut works, no gels, no dirt, no special treatments, open the cloner 7-10 days later, take the cuttings and plant them into whatever medium/container you want. 100% success since I switched to this method, nothing like it.

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Yeah, the temps matter but clones are happy in the low 70's, I have a batch going now at 69-71F and after 10 days all have rooted, some are ridiculous, will have to transplant them by the weekend. What I like about this for clones is you only have to deal with the cloner for 2 weeks max. so even if you have to cool it, throw the odd frozen water in and you're good. The recyclable timers work better but I've rooted them running 24/7 and still works fine, just gets warmer faster.

I'm not familiar with the genetics in Sage and Sour, but in my past experience, Indicas have been easier to clone than sativas.

if you leave water on the bottom and you have a heat mat. It helps so much. ANd keeps the dome with a nice mist. Ii get roots in 6 days. Just using ph water with a drop of superthrive and foxfarm big boom.

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