Second grow - found a hermaphrodite

Aussieaceae · Feb 28, 2019

Kingrow1 said:
Does one nanna on a plant bearing three pounds of the dankest primo'est knock your socks off bud make it a hermie and you want to avoid it or its seed?

Yes,

In that case, i'd consider myself lucky. Wouldn't use the seeds from it, and would find a replacement plant if it were a mum.

In the same way the males and females vary greatly, the hermaphrodite plants vary greatly too.

It's always genetic. Just as dioecious plants vary, monecious plants vary as well.

SSGrower · Feb 28, 2019

Kingrow1 said:
Does one nanna on a plant bearing three pounds of the dankest primo'est knock your socks off bud make it a hermie and you want to avoid it or its seed?

Your pgolosophy on this boggles my mind. The op did the exact right thing, almost, he should make hash if that thing isnt burried in the compost pile. The degree to which it was showing male flowers and desctription given, he would waste electricity making seeds. Granted hemp seeds go for 6-7 bucks a pound I dont think that is what op wants.

Yes one nanner makes a hermephrodite, you made the argumet yourself it is hardwired into the plant.

Enzeymes, hormones, microrganisims, environment, this is the just start of the list factors.

Kingrow1 · Mar 1, 2019

SSGrower said:
Your pgolosophy on this boggles my mind. The op did the exact right thing, almost, he should make hash if that thing isnt burried in the compost pile. The degree to which it was showing male flowers and desctription given, he would waste electricity making seeds. Granted hemp seeds go for 6-7 bucks a pound I dont think that is what op wants.

Yes one nanner makes a hermephrodite, you made the argumet yourself it is hardwired into the plant.

Enzeymes, hormones, microrganisims, environment, this is the just start of the list factors.

The fact that most have zero philosophy is what boggles my mind, if you kill every herm in a new growers tent your soon gona have zero bud bro....

Show some experience and write it like it is not kill all herms cause you have an issue with mother nature :-)

SSGrower · Mar 1, 2019

Kingrow1 said:
The fact that most have zero philosophy is what boggles my mind, if you kill every herm in a new growers tent your soon gona have zero bud bro....

Show some experience and write it like it is not kill all herms cause you have an issue with mother nature

You can check my posting history for intersex plants I have grown out if you question my experience in the matter.

Keeping every plant is not the right answer either!

If the grower had time to diagnose and correct any environmental contributing factors maybe its a different story. As it stands, the op has 1 seeded plant that if it is not intersex will hopefully have mature seeds that are easy to pick out and not soft partially developed ones that would present a major frustraion. They also have material to make hash with and the knowledge gained by getting this far.
So now the grower has the opportunity to switch genetics, and gain more growing experience without the looming frustration.

I honestly feel you are less hardline in your approach to the strategies you profess. Specially ones that involve a level of personal preference like curing/drying. I hope its true?

Kingrow1 · Mar 1, 2019

SSGrower said:
You can check my posting history for intersex plants I have grown out if you question my experience in the matter.

Keeping every plant is not the right answer either!

If the grower had time to diagnose and correct any environmental contributing factors maybe its a different story. As it stands, the op has 1 seeded plant that if it is not intersex will hopefully have mature seeds that are easy to pick out and not soft partially developed ones that would present a major frustraion. They also have material to make hash with and the knowledge gained by getting this far.
So now the grower has the opportunity to switch genetics, and gain more growing experience without the looming frustration.

I honestly feel you are less hardline in your approach to the strategies you profess. Specially ones that involve a level of personal preference like curing/drying. I hope its true?

Firstly you cant produce a herm free strain so assime you have herm genetics and will breed that on.

My preference isnt personal its the one used by all cartels the world over including mine.

These ways are carried over from overgrow not this site, not sure where most of you lot have been not to know this but if you assume these modern methods and give the old methods crap ill assume you did come down in the last rainfall and not built up a serious level of skill and respect here.

Obviously i will get 70% disagreeing but look at all the new growers who jump on the bandwagon and the word overgrow means dick.

That and my ways are heavily supported - i say my ways in reality it just seems that way cause im one of the very few who cut straight through the bs and lay down the facts.

Sucks but someones gotta point out the obvious here or peeps be telling me they dry their bud to 65% moisture - idiots :-)

SSGrower · Mar 1, 2019

Kingrow1 said:
Firstly you cant produce a herm free strain so assime you have herm genetics and will breed that on.

My preference isnt personal its the one used by all cartels the world over including mine.

These ways are carried over from overgrow not this site, not sure where most of you lot have been not to know this but if you assume these modern methods and give the old methods crap ill assume you did come down in the last rainfall and not built up a serious level of skill and respect here.

Obviously i will get 70% disagreeing but look at all the new growers who jump on the bandwagon and the word overgrow means dick.

That and my ways are heavily supported - i say my ways in reality it just seems that way cause im one of the very few who cut straight through the bs and lay down the facts.

Sucks but someones gotta point out the obvious here or peeps be telling me they dry their bud to 65% moisture - idiots

No, but there is a variance in the likelyhood a particular strain or cross or batch of seeds will intersex.

By definition your preference is personal so if you are not growing to your prefernce you are using someone elses standard. That is totally fine many people have high standards.

If you can burn weed at 65% rh and enjoy it then I give you a gold star.

Kingrow1 · Mar 1, 2019

SSGrower said:
No, but there is a variance in the likelyhood a particular strain or cross or batch of seeds will intersex.

By definition your preference is personal so if you are not growing to your prefernce you are using someone elses standard. That is totally fine many people have high standards.

If you can burn weed at 65% rh and enjoy it then I give you a gold star.

Its 70% here in the Uk now - weeds burning fine :-)

Its moisture content is 10% so no idea how air moisture has anything to do with dried buds moisture content :-)

It wasnt personal preference it was site preference - well till a load of new growers turned up and constantly trolled the pros saying there info was shit and they dont even know how to grow till the pros had to leave from constant aggression.

Times they are a changing though - this made the current toxic bs that flies around and the pros are singling these idiots out and destroying them with skillz they aint even heard off.

Why i dont own an led because i was busy learning not following some toxic junk like it would make you a pro.

Pretty clear to see whats happened and why theres 20 opinions and not one really works as well as the old ways :-)

Id say good luck but tis a minefiekd out there :-)

SSGrower · Mar 1, 2019

Kingrow1 said:
Its 70% here in the Uk now - weeds burning fine Its moisture content is 10% so no idea how air moisture has anything to do with dried buds moisture content

It wasnt personal preference it was site preference - well till a load of new growers turned up and constantly trolled the pros saying there info was shit and they dont even know how to grow till the pros had to leave from constant aggression.

Times they are a changing though - this made the current toxic bs that flies around and the pros are singling these idiots out and destroying them with skillz they aint even heard off.

Why i dont own an led because i was busy learning not following some toxic junk like it would make you a pro.

Pretty clear to see whats happened and why theres 20 opinions and not one really works as well as the old ways

Id say good luck but tis a minefiekd out there

At some point you wont be able to purchase hid lights, they will be illegal or obsoleted to the point where availabilty and cost will prohibit their use.

It is illegal for me to ignite a hid lamp in excess of 250 watts inside my house, if anything ever happened insurance would tell me to pound sand.

Legal weed will bring these issues to the forefront because growers like me are increasingly unwilling to be an outlaw (nemore). So it becomes my preference to use led. Evolve or go extinct in this case.

I missinterpreted, I thought you meant dried to 65% moisture content.

SSGrower · Mar 1, 2019

Kingrow1 said:
Its 70% here in the Uk now - weeds burning fine Its moisture content is 10% so no idea how air moisture has anything to do with dried buds moisture content

It wasnt personal preference it was site preference - well till a load of new growers turned up and constantly trolled the pros saying there info was shit and they dont even know how to grow till the pros had to leave from constant aggression.

Times they are a changing though - this made the current toxic bs that flies around and the pros are singling these idiots out and destroying them with skillz they aint even heard off.

Why i dont own an led because i was busy learning not following some toxic junk like it would make you a pro.

Pretty clear to see whats happened and why theres 20 opinions and not one really works as well as the old ways

Id say good luck but tis a minefiekd out there

Look at fine dead fuel moisture content for the relationship between rh and moisture content and how long it takes for the 2 to come into equilibrium.

Aussieaceae · Mar 1, 2019

Kingrow1 said:
The fact that most have zero philosophy is what boggles my mind, if you kill every herm in a new growers tent your soon gona have zero bud bro....

Show some experience and write it like it is not kill all herms cause you have an issue with mother nature

I'm not sure what's so hard to understand? Why would you have zero bud, if you have dioecious females?
Buds will be all they produce.
It's physically impossible for a dioecious plant to produce BOTH male, and female sex organs on the same individual, without physical manipulation.
If BOTH sex organs exist on the same individual, it's monecious.
These traits are determined the moment the seed is conceived. Simple as that.

There are some big ol' myths in the cannabis community. Dioecious females "choosing" to turn monecious, because of stress is one of them.
Why is it such a stretch to assume the plant was monecious all along?

It's also common knowledge monecious cannabis plants are rare. This doesn't mean they're rare like gold. Just that they occur less frequently.
Some varieties more / less frequently than others.

It's an individual genetic trait. Chosen when the offspring are conceived.

Kingrow1 · Mar 1, 2019

Aussieaceae said:
I'm not sure what's so hard to understand? Why would you have zero bud, if you have dioecious females?
Buds will be all they produce.
It's physically impossible for a dioecious plant to produce BOTH male, and female sex organs on the same individual, without physical manipulation.
If BOTH sex organs exist on the same individual, it's monecious.
These traits are determined the moment the seed is conceived. Simple as that.

There are some big ol' myths in the cannabis community. Dioecious females "choosing" to turn monecious, because of stress is one of them.
Why is it such a stretch to assume the plant was monecious all along?

It's also common knowledge monecious cannabis plants are rare. This doesn't mean they're rare like gold. Just that they occur less frequently.
Some varieties more / less frequently than others.

It's an individual genetic trait. Chosen when the offspring are conceived.

Wtf mate - its clear your copy pasting stuff you read - back it up produce the worlds herm free strain.

:-)

Kingrow1 · Mar 1, 2019

SSGrower said:
At some point you wont be able to purchase hid lights, they will be illegal or obsoleted to the point where availabilty and cost will prohibit their use.

It is illegal for me to ignite a hid lamp in excess of 250 watts inside my house, if anything ever happened insurance would tell me to pound sand.

Legal weed will bring these issues to the forefront because growers like me are increasingly unwilling to be an outlaw (nemore). So it becomes my preference to use led. Evolve or go extinct in this case.

I missinterpreted, I thought you meant dried to 65% moisture content.

Im not legal and dont support it - your talking to a black market grower who if it ever becomes legal will simply switch to production of another black market drug.

I came to this site because it was a place of similar growers, hps will never die, its actually very very very cheap and easy to buy, cmh is the more attractive but in your country you simply cannot see out and that most of us have hadcit with leds and that all that hype created a toxic market that is so anti what weed stands for.

Those that exchange civil liberties for a small amount of freedom deserve neither - an American said that :-)

Aussieaceae · Mar 1, 2019

Kingrow1 said:
Wtf mate - its clear your copy pasting stuff you read - back it up produce the worlds herm free strain.

No copy and paste here buddy.

You show me scientific proof to prove me wrong.

To selectively breed a strain to produce far less monecious plants than other strains, or generations? Yes absolutely can be done.

To selectively breed a strain to produce no monecious individuals at all? Highly unlikely, probably impossible.

But that's not the point i was making, is it?

I'll ask again, what makes you believe a dioecious female, can "choose" to, or turn monecious?
How?

Not trying to argue with you, or call you out, just would like to know your theory.
If you could find scientific proof to prove it, that would be even better.

This is part of the Cannabis world that fascinates me. Always willing to learn. If it means being proven wrong to do so, then i'm all for it.

:-)

SSGrower · Mar 1, 2019

Kingrow1 said:
Im not legal and dont support it - your talking to a black market grower who if it ever becomes legal will simply switch to production of another black market drug.

I came to this site because it was a place of similar growers, hps will never die, its actually very very very cheap and easy to buy, cmh is the more attractive but in your country you simply cannot see out and that most of us have hadcit with leds and that all that hype created a toxic market that is so anti what weed stands for.

Those that exchange civil liberties for a small amount of freedom deserve neither - an American said that

You want me to think you are noble for risking your civil liberties for a plant?
LOL
You realize I basically agree with you on the herm thing right?

Dakoina · Mar 2, 2019

I love reading your comments. I like these little discussions. Makes my ADD go wild again :cool:

and start researching on the mono&di biology stuff

I understand when you say people just say and do things they heard from someone else, not knowing the basic science and or facts or speak from experimentation. It's a bit like digging or not digging in the kitchen garden (you don't need to, give nature compost or organic matter and soil life will make it fluffy for you, giving even more harvest)

SSGrower · Mar 2, 2019

Aussieaceae said:
No copy and paste here buddy.

You show me scientific proof to prove me wrong.

To selectively breed a strain to produce far less monecious plants than other strains, or generations? Yes absolutely can be done.

To selectively breed a strain to produce no monecious individuals at all? Highly unlikely, probably impossible.

But that's not the point i was making, is it?

I'll ask again, what makes you believe a dioecious female, can "choose" to, or turn monecious?
How?

Not trying to argue with you, or call you out, just would like to know your theory.
If you could find scientific proof to prove it, that would be even better.

This is part of the Cannabis world that fascinates me. Always willing to learn. If it means being proven wrong to do so, then i'm all for it.

Hormones and pheromones.
Cannabis does not express full sexual maturity prior to the 4th node, preflowers yes but no mature flowers. There is a level of indetermination. The sexual orientation of the plant does not rely on a simple single chromosonal alleal pairing, there is more than one pairing that influnces this, we do not yet fully understand.

Aussieaceae · Mar 2, 2019

SSGrower said:
Hormones and pheromones.
Cannabis does not express full sexual maturity prior to the 4th node, preflowers yes but no mature flowers. There is a level of indetermination. The sexual orientation of the plant does not rely on a simple single chromosonal alleal pairing, there is more than one pairing that influnces this, we do not yet fully understand.

I absolutely agree that sometimes they won't fully express themselves. Not going to disagree with you there.

My point is, that to have the capability to express both male, and female flowers on the same plant, makes it monecious / hermaphrodite.
It's in it's genes in the first place.

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