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Ocho2

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Post 420..

..maybe i have watered too much, though Ive only watered once a day? Whats the proper amount to water them?

Either im over feeding..or something. Really wondering if I should flush..or just give a dose of non food water..or something ..

Willing to do whatever to save them..
 
crazyhazey

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Ocho2 said:
Post 420..

..maybe i have watered too much, though Ive only watered once a day? Whats the proper amount to water them?

Either im over feeding..or something. Really wondering if I should flush..or just give a dose of non food water..or something ..

Willing to do whatever to save them..
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i think its cal/mag, look up the mj deficiency chart. it doesnt look like a burn really, insane how fast it progressed though. is your medium 100% coco? i dont think you should be watering everyday if not, but if theres soil you should poke some holes in it a few inches away from the main stem.
 
roofwayne

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Hey Ocho, You ever go see what people do with coco. I know they use a PK canna thing and use espom salt to help Cal-mag. Go to the Coco lover's thread and ask someone there, probably straighten every thing out for you! These problems with Coco is why I mixed up an amended coco. One plant I been adding late flower nutes to because it has a cal-mag problem. I need to add Cal-mag to my next batch. There must be a cal-mag issue with coco. No problem just get the right nute!! Hang in there Brother!!...rw
 
Ocho2

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roofwayne:7555168 said:
Hey Ocho, You ever go see what people do with coco. I know they use a PK canna thing and use espom salt to help Cal-mag. Go to the Coco lover's thread and ask someone there, probably straighten every thing out for you! These problems with Coco is why I mixed up an amended coco. One plant I been adding late flower nutes to because it has a cal-mag problem. I need to add Cal-mag to my next batch. There must be a cal-mag issue with coco. No problem just get the right nute!! Hang in there Brother!!...rw
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They say epsom salt has harmful things in it, according to what I have seen. How often do you water with it? Would it just be smart to get something for it from the hydro store? Anything specific?

Thanks crazy and RW.

-ocho2
 
Ocho2

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There is literally 99% coco. Theres literally 1% soil. I talked to the hydro store. Its like $10 for the calmag that you can use every watering. Rather than having to do it once a week with Epsom salt.

What I have read is after week 3 of bloom, all coco growers without calmag in their water run into this issue.

My only question is why the hell did it vanish for 1 week? Then just magically reappeared.

At least its fixable. Im only worried because I cannot get the calmag until tomorrow. Hell if it wasn't for the mrs. I wouldn't have it until who knows when...

Thanks all. Your all great :3

-Ocho2
 
Ocho2

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crazyhazey:7555030 said:
Ocho2 said:
Post 420..

..maybe i have watered too much, though Ive only watered once a day? Whats the proper amount to water them?

Either im over feeding..or something. Really wondering if I should flush..or just give a dose of non food water..or something ..

Willing to do whatever to save them..
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i think its cal/mag, look up the mj deficiency chart. it doesnt look like a burn really, insane how fast it progressed though. is your medium 100% coco? i dont think you should be watering everyday if not, but if theres soil you should poke some holes in it a few inches away from the main stem.
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There is no more than 2% soil. Its like 98% coco. Simply added the bit of soil for a bit more medium in the bucket. Crazy how it vanishee then boom its back.

The calmag I can get tomorrow. They'll live and be fine until then, right?

God they are looking so damn beautiful, I couldn't imagine if I lost them:(.

Thanks crazy.
-Ocho2
 
BeaverHuntr

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I always use Cal/mag with coco.. I take a step further and precharge my coco with Cal/mag ( marinate my coco in water with 5/ml Cal Mag per gallon) ... I would add 5/ml of Cal mag per gallon of water.
 
Ocho2

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BeaverHuntr:7556390 said:
I always use Cal/mag with coco.. I take a step further and precharge my coco with Cal/mag ( marinate my coco in water with 5/ml Cal Mag per gallon) ... I would add 5/ml of Cal mag per gallon of water.
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Does that seem to be the only thing ill need? I am using a 7-9-5 hydro feed at 1/2 tsp. Per gallon..along with the pH down to adjust the waters pH. 5ml to the gallon and feed with every watering?

+Rep to Beaver. Thanks so much for stopping by. I read a lot about this issue and I should have prepared myself.

Thanks again:3
-Ocho2
 
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Use a Coco specific nutrient and you shouldn't be having any issues. I used House & Garden Coco A+B with Canna Coco and everything went flawlessly. I here all sorts of nightmares with guys using normal nutes in Coco. Coco is as easy to use, better peforming and easier to deal with then Soil as long as you have the proper nutrient in my opinion.
 
Ocho2

Ocho2

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scarboroughgardener:7556465 said:
Use a Coco specific nutrient and you shouldn't be having any issues. I used House & Garden Coco A+B with Canna Coco and everything went flawlessly. I here all sorts of nightmares with guys using normal nutes in Coco. Coco is as easy to use, better peforming and easier to deal with then Soil as long as you have the proper nutrient in my opinion.
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So would it be better to just go with the cal/mag, or should I just switch nutrients? I can do either, just look for the easiest and best solution.

Thanks scar, and +Rep for you.

-Ocho2
 
Ocho2

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The hydro store recommended just doing the cal mag and once I have a new garden to convert to a new nutrient. They have house and garden a+b there though. Trying to determine what route I should go with.

They are in day 31 of darkness now. Im sure once the lights flip ill become a bit more down :/..as I watered with 1/2 strength last night and im predicting more areas will be damaged.

Hope to hear from you all

-Ocho2
 
roofwayne

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Get the Cal-mag. Then change, possible to cause more problem by changing nutes. See no big deal. Do a bongsmilie...rw
 
Ocho2

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roofwayne:7557993 said:
Get the Cal-mag. Then change, possible to cause more problem by changing nutes. See no big deal. Do a bongsmilie...rw
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Thats what I figured. I love coco I just have master it yet.

Do you think the calmag will fix things? He mentioned 5ml per gallon, how do I measure that out?

Thanks RW :3 Bong time.

-Ocho2
 
roofwayne

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It's is a hair over 3 tablespoons! Coco just need more than soil, I thought your nutes might not do it. I was using soil.I wrote a list this great grower uses; Canna pk 13/14,Coco a& b, hesi tnt complex and bloom, bio-bizz grow and bloom, espom salt and molasses. That is a lot of stuff, I wrote that so can see the kind of nutes they use with coco. Of course you don't have to have all that stuff. I need abongsmilie after that..lol....rw
 
Ocho2

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roofwayne:7558681 said:
It's is a hair over 3 tablespoons! Coco just need more than soil, I thought your nutes might not do it. I was using soil.I wrote a list this great grower uses; Canna pk 13/14,Coco a& b, hesi tnt complex and bloom, bio-bizz grow and bloom, espom salt and molasses. That is a lot of stuff, I wrote that so can see the kind of nutes they use with coco. Of course you have to have all that stuff. I need abongsmilie after that..lol....rw
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Thanks a lot RW.

So it's definitely calmag? And do you think tge calmag with my nutrients will do the trick? Along with the pH adjustment of course.

Or is there anything else that I should get?

Went in and took a peak. I can tell swelling is starting to happen..just hope I can cure them in time...

Also, what should I do for feeding tonight? I have two solutions right now. One is 1/4 strength with proper ph, as well as a solution at 1/2 strength thats also adjusted ph. I dont want to make it worse.

Thanks again RW :3
-ocho2
 
crazyhazey

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Ocho2 said:
There is no more than 2% soil. Its like 98% coco. Simply added the bit of soil for a bit more medium in the bucket. Crazy how it vanishee then boom its back.

The calmag I can get tomorrow. They'll live and be fine until then, right?

God they are looking so damn beautiful, I couldn't imagine if I lost them:(.

Thanks crazy.
-Ocho2
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id just check for the phases of the leaves, when theyre overwatered, they droop, when they're wicking out and need water soon, the leaves should perk up, but when they lack water and really need it, they will droop again. best to check your plants more than once a day, coco seems to wick out a lot faster too. the longer you put off feeding them the more itll progress, but after you feed cal/mag shit should be back to normal. its gonna take a few days for them to die though, usually takes about a week before you do any permanent damage with some deficiencies although you should diagnose and solve it as fast as you can so they can get back to swelling, hope all this blows over after you feed em some cal mag, you can just add a pinch of epsom salt to your water and some crushed up eggshells, thats how i fix most of my cal mag deficiencies but i recently bought technaflora's MagiCal, works pretty well.
 
Ocho2

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crazyhazey:7558803 said:
Ocho2 said:
There is no more than 2% soil. Its like 98% coco. Simply added the bit of soil for a bit more medium in the bucket. Crazy how it vanishee then boom its back.

The calmag I can get tomorrow. They'll live and be fine until then, right?

God they are looking so damn beautiful, I couldn't imagine if I lost them:(.

Thanks crazy.
-Ocho2
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id just check for the phases of the leaves, when theyre overwatered, they droop, when they're wicking out and need water soon, the leaves should perk up, but when they lack water and really need it, they will droop again. best to check your plants more than once a day, coco seems to wick out a lot faster too. the longer you put off feeding them the more itll progress, but after you feed cal/mag shit should be back to normal. its gonna take a few days for them to die though, usually takes about a week before you do any permanent damage with some deficiencies although you should diagnose and solve it as fast as you can so they can get back to swelling, hope all this blows over after you feed em some cal mag, you can just add a pinch of epsom salt to your water and some crushed up eggshells, thats how i fix most of my cal mag deficiencies but i recently bought technaflora's MagiCal, works pretty well.
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So it would be better to wait on the feeding? I am going at 10am to get the calmag.

Thanks crazy

-Ocho2
 
crazyhazey

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Ocho2 said:
So it would be better to wait on the feeding? I am going at 10am to get the calmag.

Thanks crazy

-Ocho2
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its not a burn so feed just as much as you would, id say get that calmag as soon as possible so they can move on though.
 
Ocho2

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crazyhazey:7558833 said:
Ocho2 said:
So it would be better to wait on the feeding? I am going at 10am to get the calmag.

Thanks crazy

-Ocho2
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its not a burn so feed just as much as you would, id say get that calmag as soon as possible so they can move on though.
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Do you think the 5ml per gallon of calmag will be what I need from here until the end? Or do you have to lower the amount eventually?

Ill feed them at the half strength. I am sure the ladies want their food even though not all of it's there.

Thanks a lot crazy. It would seem that this entire time, even if my ph was off, it was the calmag issue. Because its all what happened before, and it continued. Maybe the pH adjustment helped some but it wasn't the complete problem.

What another relief this is. Thanks crazy and all.

-Ocho2
 
crazyhazey

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Ocho2 said:
Do you think the 5ml per gallon of calmag will be what I need from here until the end? Or do you have to lower the amount eventually?

Ill feed them at the half strength. I am sure the ladies want their food even though not all of it's there.

Thanks a lot crazy. It would seem that this entire time, even if my ph was off, it was the calmag issue. Because its all what happened before, and it continued. Maybe the pH adjustment helped some but it wasn't the complete problem.

What another relief this is. Thanks crazy and all.

-Ocho2
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depends what they suggest, some solutions are more diluted than others. it seems some of them had this cal/mag deficiency to a small degree, pH flux was the biggest one last time although. id only feed it every 2 or 3 waters, the leaves will tell you when you need to.
 
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