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123gandolfi

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hi .
has anyone got any experience with a good seed bank that produces seeds that are all like they say on the pack.the best I had was from serious seeds all 10 grew to the same size they basically looked like clones.i don't have the capability to grow a mother is an aero tray so im looking for a good indica with good yields.so many breeders info is shit .serious seeds always out of stock
many thanks
 
phil k

phil k

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123gandolfi said:
hi .
has anyone got any experience with a good seed bank that produces seeds that are all like they say on the pack.the best I had was from serious seeds all 10 grew to the same size they basically looked like clones.i don't have the capability to grow a mother is an aero tray so im looking for a good indica with good yields.so many breeders info is shit .serious seeds always out of stock
many thanks
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yeah they are some of the best genetics I've ever had.. their AK47 and their white russian were some unforgettable grows. i was getting ready to reorder the white russian this year.
anyway green house seeds is SUPER stable and quality .... barneys farm is generally just as good. .... DNA... REserva privada ... are generally all super stable as well. but restarting from seed every time is a pain i would figure a way to keep a mom.. it allows consistency and stability all around. you sometimes can just get either old seeds or MAYBE bad ones sometimes ... and not having a back up can be a headache..
 
We Can Make Sandwiches

We Can Make Sandwiches

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phil k said:
yeah they are some of the best genetics I've ever had.. their AK47 and their white russian were some unforgettable grows. i was getting ready to reorder the white russian this year.
anyway green house seeds is SUPER stable and quality .... barneys farm is generally just as good. .... DNA... REserva privada ... are generally all super stable as well. but restarting from seed every time is a pain i would figure a way to keep a mom.. it allows consistency and stability all around. you sometimes can just get either old seeds or MAYBE bad ones sometimes ... and not having a back up can be a headache..
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Barneys farm and green house are awful bruv, Ive seen way more bad reports then good.. I wouldnt say anything they do is considered 'stable'.. i have however seen/had good results with dna/reserva privada. But every bean is different , ever pack of seeds is different..ones opinion varies to the next.
 
phil k

phil k

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We Can Make Sandwiches said:
Barneys farm and green house are awful bruv, Ive seen way more bad reports then good.. I wouldnt say anything they do is considered 'stable'.. i have however seen/had good results with dna/reserva privada. But every bean is different , ever pack of seeds is different..ones opinion varies to the next.
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then you must not order from them much.. we do
 
phil k

phil k

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123gandolfi said:
uk mate.ther are some good shops around just bad breeder info
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well what do you mean by bad breeder info? can u be more specific..

i mean regardless the chances of you starting saying 10 reg seeds .. getting not only a female keeper but a keeper that shows or carries all the same traits and characteristics the breeder states is very slim to very little on 10.. so having ALL 10 seeds be the exact same just isn't going to happen especially when starting every time from seed...but you also have o keep in mind how much something as stupid as say overwatering can change the outcome of the product looks and quality.

but thats why we all keep moms... or have a local source for properly raised genetics.
 
Mr.Head

Mr.Head

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phil k said:
then you must not order from them much.. we do
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what on earth have you ordered from them that is stable? and quality?

GHS Bubba Kush should be all anyone need look at to never order from that company. They lie about everything, they sell seeds that aren't related to the 'cup winning" buds, or they just straight up lie about plant characteristics to win a cup. They have been banned from the Cannabis cup before for bribing judges, so now they just lie and say strains will finish in 5.5 weeks when they realistically can't finish in 8. They literally found some OG and handed it out and lied to everyone at the cup to make hype for Flower Bomb Kush.

Greenhouse seeds is the reason cannabis cups get looked at with a skeptical eye, they are the reason folks say cup wins don't matter, because they produce shit genetics time after time they aren't worth growing to most folks.

With that said folks find keepers in weird places lol. A broken clock... yadda yadda.

let's not even get into their destruction of land race genetics.
 
phil k

phil k

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LOL... to each his own.. i hate a lot of the top breeders and have had bad genetics from EVERY company... for you to sit and say theres one seed company that not only is 100% stable and nothing but funk is silly... everyone brings something to the table.. and you bitch about green house seeds but they changed the whole fucking game and still to this date with strain hunters are changing the game..
you must know very little about the cup....and high times... high times was put on blast for taking bribes for all their annual hydro reports... so do you not support high times and the cannabis cup? hell i know people here in that were promised free clones from our cannabis cup winner for the vote in the cup.... i have heard that shit so many fucking times its stupid.. maybe your not thinking about the money involved in the cup... id bribe fucking judges too if i could....

the church... super lemon haze.. flower bomb kush...AUH #2 ... kalishnakova and the doctor i have had from them not one issue with genetics and the only thing i didn't like out of all them was AUH#2 ..
 
phil k

phil k

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trust me i dont support shit like that but it happens its going to happen and don't sit and say if you were a multi million dollar seed breeder and all it took was 100,000$ in bribes to win the cup and bring in 1.5 million in sales that you wouldn't do it.. come on!!
 
phil k

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AHH wait i did have bubba kush ... that was one i would say i never got good genes from...
but again a lot of companies have that same issue.. i mean look at ACE of Spades from TGA ... i heard his mother hermed which means all his seeds obtained from that mommy at some point and time more than likely will hermie as well... does that make him a bad breeder.. no shit happens .. because one strain had issues doesn't mean all his will..
 
Mr.Head

Mr.Head

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phil k said:
trust me i dont support shit like that but it happens its going to happen and don't sit and say if you were a multi million dollar seed breeder and all it took was 100,000$ in bribes to win the cup and bring in 1.5 million in sales that you wouldn't do it.. come on!!
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I'd rather win on my work. How much in sales are they losing because they are shady?

But I understand honesty is not part of this game and never has been. I will not support a dishonest company with my money plain and simple I want to know what I am getting is legit not some knock off.

I don't live in a legal area I don't have access to the clone market, buying from seedbanks or encountering kind folks online is the only way I get to try these genetics, for a company to lie and make me have to dig into such a basic strain as Bubba just to make sure I'm not being ripped off is bullshit and I will never support that.

To say they are doing great things with Strainhunters shows you don't understand what they are actually doing, I didn't at first either but as time goes on it gets more clear, they are trying to stockpile old world genetics for hoarding as evidenced by them not selling a single land race under this new name still a year+ after it started, and many years after their expeditions. All the while releasing their dutch shit into the fields of these farmers and muddying future generations of these landraces so that they aren't their for anyone else to work with.

Beyond the realm of Cannabis what GHS is doing is highly illegal, going to foreign countries and purposely destroying their native-ish plant life is fucking disgusting to say the least. They are without a doubt the scummiest of the scum.

I used to watch the documentaries thinking "Oh man this is cool they are going to preserve it all" how fucking naive I was, once you look into these guys it becomes pretty clear what they are doing and why. He's the king of cannabis HAHAHAHAHAH after all right?
 
phil k

phil k

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OBVIOUSLY we all would rather win on our work... but he was winning the cup without bribing anyone for MANY years.. think about the moola he brought in when he was young. trust me I'm not okaying it .. but for ANYONE to say they wouldn't give 100,000$ to gain 1million is lying. we all would maybe you won't admit it.

i mean you keep saying things like they're hoarding genetics and not letting them out... they pay to travel to these specific parts of the world to obtain their genetics. and they are supposed to be hoarding them out or using them ... why? thats like saying any company that is a medical company that goes to remote jungles and acuires chemicals from plants so be allowing everyone to have these chemicals cheap and or free and everyone should have access to their best meds.. . but why ? that is the chemical companies personal choice... granted we may not like it and what they do but to say their product is bunk because we don't like how they do business is a silly way of looking at things. i mean thats a choice to have personally as a reason not to buy... but saying they have bunk genetics because i don't like them is just spreading BS... sorry......

but i do feel you i mean i see what your saying but its like monsanto.. think of the heads they crushed to get on top.. and they will continue that to stay there.. we hate them but REALLY we wouldn't have enough food if it wasn't for them.

im not saying GHS is needed like monsanto but how they run their business is their choice.


Mr.Head said:
I'd rather win on my work. How much in sales are they losing because they are shady?

But I understand honesty is not part of this game and never has been. I will not support a dishonest company with my money plain and simple I want to know what I am getting is legit not some knock off.

I don't live in a legal area I don't have access to the clone market, buying from seedbanks or encountering kind folks online is the only way I get to try these genetics, for a company to lie and make me have to dig into such a basic strain as Bubba just to make sure I'm not being ripped off is bullshit and I will never support that.

To say they are doing great things with Strainhunters shows you don't understand what they are actually doing, I didn't at first either but as time goes on it gets more clear, they are trying to stockpile old world genetics for hoarding as evidenced by them not selling a single land race under this new name still a year+ after it started, and many years after their expeditions. All the while releasing their dutch shit into the fields of these farmers and muddying future generations of these landraces so that they aren't their for anyone else to work with.

Beyond the realm of Cannabis what GHS is doing is highly illegal, going to foreign countries and purposely destroying their native-ish plant life is fucking disgusting to say the least. They are without a doubt the scummiest of the scum.

I used to watch the documentaries thinking "Oh man this is cool they are going to preserve it all" how fucking naive I was, once you look into these guys it becomes pretty clear what they are doing and why. He's the king of cannabis HAHAHAHAHAH after all right?
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phil k

phil k

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so explain this to me cause your right i don't know as much about the back story as you do... but what you typed didn't make sense and i want to understand it
"To say they are doing great things with Strainhunters shows you don't understand what they are actually doing, I didn't at first either but as time goes on it gets more clear, they are trying to stockpile old world genetics for hoarding as evidenced by them not selling a single land race under this new name still a year+ after it started, and many years after their expeditions. All the while releasing their dutch shit into the fields of these farmers and muddying future generations of these landraces so that they aren't their for anyone else to work with."



Mr.Head said:
I'd rather win on my work. How much in sales are they losing because they are shady?

But I understand honesty is not part of this game and never has been. I will not support a dishonest company with my money plain and simple I want to know what I am getting is legit not some knock off.

I don't live in a legal area I don't have access to the clone market, buying from seedbanks or encountering kind folks online is the only way I get to try these genetics, for a company to lie and make me have to dig into such a basic strain as Bubba just to make sure I'm not being ripped off is bullshit and I will never support that.

To say they are doing great things with Strainhunters shows you don't understand what they are actually doing, I didn't at first either but as time goes on it gets more clear, they are trying to stockpile old world genetics for hoarding as evidenced by them not selling a single land race under this new name still a year+ after it started, and many years after their expeditions. All the while releasing their dutch shit into the fields of these farmers and muddying future generations of these landraces so that they aren't their for anyone else to work with.

Beyond the realm of Cannabis what GHS is doing is highly illegal, going to foreign countries and purposely destroying their native-ish plant life is fucking disgusting to say the least. They are without a doubt the scummiest of the scum.

I used to watch the documentaries thinking "Oh man this is cool they are going to preserve it all" how fucking naive I was, once you look into these guys it becomes pretty clear what they are doing and why. He's the king of cannabis HAHAHAHAHAH after all right?
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D_Urbmon

D_Urbmon

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PeakseedsBC C99 or Skunk Berry. I grew out 18 C99 ladies from 2 different dads. They were all nearly identical. I also grew out 7 Skunk Berry ladies which were all nearly identical as well.

The c99 is not listed on his website but it is available upon request.
 
Mr.Head

Mr.Head

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well what they are doing is releasing their genetics to these farmers then the farmers are growing them. Eventually after a few seasons the waters have been muddied so to speak the genetics become mixed in the open outdoor grows which pollutes what could have been a "landrace" which has been unique to that region for years sometimes hundreds.

All while taking the seeds from these pure plants and hoarding them, when what they were supposed to be doing is releasing them to the public, but instead GHS will use them as exclusive breeding stock and maybe, if we're so blessed by the king of cannabis they might release the landraces in fem :)

They make it seem like they are doing a great service when in reality they could be potentially destroying unique old world genetics that folks should have access to as we learn more and more about the plant these things being lost forever could be hugely destructive..

That said these farmers that are given the seeds are hopefully going to prepare against the chances of contamination.

It's about money to them, and that's it. They want to have the stock pile while everyone else is fucked and has to come to them.

The worst part is they know what they are doing...
 
D_Urbmon

D_Urbmon

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Is it selfish of us to worry about old world genetics being destroyed if these new dutch strains can produce a better crop for the peasant farmers? Or is it not selfish because some of these landrace strains may have superior medicinal values and can be lost forever through the pollution of outside genetics? Then again, it's hard to imagine a dutch hybrid doing better than the landrace strains which have been grown for hundreds, possibly thousands of years and adapted to the specific environment over the generations.

I'm more worried about the strains being patented and protected forever, never to be released in regular seed form. Such market control. Just a fucking bitch move to pull. I have no respect for any breeder(or seed maker) that only puts out feminized seeds.

Whatever happened to freeing the plant? They are going in the wrong direction.
 
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