Seeds From A Hermie..??

OldMedUser said:

I know that fem plants do go hermie so there's still the problem of male flowers forming and seeding up the crop which most folks don't want happening in their gardens regardless if all the seeds will grow more hermie/female plants. It's an undesirable trait to have in any strain.

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Feminized seeds are made with a chemical called STS that stops the flow of a hormone that allows the part of the plant to reverse. It has nothing to do with stressing the plant at all.

And I only grow feminized seeds because of plant count and space and like I said I have only had seeds appear once in a while on a random plant.

I plant a seed or clone per week and harvest one per week for years now.

I am going to say 5% had any seeds at all. And 3% of hat was my inexperience.

The 2% left goes for any seed regular or feminized.

And the grower is more likely at fault or the environment than the seeds with a good breeder.

Stealthstyle said:

Basically if a plants foreced into hermy the genes will be fmeale for the seeds.
If its a hermy x hermy seeds will be hermy
If its male x female seeds will be 60% or higher female
female forced into hermy x female = female seeds.

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There is no scientific basis for any of this except the females will self female seeds and if crossed make female seeds.

And a few nanners is not a true hermie. A hermaphrodite plant would grow male and female parts together from maturity.

We are just talking stress seeds. Any senemile grower would remove a hermie. And they are incredibly rare.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Unless the genetics are really bad in the first place what you say here is just a myth. 1/3 of them. Cmon'

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A guy gave me about 200 seeds from a grow of afghani kush that had got semi-seeded from 'nanners. I sprouted 40 of them and 36 went into 2 DWC tubs. A dozen of them started showing balls almost right away, another dozen were males. A few more popped some balls around week four and I bred some nice non-hermie boys with all the girls. A couple of the girls started popping 'nanners near the end so any seeds from them were rejected and all the plants I ever grew from the seeds I did save, about 50 over the next few years, grew up without ever going hermie.

I'd say at least a 1/3 to half hermed from the original batch.

tpc_mikey said:

I have always read that seed banks use Hermied plant pollen to pollinate female plants to create the Feminized seed, thus you are carrying over that genetic of hermaphrodism to the feminized seed so its there laying in the darkness waiting to come out, hell some of the best strains we have right now are accidental pollinations lol i.e. Gorilla Glue for example. I have a GG going right now and she has thrown so many dicks i started to think she was a bananna tree but ive dilegently picked 98% of them off have found a few that opened unfortunatly but im gonna grow out the bud anyways and see how she turns out, only plant i have going currently so no harm done just have some seedy smoke but bet its still dank!View attachment 3937971 View attachment 3937972 View attachment 3937973

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Gorilla glue is a hybrid of different diesel strains. Diesel tends to throw bananas.

And I mentioned above that feminized strains are made through a chemical hormone changing process.

You can spray STS on a branch and cover it up and that will be where the seeds grow. The rest of the buds can still be harvested seedless.

But bad breeding or simply crossing elite clones can bring out the worst in plants. I think peoples opinion on this directly come from the genetics they use.

Budzbuddha said:

The weed gods smiled on you ...
I got some medicine at a local dispensary last year and the strain CANDY DREAM had one seed in it. I planted said plant and let it run . At harvest it produced a few more , but gave me one of the potent smokes ever. Heavy sativa Blue Dream cross - with purp GDP .
rodelization
Is probably what happened to your girl . It really isnt a bad thing overall especially if plant DID NOT SHOW typical hermie traits.
rodelization can happen from ANY stress whether from feeding / overwatering or other reasons. This is why all weed plants are handled differently and not the same. Some like lighter feeds , some dont . All mj can make male flowers. The bananas can be carefully harvested and stored for future seed making ( its ALL female pollen ) since no males were involved.


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I took cutting from this original at week 4/5 of veg for cloning ... Those plants at harvest produced a few more , never alot just a 8-10 from whole plant.

I took the female bananas i found on a couple plants and saved pollen , now i dust a few branches on flowering plants and harvest as usual.
I keep the strain going and have seeds for days.


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Its natures way of prolonging its line ......

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Nice post and I agree entirely. But no need to shout man.

OldMedUser said:

Twice I've had males start growing female flowers so Lady Cannabis swings both ways. View attachment 3938499

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You seem to have very unstable genetics for some reason.

I have never heard any grower with this many sexing problems.

You have seen 2 male true hermies and you are afraid 1/3 of feminized seeds will throw nanners again.

I would look into your environment first and then find a good breeder.

And maybe read Marijuana Botany by Clark.

tpc_mikey said:

ON my GG i have noticed some crazy hermies, i will have a calyx with several hairs coming out of it and then few days later it will have like 2 to 3 nanners start growing out of them

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If they are earlier than week 6 I would look into environment, nutrients and maybe light leaks.

If they are late stamen. They are common on this kind of plant. Some strains are trickier than others. Just pick them off and if they don't come back no more problem. And the later they are the less threat of pollen.

OldMedUser said:

A guy gave me about 200 seeds from a grow of afghani kush that had got semi-seeded from 'nanners. I sprouted 40 of them and 36 went into 2 DWC tubs. A dozen of them started showing balls almost right away, another dozen were males. A few more popped some balls around week four and I bred some nice non-hermie boys with all the girls. A couple of the girls started popping 'nanners near the end so any seeds from them were rejected and all the plants I ever grew from the seeds I did save, about 50 over the next few years, grew up without ever going hermie.

I'd say at least a 1/3 to half hermed from the original batch.

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Yes but from those plants of that strain only. And the crop made 200 seeds. Bad genetics bad Grow.

How can you say that applies to any other plants or seeds.

I just harvested another beautiful plant from my own stress seed. I have a Diesel heavy Blue Lemon Thai that likes to put out a couple surprise seeds each time. Never see a nanner. Hidden down low I guess.

But the plant resulting is fine. Hell its fire!

MichiganMedGrower said:

If they are earlier than week 6 I would look into environment, nutrients and maybe light leaks.

If they are late stamen. They are common on this kind of plant. Some strains are trickier than others. Just pick them off and if they don't come back no more problem. And the later they are the less threat of pollen.

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I sure doubt its my environement, I grow in a sealed closet no lite leaks, i grow in 10gal smart pots all organic only thing i have introduced other than water is recharge which is just bennies. And it started showing nanners in first 2 weeks since its the only thing i have in flower im letting it go hell who cares if it has a few seeds should still be some dank bud.

tpc_mikey said:

I sure doubt its my environement, I grow in a sealed closet no lite leaks, i grow in 10gal smart pots all organic only thing i have introduced other than water is recharge which is just bennies. And it started showing nanners in first 2 weeks since its the only thing i have in flower im letting it go hell who cares if it has a few seeds should still be some dank bud.

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First 2 weeks after pistils showed or actual balls showed with them?

And I didn't mean to say your environment caused it. Just that it is the first place to look.

Last time I had any recurring nanners they were right in the path of a direct sunlight pinhole in my window board tape. I had not noticed. My fault. It really would have been continued light on the area where the nanners kept coming out.

MichiganMedGrower said:

First 2 weeks after pistils showed or actual balls showed with them?

And I didn't mean to say your environment caused it. Just that it is the first place to look.

Last time I had any recurring nanners they were right in the path of a direct sunlight pinhole in my window board tape. I had not noticed. My fault. It really would have been continued light on the area where the nanners kept coming out.

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Yeah mine showed pistils for about 2 weeks then a nanners here and there all over the plant i bet ive picked 75 to 100 off them last 2 weeks and pretty much think i have gotten all of them and no new ones have showed up in the last week or so, figure if they do pollinate big deal, remember buddy of mine telling me he had 4 plants hermie and tossed them all but one and he was gonna keep the one to get some seeds off it and it never ended up pollinating itself zero seeds in it lol was pissed he tossed the other 3 but i should be fine even if i get a few seeds still gonna be an awesome smoke.

tpc_mikey said:

Yeah mine showed pistils for about 2 weeks then a nanners here and there all over the plant i bet ive picked 75 to 100 off them last 2 weeks and pretty much think i have gotten all of them and no new ones have showed up in the last week or so, figure if they do pollinate big deal, remember buddy of mine telling me he had 4 plants hermie and tossed them all but one and he was gonna keep the one to get some seeds off it and it never ended up pollinating itself zero seeds in it lol was pissed he tossed the other 3 but i should be fine even if i get a few seeds still gonna be an awesome smoke.

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You are right. Nanners don't automatically have viable pollen. But that's a lot of early nanners. I understand your situation but I would have to remove that plant from my perpetual garden because of risk.

But the plants that throw a few for me are usually fire.

Good luck.

MichiganMedGrower said:

You are right. Nanners don't automatically have viable pollen. But that's a lot of early nanners. I understand your situation but I would have to remove that plant from my perpetual garden because of risk.

But the plants that throw a few for me are usually fire.

Good luck.

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Yes if my perp garden was up and running i would have tossed it but it is the only one i have in flower currently so what the hell, so onto the perp garden lol, I am in the process of starting one now got my 2 mother plants are about 13 days old will move them to my current flower area i have now to just veg im planning on taking couple clones a week off each one rooting them then vegging them a couple weeks then straight into flower tent. I am hopping to get a system down that allows me to harvest 2 plants every 2 weeks, do you have a journal or system you are doing and how often are you harvesting? I am currently setting up my 8x4 tent just at a dilema at moment on what lights to put in it not sure if i want to do 2 400w HPS or 2 600w Viparspectra any input is appreciated.

You will need at least 600w per side to cover a 4x8. 400 w good for 3x3.

No experience with leds. I use 2 600hps and 1 315 LEC in flower. And a fluorescent t-5 veg tent.

I plant a feminized seed or clone each week and harvest about each week 1 plant.

I like the variety. I run a different plant each time. Except for a couple favorite clones.

System is simple. Ocean forest from seed/ clone to harvest. Well water only through veg transplanting up from party cups. To 1 gallon then final 3 gallon pot.

I add pure Blend Pro Grow only when the soil is depleted in flower. And I tend to bend all plants by week 2 to promote many tops.

I mix a specific nute gallon up for each plant each watering and take care of them all individually for the highest quality I can manage.

That's pretty much it.

I don't have a journal but I have posted a lot in Club 315 since I bought one.

grow them! that's how i started growing - found two seeds in the BEST EVER bag i'd ever had and grew them out. they both turned out to be girls - the clones and mothers all did great and not one hermed on me. when i lost the strain, i hoped i would find a seed or two but nothing.. the smoke was exactly like the original bag of cannabis too. well, actually it was better because i did a better job growing it (yes, even on my first run. sorry uncle ron)

MichiganMedGrower said:

You will need at least 600w per side to cover a 4x8. 400 w good for 3x3.

No experience with leds. I use 2 600hps and 1 315 LEC in flower. And a fluorescent t-5 veg tent.

I plant a feminized seed or clone each week and harvest about each week 1 plant.

I like the variety. I run a different plant each time. Except for a couple favorite clones.

System is simple. Ocean forest from seed/ clone to harvest. Well water only through veg transplanting up from party cups. To 1 gallon then final 3 gallon pot.

I add pure Blend Pro Grow only when the soil is depleted in flower. And I tend to bend all plants by week 2 to promote many tops.

I mix a specific nute gallon up for each plant each watering and take care of them all individually for the highest quality I can manage.

That's pretty much it.

I don't have a journal but I have posted a lot in Club 315 since I bought one.

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Kind of what i thought i Use a single old school 400w HPS now but only grow one plant under it, so guessing i need to get 2 600w. Do you recommend a good brand i see all these cheap ones on amazon but not sure if they are worth getting. And my grow is done exactly as yours I use FFOF/HappyFrog 50/50 i amend with worm castings kelp meal and tomato tone witha dash of hi cal dolomite lime as a ph buffer, The plant im growing has had nothing but water put on it and did a small top dressing first day of flower of some bat guano, reason i think i got a little nute burn on tips i have a bottle of tiger bloom on hand just in case the kelp meal and tomato tone are not enough for flower and soil starts to deplete but im guessing i will be ok. I also use recharge in my water to add the microbes and bennies.

tpc_mikey said:

Kind of what i thought i Use a single old school 400w HPS now but only grow one plant under it, so guessing i need to get 2 600w. Do you recommend a good brand i see all these cheap ones on amazon but not sure if they are worth getting. And my grow is done exactly as yours I use FFOF/HappyFrog 50/50 i amend with worm castings kelp meal and tomato tone witha dash of hi cal dolomite lime as a ph buffer, The plant im growing has had nothing but water put on it and did a small top dressing first day of flower of some bat guano, reason i think i got a little nute burn on tips i have a bottle of tiger bloom on hand just in case the kelp meal and tomato tone are not enough for flower and soil starts to deplete but im guessing i will be ok. I also use recharge in my water to add the microbes and bennies.

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I use Hortilux Super hps for the better spectrum and still mix in a ceramic metal halide for more full spectrum and some uv.

But you can grow good weed with most if the stuff they sell. The increases from additives and special lighting are in diminishing returns.

A few percent better is all that is possible from them. Good gardening and a good environment are far more important.

I am considering a method more like yours. I may mix in and topdress when needed an organic pellet nute and other than that well water only the whole cycle. Man that would be sweet if I could get the same results.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I use Hortilux Super hps for the better spectrum and still mix in a ceramic metal halide for more full spectrum and some uv.

But you can grow good weed with most if the stuff they sell. The increases from additives and special lighting are in diminishing returns.

A few percent better is all that is possible from them. Good gardening and a good environment are far more important.

I am considering a method more like yours. I may mix in and topdress when needed an organic pellet nute and other than that well water only the whole cycle. Man that would be sweet if I could get the same results.

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Well this is as a of a couple days ago think im in like day 22 or 23 would have to look, but yeah this is gonna be some sweet bud in another 40 days and not to bad off 1 400w HPS that im not kidding i bought in 1997 lol

hi everyone,
I have 3 plants out of 7 that are starting to show stamens(I'm counting max 10 bananas per 5ft plant, all grown in a manifold style), in a 6x4 tent. I overkilled it with 2x1000w hps lights at 12 inches of the canopy. Nanners are showing at the end of my avenger reflector where most of the light is concentrated. I'm at 7-10 days of harvest, should I be worried? What's the best solution : harvesting the 3 plants with bananas right now or wait 7 days and harvest everything at the same time?

Thanks

Bruce K. said:

hi everyone,
I have 3 plants out of 7 that are starting to show stamens(I'm counting max 10 bananas per 5ft plant, all grown in a manifold style), in a 6x4 tent. I overkilled it with 2x1000w hps lights at 12 inches of the canopy. Nanners are showing at the end of my avenger reflector where most of the light is concentrated. I'm at 7-10 days of harvest, should I be worried? What's the best solution : harvesting the 3 plants with bananas right now or wait 7 days and harvest everything at the same time?

Thanks

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Well if you are that close to chopping it down i wouldnt be concerned they wont have time to produce seeds but if you have other plants flowering that are farther out or you plan to use that tent in the future i would get them picked off and tossed or you have a cleaning chore ahead of you.