Seen many posts flaming Advanced Nutrients.Anyone had good or better than good result

look up sublbc on youtube he and two other guys are using A.N. to see who gets the best results. sublbc is an awsome grower who pulls big yeilds using botanicare nutes. sublbc is pretty upset at how much A.N charges for their nutes and he lets everyone know about it on his channel. but he's going to try out A.N. connoisseur to see if it will really up his yields by 40%. check it out should be a good show!! look up stickyfingerkoma on you tube too he uses A.N. and has some pretty bad ass videos. he is also one of the other two competitors in the A.N grow off

Sensibowl said:

I've always liked Sensi A&B, works well for me too. No bad experiences from it yet...I wish I could share photos, but my woman would kill me.

All I can say is that Advanced Nutrients is a strong lineup and while I don't always use Voodoo Juice, it's certainly worked well in the times that I have. I think having strong base nutes is the best starting point, but adding on more nutes tends to be helpful as well.

I think a lot of people flame AN because they have the wrong impression that you NEED to use all of the nutes that they sell, all at once. But that's really not the case. And experienced growers know better. People seem to think that a company strongly trying to sell what they are selling is some sort of travesty.

Uh, no.

You just need to think for yourself what makes the most sense to you as a grower.

Hydro is so easy with AN too, okay, well, not easy easy. I would suggest you use the Advanced Nutrients calculator on their site since you can just adjust the different sorts of grows to find out what you need to use for the grow and the best results possible.

good luck...

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Exactly! I don't get why so many people complain about the number of products AN sells. As you said, the experienced guys know you don't use everything all at once (or even in a single grow unless you really, really want to).

All I can figure is that some people WANT to hate Advanced Nutrients for whatever reason, and will look for any excuse to hate on them. Even dumb ones like that.


I must say I'm curious about that sublbc grow that sloppy joe mentioned. I looked at that and it could be very cool. Of course sublbc hates AN like it's his job (it might be, actually) so I'm not sure I'd believe his results were totally on the level.

Yeah u know,

After 288 views and only 21 responses. including mine. i don't think all the Anti AN hype is all it is really cracked up to be. I'm sure there have been some very experienced growers come by here and none of them totally dogged AN so maybe it's not THAT bad. As far are growing results are concerned. I probably have another 3 more grows before I change to another or stay with AN. For all intents and purposes I'd call the Anti Advanced Nutrients campaign ...."BUSTED!!" In the respect that there is no bad grow news about it. if we look at the owner and his moral convictions maybe we have a debate but that's not the question here.


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The products work fine, it's the ridiculous prices they charge that people have a problem with. You can get the same results with basic products that wont cost you half a harvest.

Heya Plaguedog,

Maybe your right. I'll have to actually price them in order to see if there is actually a difference. I just went in asked for what I wanted and ran out. I try not to linger in the grow shop. Just feels kinda weird...

I'm gonna check out the prices I'll chime back in l8r.

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I think AN has a pretty good nutrient line, although the price is high compared to the competition. I run the Sensi A&B and have really good results. GH has a pretty good line-up too but i feel like they have a higher salt content and cake up much easier. I can't really make a side by side comparison though because I've never run multiple lines at the same time.

I had great results with their line but have since switched to GH Maxiblom with Floro Plus and get better results at half the cost.

vladxp said:

i always used only advanced nutrients... at first I used the charts in the back of the bottles AND I BURNED THE FUCK OUTTA MY PLANTS (I grow Hydro in bins) but then when I went on the AN website I found charts there that were totally different (about 70% less concentrated in the veg and 30% in bud OMFG I had overnute problems all of the lol) .. Sensi A and B will automatically ph your water to 5.6 SHARP which is fuken awesome... but conoisseur AndB will NOT ... also AN REVIVE helped me alot.. great product... can use as foliar spray too... voodoo juice gave me INSANE results but its real shit so be prepared to smell the real farm

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Thei so called PH PPM perfect is still not out. Also it wont keep your actual PH at a certain level but rather make the nutrients more available at a much larger PH range. From the horses mouth FYI.

To be more precise, it does keep your pH within a certain range through the use of buffers. That's not the new tech - any decent hydroponic nutrient employs buffers to keep the pH within a certain range.

The thing is that the buffers only work for so long before they're used up, and they only work so well. One of the places the cheap nutes skimp to keep their costs low so they can stay profitable is on their buffer solutions. That's why you'll see a much more stable pH for longer with premium nutes.

Combining it with something to allow the nutrients to remain bioavailable to the plants at a much larger pH range is what's new and very cool. What they're saying is that so long as the pH isn't so high or so low that it actually melts the roots the plants can still absorb all the nutes they need. That's freakin awesome.

If it works, of course.


But the pH Perfect system will have both buffers and whatever the new stuff is.

Problem people have with AN is the price and not necessarily the quality. And the reason they're prices are so jacked is because they separate everything into a separate item. Take their beneficials...They separated it into Phirana and Tarantula...Which is bullshit...Great White is a lot cheaper and they're not separated...If you go through the list, Great White actually has a lot more strains than Phirana and Tarantula combined. Or their carbo load that's now bud candy...I personally use H&G and their base already has all the carbs, micro and macro that the plant needs from start to finish....That's why when you add up all the stuff that AN has separated it just gets to be way too much.... Again, quality is high but not worth the price considering all the other quality stuff out there

@ hugetom80s - thanks for the info on how it works or at least in theory..
oh +R!!

@ ozut - i first went into my shop and got another well known brand. And as i walked out I thought about how i could have no tests if I didn't stick with a good control base of advanced nutrients.. So I returned the bottles of the other brand and the difference that i paid wasn't like enormous. Now the Big bud and Bud Candy almost sent me into a coma but the base nutes sense Bloom A+B weren't like killer knock me out prices...

And plus i didn't price the other additives (I was still hurting mentally from the price I had to shell out) so they may be expensive also.


Pure...

You missed some of the sticker shock by not pricing Sensizyme ($100 a gal and you need about 16 ozs for 25 gal res) and Overdrive (about $120 a gal but you use a lot less). The line is expensive as hell, but I still use them and I am totally satisfied. There may be less expensive neuts that work as well, but the old saying goes - if it works well, why change.

ok so i didn't read through the whole thread... i imagine it has a lot of people saying good and bad shit about advance and other brands. personally, advanced was my first nutrient selection, i used sensi a+b and i added Cal-Mag plus from botanicare to make up for calcium deficiency. there are some good things about these nutrients, but i will say i feel like they put a lot of money into advertising, and significantly less on manufacturing. i'll give you my list of pros and cons from my experience with these products

THE GOOD:

it is true when they tell you that ph doesn't matter with these nutrients. just as an experiment, i did have one plant that i let get up to around 9 for a week, and the plant didn't show any signs of poor health. in addition after a week of 9 ph, the solution dropped from ~750 ppm to ~550 ppm, showing absorption of the nutrients. THIS DOESN'T MEAN OPTIMAL ABSORPTION AT THIS LEVEL, but at least you know your plants have lower odds of dying from nutrient lock-out.

the Sensi Line is pretty user-friendly. unlike some brands, the equal ratio of part a to part b is a nice advantage, because at least you know if you a a tsp. of A, you also need a tsp. of B

they know they're market, and they're not afraid to say it. it's no secret that people use nutrients to grow pot, but Advance cornered the Newbie market with their advertising of "Bigger, Better-tasting Buds"

finally, most importantly, these nutrients will do fine for most people, especially if you're new to growing. they should carry your crop to harvest, which is the goal of any grow op. obviously.

THE BAD:

ok so they may be able to be absorbed at most ph ranges, but it's a good thing because from what i've seen the ph is incredibly unstable, and hard to adjust. when i begun using Sensi grow, my tap water came out at ~130-150 ppm. after adding cal-mag plus was at about 250-300 ppm, with very little change in ph. after adding the Sensi parts a and b at one tsp. per gallon each, my ppm reached 600-650 most days. when i tried to adjust my ph, typically it would be at around 6.5 after adding all nutrients, but before adding any ph adjusters. so i started by adding 0.5ml ph down per gallon of solution. and after letting it stabilize for about 5 min, the ph is right around 6.2. so, i add a little more ph down, this time at a rate of 0.25ml per gallon. after 5 minutes the ph is around 6.0. this is when it would always go weird on me. i would add another 0.25 per gallon to adjust ph, and it starts bouncing around like crazy. i watched my meter read as low as 5.0 and as high as 8.0 in only a few seconds. this will drive you mad, which is ultimately why i stopped checking ph daily.

for some reason, which may or may not be nutrient related, i had a couple plants which experienced root rot while using these nutrients. i believe it is the nutrients, perhaps they lower the ability for the solution to hold oxygen or something, because in otherwise identical conditions, my botanicare plants have never experienced it.

FLAVOR- this is a biggy. i use a 2 week flush for my plants, and even with this they still had a chemical aftertaste. not particularly strong, but unpleasant all the same.

finally, they make some outrageous claims. i remember the ad that made me want to use them... "we've had reports of some people's plants growing 2 inches in a day!" maybe some people experience this in the stretch week, but after my results with them i'd be fairly surprised with this.


we all have different tastes and preferences, so advanced may work very well for you. personally, i prefer botanicare. they're easy to use, they don't leave flavor in the buds as long as you flush properly, and ph is easy to adjust. anymore i only check my ph after i add all my nutrients and 1ml ph down... it's more like reassurance cuz it's always right between 5.7 and 5.8. whatever you decide to stick with, the best thing you can do is LOVE your plant. remember, TLC breed THC. good luck!

Well so far I'm not loving these nutes. I'm not quite sure what the hell is going wrong with my push but I'm sure it's not the water!!! It appears that when i follow the nut calculator for heavy flowering my plants practically dried up and are withering away. I lowered the EC by adding pH balanced water but damage is so already done...... I'm in week 3 of flowering and I'm ready to start over already thy look so bad....


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As much as I don't like AN, I don't think nutes are your problem here. The plants look thirsty or over-watered. Are your pumps or misters or whatever running ok? How is your timer working?

lol, try and buy em in europe. prices will be in euros, instead of dollars. BIG DIF!! wanted to give em a shot, but guess that go will have to wait!

I think responses are thin because this is a topic that has a high flame war potential. The thing with AN is allot of people either love them or hate them. While I am new to hydro, my buddy and teacher has been doing the hydro thing for about 5 years and has used just about all the nutes under the sun. After multiple grows on many different brands he has circled back to botanicare. They are easy, predictable and high quality. You should see him shake his head at the grow store at the people with arm fulls of nutes and additives and this and that. Fucking marketing.

Why buy nike when you can run just as fast in keds? Because the magazines have less people declaring how awesome keds are, thats why. MY buddy's advice on how to maximize yield? instead of spending time obsessing over nutrients, learn how to maintain the climate in your grow room, manage the health of your mother plants, and start with awesome genetics with the best seeds/clones. people fuck up with the best nutes all the time, probably as much as people rock it out with the cheap nutes....

@ legallyflying

Cool Beans dude,

but that's kinda open dude too easy to say. r u also going to tell me that cruising down PCH with my wife in MY car, is the same as like my brothers??? pfft not even close. even though it gets us down to Santa Monica just as well and then even across to W-LA Dude trust me it is soooo not the same!!!

(I know my brother is gonna read this!! ** Dickhead I know ur gonna read this, and don't say crap because it's true! Luv ya Bro!! We'll b out that way nxt week Bro so clean up!! **).

That's brotherly love folks

But dude what I'm saying is your right to a certain degree. And not all things are actually R&D'd or even better manufactured more they are just marketed better./ but that's like kinda the reason for the post! Not to have freakin hate posts there's is enough of that already... But more so to get vibes on some cool AN pushes. that's all..

@ Cn013$
Isn't it kinda relative dude. If you live in Europe you wouldn't have $$ so, you'd have €€ dude and all the prices would be in €€ so it's be just like us buying in $$ .... Ummmmmm Maybe I didn't get it.....

@ homebrewer

So I did check those things just for shits and giggles. I was pretty sure they were all ok, but your question threw my mental into total doubt so I check and everything was cool dude. I took pics but I feel like I'd be posting pics of a fuckin murder dude!! The smaller of the 2 on which i only used the Base Nutes and Bud Candy is surviving, not necessarily flowering but surviving. but the big one pfffft I can't even talk about it!!

I'm going to check around the forum the roots dont look so hot but not thats bad maybe my res is getting to cold during lights out!!??

I need to go check and see what roots that look like mine mean!

Thanks dudes for the feedback! If my balls grow and I can stomach looking at the pics I'll post but dudes it's gory. Especially after such a strong recovery.

At the end of the day I'm not sure the failure is nute burn or dumb ass operator errors (ME), but using the process of elimination here and both plants are alive or something like that. the one that didn't receive Big Bud and a high concentration is "alright" but the other may have me locked away for plant murder!!


Ciao
Pure...

Yeah, usually nute burn turns leaves a crispy yellow/brown. Your lower leaves and branches being wilty and almost dead tells me it's something in your environment that causing an issue. Maybe if you post more pics with the details of your temps, humidity, nutrient strength, feeding frequency, etc, we'll get those plants back on track.

homebrewer said:

Yeah, usually nute burn turns leaves a crispy yellow/brown. Your lower leaves and branches being wilty and almost dead tells me it's something in your environment that causing an issue. Maybe if you post more pics with the details of your temps, humidity, nutrient strength, feeding frequency, etc, we'll get those plants back on track.

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Thx Dude,

but since I had already posted the pics on this thread:
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/378377-having-problems-after-3-weeks.html
and I'll have to post them on the thread for the grow I'd be reposting
But the res's are about 11 Ltr of liquid in a 15 ltr container / used 6 Day week cycle due to work! - changed res every week! - temp range 16-19 deg Celsius - started flowering at 70% concentration week 3 went to 100% of the suggested dosage as per the nutrient calculator from AN.- regime was heavy flowering

I guess that's it though...


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