September 11th, 2001: Inside Job?

[video=youtube;wgcZ6TbwOok]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgcZ6TbwOok[/video]

ginjawarrior said:

i didnt realise that you needed to be an expert to crash

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professional pilots say not possible


[video=youtube;7uPN3XNTdv8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uPN3XNTdv8[/video]

My point on any conspiracy is do your own research... make your own mind up.

I could post a few showing the exact opposite in youtube videos too..

yeah those are the kinda videos where the evidence doesnt add up to what the "truthers" say

have you got links rather than youtube vids?

EDIT i have done my own research ( i went beyond yourubte) and found the truther movement to be more and more absurd

gioua said:

Not buying this theory... if the US wanted to build up a "force" near Iran it's simply a matter of talking to Israel.. who would welcome us in as would Turkey all within air range for any attack needed..

I am not sure what the reason was.. or reasons.. I am not 100% set it was any one agency pulling it off...

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I agree that it was probably not one single agency. If you follow the money and what has happened since, it seems several groups have advanced their interests, financial and otherwise, from what happened.

After looking into this for 10+ years, to plainly categorise this as an conspiracy theory doesn't do the issue any justice. It's just too complex and the rabbit hole runs deeper than expected.

I believe there were planes, I believe the hijackers were patsies and didn't realise the extent to which they were being used. Saudi Arabia's intelligence services trained these hijackers out in the arizona desert on boeings.

COG was also enacted on the morning of 9/11 putting Cheney & Rumsfeld were in charge.

Code word for Air Force One on 9/11 was "Angel". White house received a phone call after the towers were hit stating "angel is next".

I look at 9/11 as a Coup d'état for the US, akin to Kennedys murder in November '63.

9/11 was pivitol in world history, providing justification for the actions of US administrations over the last decade or so.

For the record I don't think Bush '43 was involved. After watching him for 7minutes in the elementary school, he displayed the look of a man scared shitless. As if his internal dialogue was saying "I can't believe they actually did it"...

Bush '41 was also in the white house the morning of 9/11, fuck knows why? But I would put down money that he knew a hell of a lot more than he lets on.

BTW, Bush 41 is one of the few people in the world, who was alive at the time, to not remember where he was on Friday November 22nd, 1963.

echelon1k1 said:

BTW, Bush 41 is one of the few people in the world, who was alive at the time, to not remember where he was on Friday November 22nd, 1963.

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Oddly a possible photo of him MAY have surfaced on the stairs or a Texas Building the day of said event..


http://www.tomflocco.com/Docs/63/BushJfkBookDepo.htm

gioua said:

Oddly a possible photo of him MAY have surfaced on the stairs or a Texas Building the day of said event..


http://www.tomflocco.com/Docs/63/BushJfkBookDepo.htm

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I've got that photo too, it's rather grainey and there's is a similarity, i can't be 100% sure, but the fact he can't remember where he was that day is dubious to say the least.

echelon1k1 said:

After looking into this for 10+ years, to plainly categorise this as an conspiracy theory doesn't do the issue any justice. It's just too complex and the rabbit hole runs deeper than expected.

I believe there were planes, I believe the hijackers were patsies and didn't realise the extent to which they were being used. Saudi Arabia's intelligence services trained these hijackers out in the arizona desert on boeings.

COG was also enacted on the morning of 9/11 putting Cheney & Rumsfeld were in charge.

Code word for Air Force One on 9/11 was "Angel". White house received a phone call after the towers were hit stating "angel is next".

I look at 9/11 as a Coup d'état for the US, akin to Kennedys murder in November '63.

9/11 was pivitol in world history, providing justification for the actions of US administrations over the last decade or so.

For the record I don't think Bush '43 was involved. After watching him for 7minutes in the elementary school, he displayed the look of a man scared shitless. As if his internal dialogue was saying "I can't believe they actually did it"...

Bush '41 was also in the white house the morning of 9/11, fuck knows why? But I would put down money that he knew a hell of a lot more than he lets on.

BTW, Bush 41 is one of the few people in the world, who was alive at the time, to not remember where he was on Friday November 22nd, 1963.

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edit - Originally I believed what I was watching, although skeptical, it wasn't untill the 9/11 Commission Report came out it really spiked my interest. That made me start askiung questions...

For those interested here's a list of books that were very beneficial to me. Start with the official 9/11 commission report.

http://www.amazon.com/11-Commission-Report-Terrorist-Authorized/dp/0393326713

http://www.amazon.com/The-Looming-Tower-Al-Qaeda-Road/dp/1400030846/ref=pd_sim_b_7

http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Pearl-Harbor-Administration/dp/1566565529/ref=pd_sim_b_31

http://www.amazon.com/Towers-Decept...d=1357603405&sr=1-4&keywords=synthetic+terror

http://www.amazon.com/11-Synthetic-...d=1357603405&sr=1-1&keywords=synthetic+terror

http://www.amazon.com/Big-Bamboozle...=1357603489&sr=1-1&keywords=phillips+marshall

http://www.amazon.com/Towers-Eviden...03505&sr=1-1&keywords=where+did+the+towers+go

http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Conspi...=1357603605&sr=1-1&keywords=terror+conspiracy

http://www.amazon.com/Operation-Dar...57603674&sr=1-1&keywords=operation+dark+heart

http://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Preju...qid=1357603804&sr=1-1&keywords=Susan+Lindauer

http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Nazi-Secret-Insiders-History/dp/1936296047/ref=pd_sim_b_19

gioua said:

Oddly a possible photo of him MAY have surfaced on the stairs or a Texas Building the day of said event..


http://www.tomflocco.com/Docs/63/BushJfkBookDepo.htm

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HE was the one on the grassy knoll!!!

unohu69 said:

just one point, do you really think it was possible for the "terrorists" passport to fly out of his pocket, out of the cockpit, out of the building, hang in limbo till the building falls, then land in the pile of rubble??

same guy made the JFK bullet i think...

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Look at all those planted papers! and a planted seat cushion! Get a clue dude. Documents survive plane crashes all the time, it's not as magic or impossible as you are implying.

Ok ya, it was just a plane crash.

You think in a building full of offices and paperwork, and even one or two chairs, that those are from the plane/s? or even from anything on those floors?

oops, i mean 3 buildings full of shit..

unohu69 said:

Ok ya, it was just a plane crash.

You think in a building full of offices and paperwork, and even one or two chairs, that those are from the plane/s? or even from anything on those floors?

oops, i mean 3 buildings full of shit..

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All that heat... Hot enough to melt steel but still not hot enough to ignite paper....

gioua said:

The message you will see here is the government has never lied to anyone.. you will believe what you told when your told it and you will not question it.. you are not allowed to think for yourself, your not allowed to see our evidence due to national security. You have lost the will to question what you see.. these are not the droids your looking for...

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Here, on a forum for growing cannabis, the msg you see is that the government has never lied and shouldn't be questioned or challenged?

echelon1k1 said:

All that heat... Hot enough to melt steel but still not hot enough to ignite paper....

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No one is claiming the paper and chairs were fine among the same heat the melted other materials. Obviously some debris escaped destruction, as expected. If ALL debris was completely incinerated, that would be odd.

"Pseudoscientists – those pretending to do science (maybe even sincerely believing they are doing science) but who get the process profoundly wrong, use anomalies in a different way. They often engage it what we call anomaly hunting – looking for apparent anomalies. They are not, however, looking for clues to a deeper understanding of reality. They are often hunting for anomalies in service to the overarching pseudoscientific process of reverse engineering scientific conclusions."


"What this means is that pseudoscience almost always works backwards – that is its primary malfunction, starting with a desired conclusion and then looking for evidence and twisting logic to support that conclusion."


"With regard to anomalies the logic often works like this: “If my pet theory is true then when I look at the data I will find anomalies.” The unstated major premise of this logic is that if their pet theory were not true then they would not find anomalies. This is naive, however. Another component of this line of argument is the broad definition of anomaly."


"In real science an anomaly is only declared so after exhaustive efforts to explain it within existing theories fail. Astronomers checked and quadruple checked their calculations of Mercury’s orbit. They hypothesized that there were other bodies in the solar system exerting gravitational effects on Mercury. They did everything they could to explain Mercury’s orbit within Newtonian physics. This process didn't really end until Einstein explained the orbit of Mercury."

"What pseudoscientists often fail to recognize is that if you take any complex natural phenomenon, historical event, object or process and you look for apparent anomalies (broadly defined), you will find them. Humans are great at pattern recognition, and so if you look for coincidence in the data you will detect them. You will also find features that resulted from a complex interplay if unique events and therefore will be impossible to prove a specific explanation."

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/anomaly-hunting/

while i understand that there can be some materials not consumed by the destruction. my main cause for questioning it is the passport. im not saying it blows the story all to hell by itself (but it certainly is enough to question the official argument). combined with the other information we have available, and well.....

the hijackers, and their passports, were seated in the front of the planes. the cockpits plowed thru the buildings and escaped out the other side before the fires ever started. when you plow thru a building you are bound to lose a few things out of your pockets.

Heisenberg said:

Here, on a forum for growing cannabis, the msg you see is that the government has never lied and shouldn't be questioned or challenged?

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Well if you think HERE is the only place with a tad distrust of the government you need a bigger internet

I think some of the conspiracies are far fetched, with that said I'm not buying the official accepted reports.

Ever check out the pentagon photos? There's no wings. No real debris and the only good surveilance video was confiscated from the guard booth. It wasn't a plane that hit that building. I also don't think Bush was aware prior of the events either. Most likely Dick was though.

Looking back, having been to young to see vietnam, life was so much better before those events. America stopped being the romanticized America after that.