Severr bac problems..help please!

i live in washington state and this is my story. sorry if its a little boring, but i appreciate you taking the time to read, and hopefully give me some answers!

hey so i have a back injury that i have had for about 4 years now. i have pain every day. i have 2 buldging disc's and facet syndrome. the facet syndrome is degenerative, so basically i am s.o.l. haha. i have done physical therapy, chiropractic, epidural back injections, acupuncture, massage and taken oral cortizone. i have done all this multiple times and nothing has changed. the back injections helped for a couple months, but i cant have anymore for years because they are so hard on your body.

but here is my problem. i was taking opiates for years and those led to an addiction that i just barley escaped.

i really want to obtain my medical marijuana card. but i need to go back to my doctor because all my paperwork is too old and need to get newer paperwork saying that i still have a problem..... (which is actually funny because these problems dont go away)

so before i go back to the doctor i have a question for anyone who already has their permit.

Is it likely that i will get a doctors reccomendation when i am only 20 years old?? i have a friend who claimed anorexia and some how actually got his.. and he isnt even skinny.

i just have a feeling that since i am only 20 that the doctors wont want to give me medical cannabis. which is stupid because doctors were handing me addicting pain meds like candy.


any answers to my question would be greatly appreciated. i just wanted to get some opinions from all of you out there who have been through something like this.

thanks again!

colin

i also have severe muscle spasms in my back. and have all this documented in my medical records

and one more thing! doctors say that they will not do surgery because the risk is too great. and i dont want to take the risk of being parylized

just check your states requirements. most doc's will give you one given your history. Good Luck!!!

guitarzan420 said:

just check your states requirements. most doc's will give you one given your history. Good Luck!!!

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thank you, i hope they do what they're supposed to and help me!

Your 20, they will give you problems. But CBR will do it. A friend of mine is 20 and she was denied even a appointment at other places like thc and wanted parents to sign off due to under 21 etc. I have my card also due to back issues etc and I am in Washington state. If you go to a clinic you just need some doctors records showing you have a issue that qualifies and pay the fee. CBR was cool and I will use them next year to update my card. Most doctors don't want to take the risk of approving someone, so clinics are pretty much the only way to go and they use Doctors that are in favor of using medical mary j over opiats. I know the laws in WA state and they are very iffy. Also, the places Will not talk to you about where you can get any medical mj. Basically WA says grow your own, which is fine if seeds were available, so you still have to go out of state to get seeds, but at least a pound and 1/2 is legal to have and 15 plants, so is a good #. I also know these clincs cards hold up in Washington courts. If you need any more info feel free to IM me. Good Luck!

wtf m8 ur asking on here for advice get to the fucking doctors if strong opiates dont work im sure mj aint gonna do shit what opiates you addicted to morphine dihydrocodine cause if that dont work skunk aint gonna do shit m8 get a root nerve block done gaurannteed this will work

hey, cell1988

a couple of hits of gdp, lie still for several hours (i do this at night) pain should be gone by morning.


"...marijuana is far more effective for stopping nerve pain than opiate drugs..."

"...marijuana works for brutal nerve pain. And since the overdose ratio of marijuana is so high that nobody could ever reach it, marijuana is much safer than opiate-based drugs..."

reference:
http://www.castroonline.com/spectrum/phillip_alden.html

x15 said:

hey, cell1988

a couple of hits of gdp, lie still for several hours (i do this at night) pain should be gone by morning.


"...marijuana is far more effective for stopping nerve pain than opiate drugs..."

"...marijuana works for brutal nerve pain. And since the overdose ratio of marijuana is so high that nobody could ever reach it, marijuana is much safer than opiate-based drugs..."

reference:
http://www.castroonline.com/spectrum/phillip_alden.html

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I have chronic back pain, i've spent over 10,000 dollars in treatment, underwent surgery, and i can tell you from experience that cannabis is almost completely worthless when it comes to NERVE pain, the reason is simple, increased blood pressure, which is a side effect of thc.
For me, nothing works as good as simple hydrocodone, 10/325.
DO NOT TRY anything stronger, your resistance will only go up, belief me if tried it all.

the primary use of cannabis for me anyways is to cambat spasms and nausea from the opiates, i've had chronic back pain since 2006.
I'm assuming you have had an MRI to verify the bulging discs, if this is correct, the mri is all you would need to verify your medical condition, in CA the rule is you have had to have received medical care within 12 months of your application.
I really meant what i said about not trying anything stronger as far as opiates go, the hydros are the strongest, you can get without messing with the really scary ones, dilaudid, oxycontone, morphine.
The allure of those medications are that they last longer.
Thats the only drawback from the hydro is that you will ALWAYS wake up in 3-4 hour intervals with a throbbing BODY.
Cannabis will enhance the effect of opiates, in my expereince anyways, but on it's own is almost worthless...

cell1988 said:

and one more thing! doctors say that they will not do surgery because the risk is too great. and i dont want to take the risk of being parylized

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Your condition is almost the same as mine, why would the doctors not want to operate, usually docs are eager for that $$.
salesmen...
I have hyperfacet syndrome, as well as stenosis of the nerve roots,bone spurs and ruptured discs(l-4,l-5),underwent dicotectomy, lamenectomy and the drilling and bone punching of the nerve roots, (yeah, scary shit) to alleviate the stenosis, the operation alleviated roughly 20-30% of total pain.
I'm unclear as to why they deem this procedure as too great of a risk,for you, is that the way you feel, or the doctors?
If you were unwilling to go through surgery, believe me I'd UNDERSTAND.
The operation isn't fun, very, very, painful.
Also the surgery isn't cheap, if you don't have coverage it's 80-100k

...I have chronic back pain, i've spent over 10,000 dollars in treatment, underwent surgery, and i can tell you from experience that cannabis is almost completely worthless when it comes to NERVE pain, the reason is simple, increased blood pressure, which is a side effect of thc...

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sorry to hear cannabis does not work for you to relieve nerve pain.

regardless though, whether cannabis works for you or not, cannabis lowers blood pressure. so you're incorrect when you say it increases blood pressure.

"...Aside from a subjective change in perception and, most notably, mood, the most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure,..."


reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)

i stand corrected. I'm pretty sure the used to think that it did and i haven't looked into since then, anyways in my experience when you smoke it makes the throb worse, or harder.
Does it usually help anyone else's headaches?
always makes mine worse...
but i'm sincere when i say thank you, for learning me.

Doesn't usually help my headaches either unless it's a strong indica sometimes, but it does wonders for my back spasms. I can stretch, do yoga, exercise, etc, and it keeps it from getting worse.

Take a tylenol, drink some water, then smoke up.

Before this post gets too old, I wonder if a pinched nerve would receive any aid from medical mj? I'm 20 and my back is fine, but my father needs to have a shifted disc shimmed. It causes his right leg to be pretty numb in a good portion of his quads and such, even sometimes into his calves. And just recent spider veins on his ankles are showing a little more...my guess is poor circulation due to the pinched nerve and even though shimming needs done, is there any use for mj in his situation? He does not rely on opiates and in fact doesn't like opiates at all. Last time he had to go get something for pain he ended up giving me the left overs (hey when its free...maybe lol). But like him I'm not a fan of opiates and even helped my current date get off of 80s. MJ is the best in my book.

as i-
my back is scrap, multiple everything from stem to stern and mj helps more than anything, if only for motivational factors

...I wonder if a pinched nerve would receive any aid from medical mj? I'm 20 and my back is fine, but my father needs to have a shifted disc shimmed. It causes his right leg to be pretty numb in a good portion of his quads and such, even sometimes into his calves. And just recent spider veins on his ankles are showing a little more...my guess is poor circulation due to the pinched nerve and even though shimming needs done, is there any use for mj in his situation? He does not rely on opiates and in fact doesn't like opiates at all. Last time he had to go get something for pain he ended up giving me the left overs (hey when its free...maybe lol). But like him I'm not a fan of opiates and even helped my current date get off of 80s. MJ is the best in my book.

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cannabis does relieve pain & is a natural anti-inflamitory that will not cause liver damage nor constipation like opiates. but cannabis is just one part of the healing equation. i think it should be used in concert with a good doctor, therapy & great mental outlook. unfortunately, depression is associated with some back injuries & prolong use of opiates can make the depression more severe. i have found that some strains of cannabis can help create a better mental outlook. the goal of the injured should be to live a happy, healthy & productive life.

I have 2 buldging discs from a car accident three years ago and really bad arthritis in that area, enough that i was told to have surgery multiple times. I would never reccomend that to someone so young. Although i have 15 years on u cell1988 I can recommend a couple of things... I still have pain but its manageable because i smoke cannabis and bought a $3500 tempur-pedic bed. The biggest problem with neck and back injuries is controlling inflammation which cannabis and a great night of sleep will help. I'm a steamfitter and lift heavy objects and constantly strain that area causing inflammation but by controlling it with cannabis u wont be in as much pain!

x15 said:

cannabis does relieve pain & is a natural anti-inflamitory that will not cause liver damage nor constipation like opiates. but cannabis is just one part of the healing equation. i think it should be used in concert with a good doctor, therapy & great mental outlook. unfortunately, depression is associated with some back injuries & prolong use of opiates can make the depression more severe. i have found that some strains of cannabis can help create a better mental outlook. the goal of the injured should be to live a happy, healthy & productive life.

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i believe opiates on their own do not cause liver issues, it's the acetaminophen, and thats if you take more than 4 grams a day.
but compared to herb, there is LOTS of side-effects of the opiates, especially the stronger ones, when i was using the 40mg oxycontones, they made me feel extremely weird, very, very, very, moody. Constant pain doesn't help either.
one more thing, to the guy with the dad and pinched nerve, the pinched nerve doesn't cause the bad circulation, it's just a nerve, there is no blood flow effected by a pinched nerve, but tingling, numbness, coldness,etc.

Opiates ruin lives... increase my backpain and make me feel goooodd lol... im bout to snort a blue right now..

But OP you could sell the opiates if you had self control n just buy some piffy herb to relivee the pain if its that bad.
But yes weed works better with my pain then opiates by far, opiates tend to increase my pain.. i jus use opiates when im partying and rollin all night.