Shed Grow, Looking for Advice

wheels619

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FootClan said:
so in closing if your temp are in the 40's and you dont think you have a problem then that in itself is a problem lol......
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um its called cold temp treatment. i do it all the time and if u doubt it look at my grow thread at the last picture line up. nothing is wrong with cold temps as long as its not 5- in the root zone. plants dont have heaters in the wild and they still manage to grow.



@ sudodaemon: u dont need all the shit he says u need to grow weed. its called weed cuz it grows like a weed. u only have one light and 2-3 smaller plants if i correct. so why spend money on shit u dont need. dehumidifiers and shit. lol. if u had a 3 light setup and seperate veg area with 20+ plants. id say go right and do it the way footclan is saying. but its pointless to dump so much money into such a small grow. u can get away with foil on the windows and no fans circulating air no heater and as long as it has the proper light and nutes it will grow in almost any environment. and the only reason urs failed below was cuz of water temps and u have that problem solved already.

thats my two cents. take it or leave it. good luck.
 
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wheels619 said:
um its called cold temp treatment. i do it all the time and if u doubt it look at my grow thread at the last picture line up. nothing is wrong with cold temps as long as its not 5- in the root zone. plants dont have heaters in the wild and they still manage to grow.



@ sudodaemon: u dont need all the shit he says u need to grow weed. its called weed cuz it grows like a weed. u only have one light and 2-3 smaller plants if i correct. so why spend money on shit u dont need. dehumidifiers and shit. lol. if u had a 3 light setup and seperate veg area with 20+ plants. id say go right and do it the way footclan is saying. but its pointless to dump so much money into such a small grow. u can get away with foil on the windows and no fans circulating air no heater and as long as it has the proper light and nutes it will grow in almost any environment. and the only reason urs failed below was cuz of water temps and u have that problem solved already.

thats my two cents. take it or leave it. good luck.
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" you dont need a fan circulating air" ?? LOL how did you get so much rep?? you are telling people wrong information and we arent talking about debating led vs hid or hydro verse soil etc etc we are talking about basic fundamental shit here......... YOU NEED A AIR CIRCULATING FAN...lol The microspher around the stomata wants a fresh exchange of Oxygen, water vapor, and Co2 its like a pore on the leaf.....when the leaf is still and there is no air movement the Microspher around the stomata becomes stifled and can create a "dead zone" ... You want leaf flutter its a GOOD thing you should have an ocilating fan circulating the co2 naturally in the air ..... You should also have an Inline fan creating Negative pressure in your grow room this allows Fresh Co2 to be vented in and old Co2 depleated Air to be vented out....It also allows humid air to be vented out and brings in less humid air from yoru apartment...


I dont know why hes telling you to neglect your plants but Just because its a "weed" dosent mean you cant actually learn the right way to grow it..... Just saying " its a weed so dont do anything just stick it in a room and your good" is out right laughable to me..... No offense.....

So ya you can do the very bare minmium and still have some weed or you can do it right and im beting the results will be much much better....
 
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Also subjecting your plants to cold temptures to induce a purpling effect on the buds is not something i care for and does not add potency to the end product.....That is a cheap tactic to get better jar apeal by tricking the noobs into thinking its better because its more purple.... I know this because i see it all the time i work at a club i see vendors products all the time .....
 
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yeah dick u dont actually need to have a fan for the plants to grow. i never said it would be the best of weed. but it will still grow. and yes the cold keeps my plants from stretching to much during the flower stretch not to mention ive noticed my buds getting larger sooner on into flower. so stop being an idiot and misconstruing my words. cold treatment has other uses besides makeing ur bud have cool jar appeal. and my strains all have purple genetics anyways so why would i need to add a little extra purple? u dont actually need all that shit for a plant to grow. dehumidifiers and shit. the plant will grow in nasty ass uncirculated air. i know becuz when i started i was broke and didnt have the proper equipement. my shit still grew. im not telling him to neglect his plants im more or less telling him to be smart about his purchases and locations instead of listening to a guy like u telling him that its not easy to grow in a shed and that he needs a ton of extra shit. 3 plants isnt worth spending thousands of dollars to grow.

and any newb could have grown weed in that shed. its not truely rocket science. u just need a bit of common sense.

"So just know that in the summer your shed will probably bee 100 plus degrees without A/c and in winter it will probably be 60 below in your shed so like i said if you think your just going to put plants in a wooden shed outside and throw a light over it and think your temps will be ok your in for a rude awakining......"

ur shit will grow in cold temps. my shit just proves it. u made it out to be almost impossible which in my opinion made u out to look like an idiot. cuz a few simple cost efficient steps could have had that shed running perfectly and it would have made his wife happy to have that closet instead of having weed smelling up the house.

oh and would u kindly post a link to ur grow journal that has pics and proof of ur growing knowledge so we can actually see if u r full of shit or not?


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wheels619 said:
yeah dick u dont actually need to have a fan for the plants to grow. i never said it would be the best of weed. but it will still grow. and yes the cold keeps my plants from stretching to much during the flower stretch not to mention ive noticed my buds getting larger sooner on into flower. so stop being an idiot and misconstruing my words. cold treatment has other uses besides makeing ur bud have cool jar appeal. and my strains all have purple genetics anyways so why would i need to add a little extra purple? u dont actually need all that shit for a plant to grow. dehumidifiers and shit. the plant will grow in nasty ass uncirculated air. i know becuz when i started i was broke and didnt have the proper equipement. my shit still grew. im not telling him to neglect his plants im more or less telling him to be smart about his purchases and locations instead of listening to a guy like u telling him that its not easy to grow in a shed and that he needs a ton of extra shit. 3 plants isnt worth spending thousands of dollars to grow.

and any newb could have grown weed in that shed. its not truely rocket science. u just need a bit of common sense.

"So just know that in the summer your shed will probably bee 100 plus degrees without A/c and in winter it will probably be 60 below in your shed so like i said if you think your just going to put plants in a wooden shed outside and throw a light over it and think your temps will be ok your in for a rude awakining......"

ur shit will grow in cold temps. my shit just proves it. u made it out to be almost impossible which in my opinion made u out to look like an idiot. cuz a few simple cost efficient steps could have had that shed running perfectly and it would have made his wife happy to have that closet instead of having weed smelling up the house.

oh and would u kindly post a link to ur grow journal that has pics and proof of ur growing knowledge so we can actually see if u r full of shit or not?


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I didnt make it out to be impossible im simply telling him EVERYTHING i wish someone had told me.......And you are wrong growing in a shed disattached from house is the hardest most expensive way to grow....Im sorry that you think Im being picky or dickish but to me your being noobish heres the pics to my Closed loop and theres a few from my indoor tent grow with is open loop...Im sure you can figure out which is which by just looking....... ill even post how i built the closed loop room which is disattached to house just like he was thinking of doing ....This will show you how to really do it the right way ......
 

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The control system is based on an industrial PLC (programmable logic controller) called momentum. made by Schneider Electric (Modicon for those interested). The unit runs on 24VDC so a power supply is needed. It has 8 discrete inputs and 8 discrete outputs. The analog module has 8 analog inputs and each point is configurable for 0-10 VDC or 4-20mA as required. The outputs have interposing relays as the controllers typically can not handle the currents used in your application. I used one of the software platforms available from Schneider called " proworks". It utilizes a programming style known as LL984 or simply "ladder logic.". It is fairly easy to navigate if you have any industrial programming experience. Novices will find the help files sketchy. This controller, once programmed, is a stand alone system and the unit has a backup battery to retain the program if powered down. It does not have ANY human machine interface. I am using an old home computer as the HMI. It communicates with the PLC via ethernet. The application is generically referred to as SCADA (supervisory control and data acquisition). It is a free demo package from Inductive Automation called "Ignition" It is Java based and runs as a webpage. I run it under Firefox. The problem is this demo runs for 2 hours max and then shuts down and must be restarted. Keep in mind that the controller runs continuously without the need of the HMI. The licensed version is pricey ( last I checked it is over 15000.00) yes , really! The programming was tough for me as I had no experience with Java. The program utilizes an SQL database as its backbone. It has almost unlimited potential to build your own graphics or pick from the included library. the trend screens are invaluable for tuning the system and if I used an inexpensive commercially available HMI package, i would have to do without trend analysis. The advantage in using scada is that most computers with 10-100 NIC cards are ready to go with no modification required. You can share this with every one with a request that they please share thier designs with me. I might pick up a few pointers that way.
 
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Ok so lets start with the build......Its a 4x4 space built into the exsisting over hang on the side of house... Its built with studs,frame and drywall....Before the drywall was put up I painted the studs with primer and mold additive... Then I put in the insulation and used GREEN board drywall... This is barhroom drywall ment for high humidity areas like a bathroom .... Then instead of using regular compond tape i used bathroom mold resistant tape... and i also found some anti mold drywall compond aswell... This was all done as preventative care against mold.....

I then primed the entire room twice with "killz" primer , Followed by two more coats of FLAT white paint with MOLD additive and TITANIUM additive aswell

I then used paintable cocking to seal up every crack outside and inside.... Once dry I went back and painted over all the cocking becuase its "paintable" cocking not "non paintable" so you need to seal it up.

Once the room was completely primed, painted and cocked, I then started putting in the Computer proccesor control panal.... My pops built this control panal from scratch for me hes an electrical engineer He also wrote some of the software for it too..

The computer uses a Processor instead of timers... there are NO TIMERS.....The computer procc. is mounted in a control box along with 8 120volt outputs each output is controlled by the processor.... Each output is wired to an outlet in the grow room.

In the pics you can see my 8 outlets with each labled with a piece of tape displaying what equipment it powers....I can cut power to each of the outlets at will..... The panel is then wired to a computer inside of the house and that computer is connected to a rotor where a labtop can access the software to run the program..... Everything in the room is controlled by laptop or straight fromt he desktop which is what i use, I tell the software what to turn on and off and when to do it based on the sensors in the room.

I have 3 sensors , two for temp, one for humdity and one for Co2 all 3 sensors are wired to processor and give real time read outs of everything going on inside aswell as keep a log of every minute of every hour and display it in BarGraph on screen....

So if temp gets too hot the sensor tells the processor to give power to the outlet that the A/C is plugged into.. The A/C then comes on and resumes the temp I set it at prior...When the room cools down to the desired temp. the processor cuts the power off to the A/C and it shuts back off.... This is repeated for everything that plugs into the 8 120v outputs like Heater,Dehumid etc etc.

I run a 5,000btu window Ac, 50 pint Dehumidifyer, Wall mounted Heater, 6"inline dedicated fan, 4" dedicated inline scrubber, Co2 Solenoid and 1000w light all controlled by my Computer processor control Panel....


I run a dedicated 6" fan for my aircooled 1000watter... Air is PULLED through from outside passes through the hood and then is pushed out the roof vent i made through the existing over hang to outside.... I also have a 4" inline fan connected to a scubber.... This air is scrubbed then pushed back into the room because im running a "closed" loop system i do not exhaust the scrubbed air outside i simply recirculate it back into the room but now cleaner....

I then have a 50 pint dehumidifyer to keep my humidity in check since I have no exhaust system humidity can quickly become a very bad problem.....

I also have a 5,000 btu A/C located towards the bottom of the room which has its back side poking out the other side of the wall(seepics)....I use this Ac in the summer since i have no way of bringing in cool air i must Use my ac to keep temps in check...

I also have an electric fire safe wall mountedd heater you can see it kinda above my Ac unit...This heater is used during the day when the lights are off in this cold winter weather.....

I then have a 12" osillating fan mounted in the corner i had to take off the mesh protective screen to make room for it so osicllate without hitting the walls....

I keep my 20LB co2 tank outside the grow room next to the back side of my AC

I put a 40lb self dispensing electrical fire extinguisher on the ceilling and threw in my 1000watt digi mounted to the ceilling and im pretty much DONE!!!!


EVERYTHING can be monitored by the software on labtop.. my dad made the display you see in the pics with the temps and Co2 levels and it shows everything not only does it show real time stats but it also will show me a Bar Graph of every single temp change, Co2 level and humidity for the entire day minute by minute..

So to give you an example i can get on the laptop and ask the computer to show me what the temp and humidity and Co2 level was today at 2:30pm and then i can see what it was at 2:31pm and 2:32 pm i can see every detail for the entire grow from day one to harvest...not only that but i can print out a log for every single day the grow is up and running and go back and review EVERYTHING for my entire grow for the cycle.......Not that i would do that lol​
 
wheels619

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FootClan said:
I didnt make it out to be impossible im simply telling him EVERYTHING i wish someone had told me.......And you are wrong growing in a shed disattached from house is the hardest most expensive way to grow....Im sorry that you think Im being picky or dickish but to me your being noobish heres the pics to my Closed loop and theres a few from my indoor tent grow with is open loop...Im sure you can figure out which is which by just looking....... ill even post how i built the closed loop room which is disattached to house just like he was thinking of doing ....This will show you how to really do it the right way ......
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that's a pimp ass setup for someone that has 10s of thousands of dollars to blow. I would love to have a 20x20 flower room setup like that someday. but I don't see spending that kind off money on such a small setup. I have a 6x4 outside of my home detachet sealed grow shed. fuckin built like a house for 200 bucks from home depot. a xxxl Hood with a thousand vented to a 430cfm fan. couple of wall mounted fans and I'm set. temps stay at a constant 78 degrees in the summer. and at night in the winter drop to around 40° at the coldest for roughly 2 months a year.
 
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oh and that's not necessarily the right way. its just the expensive way.and that's cool that u can make a whole room run on a laptop but to me that just takes most of the fun out of growing my own weed.
 
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Thanks i put alot of time into it.....
It didnt cost me 10's of thousands though...... Id say all togeather maybe 2grand..... And Like i said before jus because a weed can survice with little care dosent mean that noobs shouldnt learn what there doing (and heres the most important part) and WHY there doing it.. You not only dont seem to care if they no why there doing it but you dont even want them to try and do it right........

You say A a circulation fan isnt nessesary and then i respond with science showing why you need one but you still respond as if I am wrong yet you offer no science to back up your claim.....

Everything ive said ive backed up with REASONING why im saying it.... I dont just say something then leave him hanging i explain exactly why im saying what im saying.. But you explain nothing all you keep saying is " you dont need nothing to grow just grow its a weed" well ok maybe im being super picky but you are being the oppsitte of super picky and i dont know if you really beleive what your saying or you are just trying to get reaction out of me....what ever the case its not cool to confuse new growers with conflicting nonsense when you know damn well you need a circulation fan you just said that you have them in your grow but you tell him he dosent need it?? to me thats like starting shit for no reason..... If you have a circultion fan and a 430 cfm inline fan why you telling him he dosent need the very same thing you have?? i just dont understand why you cock blockin what im saying whem im telling him very useful shit here........

Im not saying he has to have a Heater, ac, humdifyer but he should know why ther are used and when they are nessessory for growing......
 
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you keep saying its not the right way but I dont understand that sentence?? Please explain using Science and facts what the right way is?? A plant needs curtin things like Food , light, water, etc etc and it has a prefered climate and humidity and tempture it has a prefered amount of food it would like so when you say its not the right way but the expensive way that still dosent make any sense?? If im providing exaxtly what it wants then it can ONLY be the right way...lol is anyone reading this thread am i the only one finding this absolutly retarded that im having to explain this to someone with so much rep??

If a plant likes to be at 70-80 then having it at 70-80 IS THE RIGHT WAY having it at 40 is not the rright way unless it likes being at 40 degress and since i know of no strain that likes to be at 40 degr. id say that is bad advice baised off science...Ive read no creditable book saying anything about cannibas liking 40 degree temps infact ive only found things saying NOT to let your plants get that low in the temps.......Like i said what you say dosent make sense please back up what your saying with some actual facts or wisdom .....

When temps dip into 40's all growth is slowed to a crawl if not completely stopped.....Read a book or two it can actually help
 
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Low temperatures at night are OK down to about 60 degrees outdoors, then start to effect the growth in a big way. Mid 50s will cause mild shock and 40s will kill your plants with repeated exposure. Keep your plants warm, especially the roots. Elevate pots if you think the ground is sucking the heat out of the roots. This is an issue if you have a slab or other type of cold floor
 
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heres my 4x8 tent as of tonight with 2 1000watters in there im 1 month into flower about... that 6 blue dreams filling out my 4x8 topped one time in 5gallon pots sunshine#4 60/40 perlite
 

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I appreciate both of your inputs... I understand it can grow anywhere, and I am mainly looking to just learn right now so both sides are helping. I'll start this in my closet since it will be easiest to control temps there, and once I save up enough money I will insulate my shed, drywall it, etc... and then I could probably fit 2 dozen plants in there. I'm going to set up my closet later today and take pics and give measurements. I'll start looking on amazon for a exhaust fan so I can punch a hole in my ceiling and vent hot air out that way... I can't imagine that would cost very much at all.

I am looking to do this cheap to start, but I also don't want to just grow it and not put care into it. I'm tired of smoking ditch weed, or paying out the ass for high grade that is really only mid grade. I'm either paying $100 an oz for shit that takes 5 bowls to get high or paying 375 an oz for mid grade weed... It's not hard for me to do the proper ventilation, etc, so I'll get it all set up and take some pics tonight.
 
wheels619

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FootClan said:
Thanks i put alot of time into it.....
It didnt cost me 10's of thousands though...... Id say all togeather maybe 2grand..... And Like i said before jus because a weed can survice with little care dosent mean that noobs shouldnt learn what there doing (and heres the most important part) and WHY there doing it.. You not only dont seem to care if they no why there doing it but you dont even want them to try and do it right........

You say A a circulation fan isnt nessesary and then i respond with science showing why you need one but you still respond as if I am wrong yet you offer no science to back up your claim.....

Everything ive said ive backed up with REASONING why im saying it.... I dont just say something then leave him hanging i explain exactly why im saying what im saying.. But you explain nothing all you keep saying is " you dont need nothing to grow just grow its a weed" well ok maybe im being super picky but you are being the oppsitte of super picky and i dont know if you really beleive what your saying or you are just trying to get reaction out of me....what ever the case its not cool to confuse new growers with conflicting nonsense when you know damn well you need a circulation fan you just said that you have them in your grow but you tell him he dosent need it?? to me thats like starting shit for no reason..... If you have a circultion fan and a 430 cfm inline fan why you telling him he dosent need the very same thing you have?? i just dont understand why you cock blockin what im saying whem im telling him very useful shit here........

Im not saying he has to have a Heater, ac, humdifyer but he should know why ther are used and when they are nessessory for growing......
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becuz in all honesty he can run a 250 hps or a 400 and in that room with it sealed up completely and it would still grow. im not saying thats what he should do. u just miscontrue my words to make urself look cool. and if u look at the posts above i tell him how to set up the intake and exhaust properly. u just made it out to be hard ass work and its not.

in all honesty his best bet is to get a 3x3 or 2x4 tent with a 400 a can fan and a box fan with passive intake. the tent will help keep ur plants from freezing just turn ur inline fan off when ur lights turn off and leave the box fan circulating the inside air. the passive intake still alows for a smaller amount of fresh air into the tent becuz of the box fan. u can get the whole setup for less that 400 buck probably on ebay. just avoid the cheap ballast kits.

im honestly tired of this pissing match. and yeah i do have proof. becuz ive done it with stale ass air with no real circulation in a non vented 600 watt hood. and my shit grew. didnt say it was the best bud but it still grew.

and ur an idiot. im doing that kind of tempts every night. my shit slows in stretch and buds faster from the shock ive noticed. saves room and i still get dank bud. 40 degrees at night will not kill them unless u have 18 hours of fuckin darkness or something. the lights come back on and my shit is back at 70-75 degrees in minutes all day till 6.when the lights turn off. its not 40 till about 1am then it starts warming back up when the lights come on at 6am. and no i dont put them on the ground. i have them raised on beds. u dont need all that expensive shit to grow it. i never said it would be super dank but it will still grow.
 
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sudodaemon said:
I appreciate both of your inputs... I understand it can grow anywhere, and I am mainly looking to just learn right now so both sides are helping. I'll start this in my closet since it will be easiest to control temps there, and once I save up enough money I will insulate my shed, drywall it, etc... and then I could probably fit 2 dozen plants in there. I'm going to set up my closet later today and take pics and give measurements. I'll start looking on amazon for a exhaust fan so I can punch a hole in my ceiling and vent hot air out that way... I can't imagine that would cost very much at all.

I am looking to do this cheap to start, but I also don't want to just grow it and not put care into it. I'm tired of smoking ditch weed, or paying out the ass for high grade that is really only mid grade. I'm either paying $100 an oz for shit that takes 5 bowls to get high or paying 375 an oz for mid grade weed... It's not hard for me to do the proper ventilation, etc, so I'll get it all set up and take some pics tonight.
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go on ebay. look for a 3x3 or a 2x4 tent. even a cheap 80-100 dollar one will work. grab a vented hood and light for about 200-250 and can fan for 80 and a box fan for 10 and u will be set besides plants and whatever u intend to grow them in. the tent will help seal out light during dark periods. light leaks are bad juju. u can get free shipping on all of it. and it should be about 400 total and u will be set up completely right.

and sorry for hijacking ur thread and the pissing match. i just dont feel that u should fork out so much money for 2-3 plants. if u were running a 20+ plant setup i would say spend the money. but for a small personal setup its pointless to waste a lot of money now when ur going to convert the shed anyways. by the way i have 18 plants in my 6x4 flower shed of all dif sizes. u will be able to pack 40+ plants into a 13x13 space easily with the right lighting. never the less search ebay and craigslist for shit for cheap. u will be surprised what u find.
 
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A tent is not going to keep your plants from freezing....LOL this is what im talking about you give horrible advice.......
 
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it will if the tent is inside the shed and the can fan is turned off asshole. ive done it and it would have worked for him until he can get a heater. ur just a douche that like argueing for the sake of argueing.

@ sudodaemon: if u listen to that guy u will have a thousand plus dollar + 3X3 space. pm me if u want help setting up a cost efficient grow space. im over footclan. ive gotten into it with him before over something so fuckin stupid and i apologize for hijacking ur thread. footclan is a blow hole that has to have everything scientifically proven even if people are doing exactly the opposite of what he is saying and having great results. people are finding newer ways to grow bud easier and it will still be dank.he just isnt open minded to other peoples techniques. if i had thousands of dollars i would hit him up fopr a 60+ plant flowering room. but for three plant the things he says u need is fuckin rediculous. good luck on ur grow and i wish u the best.

@ footclan: go fuck urself and i mean that in the nicest way possible. :) .
 
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