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Hollatchaboy said:
Container size, and root mass size, will make a difference to fertigation frequency. If you're watering 12x a day, get bigger containers. I've never had to do more than 6x a day, in 3 gallon, and 4x, in 2 gallon. View attachment 5457964View attachment 5457965
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6 plants in 3 gal wouldnt work. I used to do 3 gallon it needed 60 gal reservoir that was gone in no time. I cant have a reservoir anymore my biome just sucks, it will rot in 2-3 days.

Its just too much to rinse and buffer then takes a lot of water to feed. I noticed my EC had to rise going down to half gallon worth of coco. Same pheno, got deficient until ec went from 1.1 to 1.7.

I didnt notice difference in yield but ya. Its tempting to try because if it works out for me I can rest from waking 6am to fill 3-6 buckets. Feed less per day but either that wont play out or its just too much water and fertilizer.
 
Lol its early Im not there yet. Now I remember, it was just 2 three gallon plants taking a 60gal rez in just a few days. People where knocking me for using 3 gal so I switched to a half gal worth of coco in a one gal fabric pot. I havent regretted it since.

My rez rots in 2-3 days so its just about as much work as using five gal bucket per plant refilled every 24 hrs but can go a few more hours if I want to sleep in or on accident.

I should do promix and keep everything the same and just feed 4-6x a day refill bucket every 2 days or more vs every 24hrs. Im the bucket box fan man lol never seen anything like this before.
 
medidedicated said:
6 plants in 3 gal wouldnt work. I used to do 3 gallon it needed 60 gal reservoir that was gone in no time. I cant have a reservoir anymore my biome just sucks, it will rot in 2-3 days.

Its just too much to rinse and buffer then takes a lot of water to feed. I noticed my EC had to rise going down to half gallon worth of coco. Same pheno, got deficient until ec went from 1.1 to 1.7.

I didnt notice difference in yield but ya. Its tempting to try because if it works out for me I can rest from waking 6am to fill 3-6 buckets. Feed less per day but either that wont play out or its just too much water and fertilizer.
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Your res won't go bad if you sterilize it.
 
Oh it does. It worked at some point bleaching the pumps, tubes and scrubbing rez. Then quicjly just went bad slimey cloudy full bloom in just 2-3 days. Room is 80F. This ended up being my only way. Believe me, I wanted a rez.

I still have one in basement its cool enough to last 7 days. 50-60rh 55-70F still box fans which caused me to go to 3x a day feed vs 2 to avoid bone dry in veg. Even after cleaning I get slime already after one run.

I go like 3-4 refills before I scrub clean. I have no room or watts left for chillers Im maxed out. I wrap bags around my pots to make it bug proof which means air proof and still untied one to find it performing the same.

Leads me to believe that enviorment pushes plant to run through water faster uptake lighter leafs. People telling me Im over feeding clearly and looking back I was but noones saying that now at 1.7ec.

So 3 gal might not make it any better it will still uptake faster and coco just dries at its pace with its limited water until feed. My rootmasses in 3 gal werent decked out like my one gal and still dried back.

Ive went a whole run with the ghetto bucket setup and no slime anywhere. A hassle but it works, I dont miss suddenly having to clean a rez and wonder how Im gonna grow. I dont ph my ec and tap makes in range but if I had to then another reason to do promix.
 
If you mean add poolshock or bleach depending on the calcium content to the feeding solution, neither worked. Added daily at some point. I must add because people have solved it that way but not me.

Ro water was suggested too but its a lot of money and have to maintain it or else it wont work. So have to learn the system. Have a place for a rez to hold it thats close to a tap which theres no where. Literally can only fit a couple veg tent downstairs.
 
medidedicated said:
Oh it does. It worked at some point bleaching the pumps, tubes and scrubbing rez. Then quicjly just went bad slimey cloudy full bloom in just 2-3 days. Room is 80F. This ended up being my only way. Believe me, I wanted a rez.

I still have one in basement its cool enough to last 7 days. 50-60rh 55-70F still box fans which caused me to go to 3x a day feed vs 2 to avoid bone dry in veg. Even after cleaning I get slime already after one run.

I go like 3-4 refills before I scrub clean. I have no room or watts left for chillers Im maxed out. I wrap bags around my pots to make it bug proof which means air proof and still untied one to find it performing the same.

Leads me to believe that enviorment pushes plant to run through water faster uptake lighter leafs. People telling me Im over feeding clearly and looking back I was but noones saying that now at 1.7ec.

So 3 gal might not make it any better it will still uptake faster and coco just dries at its pace with its limited water until feed. My rootmasses in 3 gal werent decked out like my one gal and still dried back.

Ive went a whole run with the ghetto bucket setup and no slime anywhere. A hassle but it works, I dont miss suddenly having to clean a rez and wonder how Im gonna grow. I dont ph my ec and tap makes in range but if I had to then another reason to do promix.
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medidedicated said:
If you mean add poolshock or bleach depending on the calcium content to the feeding solution, neither worked. Added daily at some point. I must add because people have solved it that way but not me.

Ro water was suggested too but its a lot of money and have to maintain it or else it wont work. So have to learn the system. Have a place for a rez to hold it thats close to a tap which theres no where. Literally can only fit a couple veg tent downstairs.
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Yea i meant in the res. I've used hth and it kept my res and water clean. I do use ro water for hydro though. Eliminates a lot of guesswork.
 
BJK420 said:
Agreed watering is way tougher than it appears to learn. I've learned that they will Teach you when they want it . Sounds cliche, but genuinely this is how it's done! For instance, I personally get fast robust growth on the plants when they have "dry" spells. Not super dry but light pot dry. If my pots are saturated (for anyone that didn't read i am not strictly Coco (60/40 peat/coco)) I will get the slowest growth and wilting looking leaves! Again this is in a Promix HPCC! So not sor everyone but worth questioning how much oxygen is available to the plant!
My vote for OP would be to maybe back off watering a bit. Make sure you're adding a decent amount of Calcium and Magnesium in those waterings and the plant will learn to breathe when dry and drink when wet!
I've heard you can't overwater in Coco , but I don't think that means you should keep it wet always? Idk! Here to learn folks just provoking some thoughts!
It goes without saying , DO NOT TAKE MY ADVICE AS I HAVE A DIFFERENT GROW AND DIFFERENT STRAINS!
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Wanna blow your mind then? Look into sips if you haven't already. There's a res in the bottom of the planter, that wicks water into the soil. The soil is constantly saturated. No dry backs.
 
Soils too hard Ive tried it before. I didnt do sip or no till but somewhat organic just ffof and recharge and topdress more ffof but just got poor results. Plus with my new envoirment I mean, the sip would help but ya.

Its a hassle but Im usually close in estimate and expect 26oz a run its enough for me. Coco is just predictable and all plants behave similar.
 
Hollatchaboy said:
Wanna blow your mind then? Look into sips if you haven't already. There's a res in the bottom of the planter, that wicks water into the soil. The soil is constantly saturated. No dry backs.
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Is the water oxygenated? That is a bit mind blowing tbh . But if the water is oxygenated via air pump, the plant will get sufficient oxygen in a method like that. Regardless of saturated soil. I'm coco I'm doubting it's getting as consistent of an oxygen supply
 
medidedicated said:
Soils too hard Ive tried it before. I didnt do sip or no till but somewhat organic just ffof and recharge and topdress more ffof but just got poor results. Plus with my new envoirment I mean, the sip would help but ya.

Its a hassle but Im usually close in estimate and expect 26oz a run its enough for me. Coco is just predictable and all plants behave similar.
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Ive tried pretty much every way to grow. Dwc, coco, soil, is know there's a few more, but i don't see a need.
BJK420 said:
This goes without saying as we all have different grow ...

I just looked into it verrry little.. maybe the air gap is the oxygen supply? Idk!
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That is the oxygen supply. No airstones or pumps needed.
 
Beefpaddy78 said:
Not sure how to read this but first is whats going in from reservoir and seconds is run off
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2,3Ec in and 3.1 EC out, Just add a decimal and you get the EC.
So you are over feeding, Lower the EC of your nutrient mix and it should sort it self out. No need to "flush" just irrigate.

It looks like you only have 1 dripper per pot. Are you sure it saturates all of the coco every time?
 
medidedicated said:
Oh it does. It worked at some point bleaching the pumps, tubes and scrubbing rez. Then quicjly just went bad slimey cloudy full bloom in just 2-3 days. Room is 80F. This ended up being my only way. Believe me, I wanted a rez.

I still have one in basement its cool enough to last 7 days. 50-60rh 55-70F still box fans which caused me to go to 3x a day feed vs 2 to avoid bone dry in veg. Even after cleaning I get slime already after one run.

I go like 3-4 refills before I scrub clean. I have no room or watts left for chillers Im maxed out. I wrap bags around my pots to make it bug proof which means air proof and still untied one to find it performing the same.

Leads me to believe that enviorment pushes plant to run through water faster uptake lighter leafs. People telling me Im over feeding clearly and looking back I was but noones saying that now at 1.7ec.

So 3 gal might not make it any better it will still uptake faster and coco just dries at its pace with its limited water until feed. My rootmasses in 3 gal werent decked out like my one gal and still dried back.

Ive went a whole run with the ghetto bucket setup and no slime anywhere. A hassle but it works, I dont miss suddenly having to clean a rez and wonder how Im gonna grow. I dont ph my ec and tap makes in range but if I had to then another reason to do promix.
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Slime is not really a problem in Coco coir and it's the first time I read someone mentioning slime as a problem running Coco coir.

If you experience problems there's always bleach available to solve the problem? I add 5ppm to my nutrient stock solution and 2ppm to anything going into the reservoir. I only clean my reservoirs between runs and they're being kept for months at a time during a cycle. If you haven't gotten it to work properly you either dosed it incorrectly or not frequent enough. Pool Shock is not nearly as accurate and easy to use as regular bleach. I failed miserable trying to use local Pool Shock (Calcium hypochlorite) granules in hydro.

There's no gain in drying back a hydroponic medium, it should optimally be replenished and not dried back IMO.

Cheers!
 
Wastei said:
Slime is not really a problem in Coco coir and it's the first time I read someone mentioning slime as a problem running Coco coir.

If you experience problems there's always bleach available to solve the problem? I add 5ppm to my nutrient stock solution and 2ppm to anything going into the reservoir. I only clean my reservoirs between runs and they're being kept for months at a time during a cycle. If you haven't gotten it to work properly you either dosed it incorrectly or not frequent enough. Pool Shock is not nearly as accurate and easy to use as regular bleach. I failed miserable trying to use local Pool Shock (Calcium hypochlorite) granules in hydro.

There's no gain in drying back a hydroponic medium, it should optimally be replenished and not dried back IMO.

Cheers!
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I still use bleach 7.5% with a online calculator. Poolshock stopped working because my tap is high in calcium. I try to do 5ppm but usually a little over. Once for my buckets that are gone in 24hrs and every 3 days for cooler basement veg space.

Just when I dont smell the bleach anymore or just to keep up unless it already smells like bleach still. I use wave maker. The slime idk if you thought I meant the pots but the reservoir walls is what I meant get some slime.

In bacteria blooms before I figured it out it would smell a little and be cloudy and the slime would advance. I suspect the 80F temps in flower room is why and the tap itself. 25gal rez for veg filled weekly and the buckets daily.

The less plants, the less buckets but also less weed harvested. 6 buckets max and 1 extra one for a one plant mom tent also refilled weekly. No slime after two whole runs almost but the 25gal veg rez immediatly slimes first refill just not bad enough to worry.

Its the extreme slime along with cloudy smelly water that comes with reservoirs. That makee you want to restart everything. I was adding bleach daily at one point and eventually failed and it didnt reak like bleach. As if its being used up immediately.

Edit to be clear the flower room buckets will not slime at all due to refreshing daily.
 
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The reservoir walls but the pumps, tubing, whatever sits there in the water. I have no idea why it wouldnt work, I already had the best help I could get and was empty handed unless I spent money on ro and somehow made space for that and lastly, a chiller if still needed too.

I simply cant do it and its not guarenteed to work. Il say its good chance my tap is just loaded with bacterial spores etc. I tried adding more than I should and more often its just not working. I dont want to hijack thread though Ive said what I could. Good luck OP this what dtw coco may turn into.
 
Heres my work. To be clear my flower room buckets dont slime because Im not topping off. Im rinsing bucket, fill with solution then pull pump/lid out the old, into the new and repeat. Its like flossing teeth concept, always breaking up that colony of bacteria.

Any leaf damage has been written off as wind burn. Better then powdery mildew.
 

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medidedicated said:
Soils too hard Ive tried it before. I didnt do sip or no till but somewhat organic just ffof and recharge and topdress more ffof but just got poor results. Plus with my new envoirment I mean, the sip would help but ya.

Its a hassle but Im usually close in estimate and expect 26oz a run its enough for me. Coco is just predictable and all plants behave similar.
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Yea, coco (hydro) is great. The only thing I didn't really like about it, was i was micro managing, a bunch of shit, all the time. Now, I fill the res on the sip, once a week, maybe twice in flower, and top dress every 2 weeks. See, now the microbes do all the micromanaging for me. Makes my life a whole hell of a lot easier, and saves me precious time. Lol

To each there own though.
 
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