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cat shit · Mar 19, 2025

Beefpaddy78 said:
I have been using cyco grow a+b also cyco b1 booster and dry repairer on every fees ph is 5.9 ppm of around 1000 that's what cyco feed chart said to do.

Maybe a tad to strong on the nutes like gemgrows suggested this auto on the front right got an ec of 0.4 from sprout gradualy building up to 0.7 at week 2 and up and up till around 1.4 peaking mid flower. Eventualy 2 feeds per day with runoff. By most peoples standards even 1.4 might be considered under feeding not this strain though. Good luck some one with more coco experience should be able to help

Nutty sKunK · Mar 19, 2025

I’m not a coco guy but do you water to run off with that small a plant in that size of pot all the time?

Looks likes it’s being drowned, droopy leaves are a sign especially if it got worse when he watered more

Beefpaddy78 · Mar 19, 2025

cat shit said:
Why dont you hand water for a bit till it gets a bit healthier and

Nutty sKunK said:
I’m not a coco guy but do you water to run off with that small a plant in that size of pot all the time?

Looks likes it’s being drowned, droopy leaves are a sign especially if it got worse when he watered more

Yeah I'm using the spider farmer drip irrigation and even running for 20sec at a time i get runoff everytime I was thinking it was an over watering problem too but then everyone told me to water more and I can over water coco or atleast it's pretty hard too so not really sure.

Nutty sKunK · Mar 19, 2025

Beefpaddy78 said:
Yeah I'm using the spider farmer drip irrigation and even running for 20sec at a time i get runoff everytime I was thinking it was an over watering problem too but then everyone told me to water more and I can over water coco or atleast it's pretty hard too so not really sure.

Yea you do get run off after each irrigation but that’s a large pot for a small plant! I’ve seen folk grow massive plants in only a gallon of coco.

Hopefully someone can chime in on what to do. Whether less time of watering or less often?

medidedicated · Mar 19, 2025

Beefpaddy78 said:
Not sure how to read this but first is whats going in from reservoir and seconds is run off

Id think that should say ppm or else maybe there should be decimal on there after the 2. Your chart says 2.0 ec. Thats a bit high, I feed 1.7ec and many people have said thats too much. I changed my enviorment now its ok at 1.7ec still.

Your run off lets say the water going in is 2.0ec, your runoff should be no higher than 2.3ec going out. If it is, its burning up. Need to lower ec or increase times fed per day and more runoff to flush that out.

coreywebster · Mar 19, 2025

Top water once , slowly so there's no dry areas.

Then water once a day until run off.

There is no need to do multiple watering at this stage.

Your temps are low for vegging under led so it's not transpiring or thus drinking much.
It'll be much happier at 80+ f.

Nutrients wise, don't use full strength per the chart.

1.2ec is plenty going in.

As it grows you can increase frequency of feed and that supplies more nutrients without massively upping the EC.

Beefpaddy78 · Mar 19, 2025

coreywebster said:
Top water once , slowly so there's no dry areas.

Then water once a day until run off.

There is no need to do multiple watering at this stage.

Your temps are low for vegging under led so it's not transpiring or thus drinking much.
It'll be much happier at 80+ f.

Nutrients wise, don't use full strength per the chart.

1.2ec is plenty going in.

As it grows you can increase frequency of feed and that supplies more nutrients without massively upping the EC.

Ok thanks will try this out

Beefpaddy78 · Mar 19, 2025

medidedicated said:
Id think that should say ppm or else maybe there should be decimal on there after the 2. Your chart says 2.0 ec. Thats a bit high, I feed 1.7ec and many people have said thats too much. I changed my enviorment now its ok at 1.7ec still.

Your run off lets say the water going in is 2.0ec, your runoff should be no higher than 2.3ec going out. If it is, its burning up. Need to lower ec or increase times fed per day and more runoff to flush that out.

Thanks for the advise

cat shit · Mar 19, 2025

Nutty sKunK said:
I’m not a coco guy but do you water to run off with that small a plant in that size of pot all the time?

Looks likes it’s being drowned, droopy leaves are a sign especially if it got worse when he watered more

Beefpaddy78 said:
Yeah I'm using the spider farmer drip irrigation and even running for 20sec at a time i get runoff everytime I was thinking it was an over watering problem too but then everyone told me to water more and I can over water coco or atleast it's pretty hard too so not really sure.

I am no expert with coco but no need for run off at the start when they are still small good thing about coco/ perlite its pretty easy to correct issues early when things go wrong. I focus on runoff when the plants roots start filling out the pot and boom rapid growth... usualy

Beefpaddy78 · Thursday at 2:00 AM

So little update stopped all watering for 24hr and already starting to look a bit healthier have made a new water mix with half the nutrients I was using new ec is 1.2 will start this in the morning till runoff and will only water once per day see how it goes her is a pic

Nutty sKunK · Thursday at 2:16 AM

Beefpaddy78 said:
So little update stopped all watering for 24hr and already starting to look a bit healthier have made a new water mix with half the nutrients I was using new ec is 1.2 will start this in the morning till runoff and will only water once per day see how it goes her is a pic

That’s more like it! Gd stuff!

Beefpaddy78 · Thursday at 3:01 PM

So did the first watering this morning took 1min 30sec to get runoff so i stopped after a few more minutes there was a bit to much running off i think so tomorrow morning i will only water for 1min and see how it goes just want to say thanks again to everyone that's been helping along the way.

Beefpaddy78 · Friday at 4:15 PM

Ok another update so did a watering yesterday morning for 1min 30sec got alot of run off so did watering today for only 30sec had a little runoff looked all good to me but here's the thing the plant is droopy again it has to be an over water thing yeah maybe I should water every second day maybe any help would be good cheers.

medidedicated · Friday at 4:33 PM

Well thats why I go through extra effort to rinse and buffer my coco. Or else its hard to weave out waterlogged coco which is from the fine coco thats broken down to peat.

All dry brick coco has it. If using ready to use coco I wouldnt know if that was done as good as I could do or at least good enough.

Droop never happens in coco with me at least. Some night time droop at part of early flower. Idk what to suggest if its indeed waterlogged. Its like overwatering in soil as soil is peat usually.

I see you got them rised above runoff which is good, its not that.

BJK420 · Monday at 4:03 AM

I grow 60/40 peat/coco. I understand this is a different game because of how the different mediums hold oxygen, water and Nutrients. But at first glance , knowing you've been feeding them multiple times a day with runoff I would suggest letting the medium dry out for a day or two. Then start an every other day regiment.. I know in coco you need to keep it wet but fully saturated may be a stretch, as cannabis LOVES it's oxygen. Maybe try to lift the pot slightly!.. for reference , my plants this size drink 3/4 of a solo cup worth of water in 3 days. I let the medium dry fully and repeat until they're drinking it in 2 days then Transplant! See any DWC setup and learn that oxygen is King .. let it Dry before you Apply! This goes for my medium anyhow , and I hope it helps!

BJK420 · Monday at 4:04 AM

BJK420 said:
I grow 60/40 peat/coco. I understand this is a different game because of how the different mediums hold oxygen, water and Nutrients. But at first glance , knowing you've been feeding them multiple times a day with runoff I would suggest letting the medium dry out for a day or two. Then start an every other day regiment.. I know in coco you need to keep it wet but fully saturated may be a stretch, as cannabis LOVES it's oxygen. Maybe try to lift the pot slightly!.. for reference , my plants this size drink 3/4 of a solo cup worth of water in 3 days. I let the medium dry fully and repeat until they're drinking it in 2 days then Transplant! See any DWC setup and learn that oxygen is King .. let it Dry before you Apply! This goes for my medium anyhow , and I hope it helps!

Pic for verified grower status haha

medidedicated · Monday at 4:47 AM

This what happens when my coco dries even just slightly. I corrected and it stopped dying but I fed 12x a day. Low rh and a box fan but I dont get mold anymore since.

I aim for the outside of fabric pot to be wet to the touch before next feed still. Only for an hr or less is it sitting not dry but dry enough that its not leaving water on hands when touching pot.

Only because I cant feed more than 12x a day thats just rediculous if this isnt already. Before the new enviorment I aimed for same thing it just didnt dry back as fast. I was at 4x a day before the low rh and box fans.

Maybe promix will handle it better. Im thinking of trying it butbits not easy determining when to water. Like soil even though people have said if thats hard then growing isnt for you, I disagree. That shits hard lol.

BJK420 · Monday at 5:10 AM

medidedicated said:
This what happens when my coco dries even just slightly. I corrected and it stopped dying but I fed 12x a day. Low rh and a box fan but I dont get mold anymore since.

I aim for the outside of fabric pot to be wet to the touch before next feed still. Only for an hr or less is it sitting not dry but dry enough that its not leaving water on hands when touching pot.

Only because I cant feed more than 12x a day thats just rediculous if this isnt already. Before the new enviorment I aimed for same thing it just didnt dry back as fast. I was at 4x a day before the low rh and box fans.

Maybe promix will handle it better. Im thinking of trying it butbits not easy determining when to water. Like soil even though people have said if thats hard then growing isnt for you, I disagree. That shits hard lol.

Agreed watering is way tougher than it appears to learn. I've learned that they will Teach you when they want it . Sounds cliche, but genuinely this is how it's done! For instance, I personally get fast robust growth on the plants when they have "dry" spells. Not super dry but light pot dry. If my pots are saturated (for anyone that didn't read i am not strictly Coco (60/40 peat/coco)) I will get the slowest growth and wilting looking leaves! Again this is in a Promix HPCC! So not sor everyone but worth questioning how much oxygen is available to the plant!
My vote for OP would be to maybe back off watering a bit. Make sure you're adding a decent amount of Calcium and Magnesium in those waterings and the plant will learn to breathe when dry and drink when wet!
I've heard you can't overwater in Coco , but I don't think that means you should keep it wet always? Idk! Here to learn folks just provoking some thoughts!
It goes without saying , DO NOT TAKE MY ADVICE AS I HAVE A DIFFERENT GROW AND DIFFERENT STRAINS!

Hollatchaboy · Monday at 5:23 AM

Container size, and root mass size, will make a difference to fertigation frequency. If you're watering 12x a day, get bigger containers. I've never had to do more than 6x a day, in 3 gallon, and 4x, in 2 gallon.

medidedicated · Monday at 5:34 AM

BJK420 said:
Agreed watering is way tougher than it appears to learn. I've learned that they will Teach you when they want it . Sounds cliche, but genuinely this is how it's done! For instance, I personally get fast robust growth on the plants when they have "dry" spells. Not super dry but light pot dry. If my pots are saturated (for anyone that didn't read i am not strictly Coco (60/40 peat/coco)) I will get the slowest growth and wilting looking leaves! Again this is in a Promix HPCC! So not sor everyone but worth questioning how much oxygen is available to the plant!
My vote for OP would be to maybe back off watering a bit. Make sure you're adding a decent amount of Calcium and Magnesium in those waterings and the plant will learn to breathe when dry and drink when wet!
I've heard you can't overwater in Coco , but I don't think that means you should keep it wet always? Idk! Here to learn folks just provoking some thoughts!
It goes without saying , DO NOT TAKE MY ADVICE AS I HAVE A DIFFERENT GROW AND DIFFERENT STRAINS!

Youre good welcome to roll it up Im just yappin away randomly. Your plants look amazing!

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