should i flush...

GROLOCO88 · Nov 1, 2011

Hey everyone. My wife and I are at tube final stages of our first grow and we are extremely excited to say the least. We have some questions though. We used organic nutes in a dwc hydro system. What we were wondering if we still need to flush for a few days before we harvest even though we used organic nutes?? Or is that just when you use non organic nutes?? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Happy smoking :weed:

HankDank · Nov 1, 2011

yeah you want to go ahead and let it go about atleast a week or so in pure water, make sure it uses up all the nutes in it, otherwise it will be a bit harsh, i experienced this issue myself on my last grow, harvest two plants of same strain, one without a good flush, you could easily tell the difference n harshness and taste and i use organic nutes

SunnyD · Nov 1, 2011

harshness comes with improper drying and curing...

k0ijn · Nov 2, 2011

GROLOCO88 said:
Hey everyone. My wife and I are at tube final stages of our first grow and we are extremely excited to say the least. We have some questions though. We used organic nutes in a dwc hydro system. What we were wondering if we still need to flush for a few days before we harvest even though we used organic nutes?? Or is that just when you use non organic nutes?? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Happy smoking

There is no real advantage to flushing (other than when you have made an error and need to correct it)

wbd · Nov 2, 2011

k0ijn said:
There is no real advantage to flushing (other than when you have made an error and need to correct it)

This is not a fact, this is your opinion.

Izoc666 · Nov 2, 2011

I dont flush mine....the horrible smell or taste harsh is two things that it will mess in process is harvest too early that flower havent reach her ripe time...and drying and curing gone wrong too...I know it important to grow but drying and curing is very important too...

last week i watered this beauty lady plant with fertilizer in the same morning as i chopped her down...because my wife like the sample and want harvest right away...since its her medicine so right now im putting buds in the jars....and did tried the dry (not cured) smokable bud, taste is really good without cough...and got baked...see what i mean ? i dont taste any chemical...its all about your practice on drying and curing that must mastered for that.

Hopefully your wife and you will have a good harvest and bounty soon

happy growing and peace

666

Harrekin · Nov 2, 2011

Yeah flushing is bullshit. Plants don't store nutes in buds and flushing can't remove anything from a plant anyways.

All you will be doing is starving the plants when they need nutes to finish themselves off.

Drying too quickly or incompletely can result in bad tasting, poor burning or popping buds...this is from starches stored in the plant that are consumed by the plant during a nice slow dry and cure.

This is plant biology, not myth. Flushing or "leeching" is only used to correct an excess of nutes in the soil during growth and a light feeding is to be applied immediately afterwards.

k0ijn · Nov 2, 2011

wbd said:
This is not a fact, this is your opinion.

It is a fact, it's proven again and again that flushing does not improve bud size, bud growth or trichome production (as many flushers claim).
There have also been many discussion on the forum about it where the same conclusion(s) has been found.
All flushing is good for is to correct any errors the grower might've made (too many nutes etc.).

Show me I'm wrong, your one sentence surely doesn't prove anything other than you might be pissed at me.
Funny how you haven't written your useless comment to any of the other hundreds of 'flushing atheist' on these boards.

wbd · Nov 2, 2011

k0ijn said:
It is a fact, it's proven again and again that flushing does not improve bud size, bud growth or trichome production (as many flushers claim).
There have also been many discussion on the forum about it where the same conclusion(s) has been found.
All flushing is good for is to correct any errors the grower might've made (too many nutes etc.).

Show me I'm wrong, your one sentence surely doesn't prove anything other than you might be pissed at me.
Funny how you haven't written your useless comment to any of the other hundreds of 'flushing atheist' on these boards.

My comment is not useless, I think it's important the that OP knows you are stating opinion as fact.

You are entitled to your opinion, just be fair to the others here and state it as so. You'll see HankDank above disagrees with you, but he presented his opinion as a conclusion of his own experiences and not a blanket statement of fact.

The whole "flushing isn't necessary" thing isn't necessarily a new phenomenon but it has gained its enormous traction only over the last year or two. People have been growing cannabis forever, and most grow guides state it as necessary. Whether the shift in opinion is based on anything real or not is for you to prove.

I take internet forum chatter with a grain of salt. It's easy enough for baseless rumors to spread without merit, and no matter what you say it's impossible to make such a claim of fact concerning a subjective matter such as taste -- a quality of cannabis historically said to be significantly improved via flushing (why you skipped over taste and smoke in your list of benefits that don't exist seems odd considering taste and smoke are the most common reasons to do so).

Also, if you're saying that flushing has no benefit as far as ridding the medium of excess salt buildup, I challenge you to show proof of that as well. I realize the OP is growing organics in DWC but you're statement does not clarify to this effect.

No need to get bent, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I just wish you were more careful in how you present yours as any more than that. This is how bad information gets spread.

k0ijn · Nov 2, 2011

wbd said:
My comment is not useless, I think it's important the that OP knows you are stating opinion as fact.

You are entitled to your opinion, just be fair to the others here and state it as so. You'll see HankDank above disagrees with you, but he presented his opinion as a conclusion of his own experiences and not a blanket statement of fact.

The whole "flushing isn't necessary" thing isn't necessarily a new phenomenon but it has gained its enormous traction only over the last year or two. People have been growing cannabis forever, and most grow guides state it as necessary. Whether the shift in opinion is based on anything real or not is for you to prove.

I take internet forum chatter with a grain of salt. It's easy enough for baseless rumors to spread without merit, and no matter what you say it's impossible to make such a claim of fact concerning a subjective matter such as taste -- a quality of cannabis historically said to be significantly improved via flushing (why you skipped over taste and smoke in your list of benefits that don't exist seems odd considering taste and smoke are the most common reasons to do so).

Also, if you're saying that flushing has no benefit as far as ridding the medium of excess salt buildup, I challenge you to show proof of that as well. I realize the OP is growing organics in DWC but you're statement does not clarify to this effect.

No need to get bent, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I just wish you were more careful in how you present yours as any more than that. This is how bad information gets spread.

Here we go again, do I need to explain again why I think flushing isn't useful for anything other than correcting errors?
Look up the countless threads on this matter, incl. my own posts on it if you want more info.

I see 3 other people agreeing with me compared to the one guy disagreeing.

Nope you got that one wrong, the burden of proof lies on the guys claiming the extraordinary bud growth, trichome production etc.
Not on the guy saying it doesn't work until studies or the like prove it does.
Thats like saying I have to proove god doesn't exist because I don't believe in him.

What you're saying is a complete contradiction to how the legal system in most countries run. Burden of proof is always on the shoulders of the one claiming.

I skipped over taste and smoke because flavour and odour is determined by terpenes, not flushing.
And smoke harshness is determined by how well you dry & cure your harvest.

Again, the burden of proof does not lie with me.
I'm saying I don't believe in the flushing superstition, like I don't believe in the darkness periods in between light cycles to accelerate bud growth, trichome production etc.
I don't believe stuff without proper proof and truth.

wbd · Nov 2, 2011

k0ijn said:
Nope you got that one wrong, the burden of proof lies on the guys claiming the extraordinary bud growth, trichome production etc.

Sorry, but nobody made such a claim in this thread. You must be thinking of some other thread?

In this thread, you claimed that flushing is unnecessary. No claims were made prior to that. As would be the case in most counties, the burden of proof is on you.

For any sort of ridiculous claims to be made about growing cannabis, there are at least 5 threads here about it and on every other board. Jorge Cervantes recommends flushing, as does Ed Rosenthal. Forgive me if, given a choice, I believe them over you.

Now, where is the thread that unequivocally debunks the advice of the 2 most respected and well-known educators on the subject? Believe me, I'd LOVE to never flush a plant again, any extra steps I can eliminate without consequence is to my advantage. Is it too much to ask that you refer me to the thread where the world changed its mind about flushing?

Thanks in advance for any specific facts, studies, etc. you can provide. I know where to find the opinions...

Izoc666 · Nov 2, 2011

wbd said:
Sorry, but nobody made such a claim in this thread. You must be thinking of some other thread?

In this thread, you claimed that flushing is unnecessary. No claims were made prior to that. As would be the case in most counties, the burden of proof is on you.

For any sort of ridiculous claims to be made about growing cannabis, there are at least 5 threads here about it and on every other board. Jorge Cervantes recommends flushing, as does Ed Rosenthal. Forgive me if, given a choice, I believe them over you.

Now, where is the thread that unequivocally debunks the advice of the 2 most respected and well-known educators on the subject? Believe me, I'd LOVE to never flush a plant again, any extra steps I can eliminate without consequence is to my advantage. Is it too much to ask that you refer me to the thread where the world changed its mind about flushing?

Thanks in advance for any specific facts, studies, etc. you can provide. I know where to find the opinions...

respectfully i have to disagree with your statement about well-known educators like Jorge or Ed s method...as myself modest grower, I have exprienced to grow cannabis since i was teenager...many mistakes and many fuckups with my cannabis plants no question but i gained the knowledge, flush is only for correct the overnutes or any defs that caused by myself or operator only, not nutrient fertilizers etc. just use my botany common sense, no need to be genuis to make a best buds like Jorge cervantes said so. you re sure you have grow cannabis before ? because you seem never try the unflush to make a point. Im always looking for best medicine with fine bud as possible as i can... I mean no disrespect intended, as for best interest in this OP s , they grow organic only...no trace of chemicals, come on fella !

666

wbd · Nov 2, 2011

Izoc666 said:
respectfully i have to disagree with your statement about well-known educators like Jorge or Ed s method...as myself modest grower, I have exprienced to grow cannabis since i was teenager...many mistakes and many fuckups with my cannabis plants no question but i gained the knowledge, flush is only for correct the overnutes or any defs that caused by myself or operator only, not nutrient fertilizers etc. just use my botany common sense, no need to be genuis to make a best buds like Jorge cervantes said so. you re sure you have grow cannabis before ? because you seem never try the unflush to make a point. Im always looking for best medicine with fine bud as possible as i can... I mean no disrespect intended, as for best interest in this OP s , they grow organic only...no trace of chemicals, come on fella !

666

Which part do you disagree with? I simply stated that the books are written with flushing being a critical step at several points throughout the grow. I didn't say I agree with them.

I grow in soil with Fox Farm's non-organic products. Their feeding schedule recommends flushing periodically, they even sell a flushing agent now I see.

I am drying a harvest right now. In fact I certainly did not do a 2 week flush at the end, but I did flush several times throughout the grow. I absolutely do not believe in flushing all of the good nutrients out of the soil 2 weeks prior to harvest, it seems illogical to deprive the plant of food at such a critical point in the grow. So yes, I'm pretty sure I've grown before, and you stand corrected there tyvm.

I know there is much discussion on flushing at the end of harvest, to improve taste and smoke, but since when did flushing periodically to eliminate salt buildup become allegedly unnecessary? That's news to me.

bamfrivet · Nov 2, 2011

I can't understand how flushing for 2 weeks before harvest is supposed to help your plant in any way. I have never seen orange farmers do this. I've never seen people who grow flowers for competition flush 2 weeks before the show. I guess all those silly strawberry and blueberry growers and farmers has been missing this step for 1000's of years to provide people with better tasting fruit that is bigger. Alert the media, starving your plants 2 weeks before harvest actually helps your plants get bigger fruits and better taste/smell from them!

Q.I.DO.SMOKE · Nov 2, 2011

I grew in soil and now i grow in a DWC now. But i harvested sage n sour & blue widow a couple of weeks ago and didnt flush and dried and cured properly and it had a harsh taste. I recently harvested sage n sour with a flush of nothing but water and it taste FANSTATIC!!!! Nice smooth and great.

Maybe it comes down to the method you grow and Nutes used or strain. Every grower is gonna stand by what has worked for them and what works for me and my own experience is FLUSHING.

Filthy Phil · Nov 2, 2011

My vote is flush, I alaways flush for a week, I dont care what anyone says, I flush. It deffinately affects.the flavor. Flush your plants.

RawBudzski · Nov 2, 2011

I would say it moreso depends on the style of grow, whoever says never to flush is an idiot.<3

If growing in soil & using mostly organic ferts & such.. not flushing may not be such a big deal.. but if growing in hydro lets say DWC & your using the full line of Advanced (chemicals) & do not flush that could be a big mistake quality wise. I have seen unflushed nuted DWC buds compared to flushed DWC buds & the unflushed tended to crackle & cause me to cough in an unplesant way.

I personally always feed straight water/mollassass for the last 4-15 waterings.

Harrekin · Nov 3, 2011

RawBudzski said:
I would say it moreso depends on the style of grow, whoever says never to flush is an idiot.<3

If growing in soil & using mostly organic ferts & such.. not flushing may not be such a big deal.. but if growing in hydro lets say DWC & your using the full line of Advanced (chemicals) & do not flush that could be a big mistake quality wise. I have seen unflushed nuted DWC buds compared to flushed DWC buds & the unflushed tended to crackle & cause me to cough in an unplesant way.

I personally always feed straight water/mollassass for the last 4-15 waterings.

How exactly does it make a difference what type of nutes you use? They are all uptaken as the same elements anyways, organic just takes longer cos it needs to be broken down first.

And how exactly would a bud "taste like chemicals"? Nutrients are stored in fan leaves, never buds.

And for the record all the "Pro growers" just do what everyone else says, J. Cervantes is quite honest about saying he just copies what he reads for his book.

Flushing is bullshit and you'll see over the next while less people doing it, because people are starting to smell the bullshit off it.

EDIT: Just as an aside, it seems to be mostly newer growers saying to flush and more experienced growers saying its unnecessary...strange corrolation there

wbd · Nov 3, 2011

Harrekin said:
EDIT: Just as an aside, it seems to be mostly newer growers saying to flush and more experienced growers saying its unnecessary...strange corrolation there

Interesting, how do you determine experience level? Post count or join date?

k0ijn · Nov 3, 2011

wbd said:
Sorry, but nobody made such a claim in this thread. You must be thinking of some other thread?

In this thread, you claimed that flushing is unnecessary. No claims were made prior to that. As would be the case in most counties, the burden of proof is on you.

For any sort of ridiculous claims to be made about growing cannabis, there are at least 5 threads here about it and on every other board. Jorge Cervantes recommends flushing, as does Ed Rosenthal. Forgive me if, given a choice, I believe them over you.

Now, where is the thread that unequivocally debunks the advice of the 2 most respected and well-known educators on the subject? Believe me, I'd LOVE to never flush a plant again, any extra steps I can eliminate without consequence is to my advantage. Is it too much to ask that you refer me to the thread where the world changed its mind about flushing?

Thanks in advance for any specific facts, studies, etc. you can provide. I know where to find the opinions...

You (and everyone else in favour of flushing) claim that flushing improves; taste, odour etc.
Saying I don't believe in flushing without any proof of it working is not a claim. I don't see how you can't understand that fact.

Again, my response with claiming was aimed at YOU and everyone else saying flushing works. If you say it works and want me and other experienced growers to believe it, PROVE it ffs.

Why are you trying to twist it around and turn the burden of proof over on the ones saying they don't believe.
You are acting like religious fanatics act; "nanana you cannot prove god doesn't exist, so he does exist".
Such a statement is ad hominem, it's a logical fallacy and you cannot seem to grasp this.

Jorge Cervantes has been proven wrong a few times and he has even admitted it. If you chose to believe him that's your prerogative, doesn't make it less wrong though..

Again, you seem to think the burden of proof lies with those not claiming.

YOU and everyone who believes flushing works and say it works must provide the proof of your claims.
I am not claiming anything, I am simply saying I don't believe in flushing because it has not been proven to work.

wbd said:
Interesting, how do you determine experience level? Post count or join date?

Neither of those have anything to do with experience level.
But it's easy to read peoples post and behavior and determine their experience level..

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