Should the US shed blood for Ukraine

Should the USA along with NATO defend Ukraine with troops.

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 40.4%
  • No

    Votes: 59 59.6%

  • Total voters
    99

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
so I see a pattern emerging:
whoever isn't shareing your opinion/views is discredited as a TROLL (and thereby ill-legitimite)
maybe only having 2 major political factions has led to this 'blind-eyed'...
we have 6-7, need to form coalitions via compromising.... hint hint
i don't need any hints from a German about how to run a government :roll:
really, your constant repetition of troll bait spam is what labels you as a troll...
 

Kassiopeija

Well-Known Member
we've tried cooperating with putin, and he stole everything, including the fucking sink...
the Russians are still bitter vs the West because of the obsene damage Hitler-Deutschland has done to them. Not gonna try to justify anything ex-KGB Putin does or is going to do, but most of the people there give him their power.

but if we go too hard, he may turn to china, who will give him what he wants in the short term, and eat him and russia alive in the not too distant future...and then we'll have to deal with them, and so will Europe, because they'll now be right in your back yard, where russia used to be.
other ethnicity = evil cannibals out of Hell, they only want our doom.
the reflection in the mirror ah ah

We're humans, not animals. We no longer have to adhere to Darwinian principles "fight for resources, habitate, natural selection" etc

So now YOU lecture me about the Chinese .... touche!
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
I heard they have a video of Tucker molesting children and that is why they are able to get him to do so much pro-dictator shit. People are saying.
although i think i'll be saying homosexual activity...you keep saying child molestation, that way we got both bases covered...someone wanna start a rumor about carlson and fish dicks?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
so I see a pattern emerging:
whoever isn't shareing your opinion/views is discredited as a TROLL (and thereby ill-legitimite)
maybe only having 2 major political factions has led to this 'blind-eyed'...
we have 6-7, need to form coalitions via compromising.... hint hint
Coalition politics work in a parliamentary system. Ours isn’t.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
the Russians are still bitter vs the West because of the obsene damage Hitler-Deutschland has done to them. Not gonna try to justify anything ex-KGB Putin does or is going to do, but most of the people there give him their power.


other ethnicity = evil cannibals out of Hell, they only want our doom.
the reflection in the mirror ah ah

We're humans, not animals. We no longer have to adhere to Darwinian principles "fight for resources, habitate, natural selection" etc

So now YOU lecture me about the Chinese .... touche!
hey...like it or not there are only two big players, and a lot of mid sized linesmen, and then a load of fleas...the U.S. and china are the only two big boys left, russia is a washed up wreck of what it once was, (if putin didn't have nukes he'd already be fucked) and europe is a collection of mid range hitters....NK, Iran...they're all pissants, they can be an annoyance, but they're easily brushed off...so wh else does putin have to turn to? fucking no one, he can either get aid from china, or go it alone...
and he can't go it alone
 

Jimdamick

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That’s the main question for me too. If he’s this self-destructive, what’s the end game. Not like I really care where the eastern border of Ukraine exactly starts or ends, and interviews with regular Ukrainian show they already gave up on the areas that are now basically Russia again. But in yesterday’s speech Putin clearly suggested the entire government of the Ukraine is illegitimate, repeating his view Ukraine is not really a nation and it’s created by communist Russia. Seems he thinks he can replace Ukraine’s government with one that will take orders from him again.

After fully securing the areas they recognized yesterday he will move on if nobody stops him. Crimea is out of water and the nearest supply is in an area of Ukraine that doesn’t want to be Russian.


Not sure if he’s still cunning though, seems he’s getting old and going through his bucket list. After his latest speech it’s obvious my earlier comment about him thinking he’s the reincarnation of Catherina the Great isn’t that far off.


Or more specifically, the destruction of the influence/power the USA has in regions where Russia and China want more. I don’t think China is eager to partner up with Russia in an actual war, but they do both have the same problem (US restricting them) so I’m sure they will team up in other ways, already have. China, however, has a lot more to lose. Cutting off trade with China would be costly for the west but devastating for China and those many now rich Chinese will not be pleased, just like the many millions who will lose their jobs. But then I talked with a few crazy rich chinese and they are absolutely convinced the camps in China are nothing more than propaganda from the US. I’ll watch the video you posted tonight.
I think you mentioned how the wars of today are different than other wars in many ways.
Simple slaughter on the battlefield isn't enough to win completely or very profitable & if you can't make money off of war, what's the use. :)
But somewhere someone's making a shitload of cash.
And that is the weapon of the future
Cash.
When I said Russia & China ganging up to fuck us up, I meant economic warfare.

With China's already massive global influence in 3rd world/African/Asian nations, which are DEVELOPING nations I might add, rich in minerals & China is poised to skyrocket past the US within 50 years (if we're here)
Russia needs China, but China really doesn't need Russia.
Why do this for Russia, what do they gain.?
Only one thing I can see
Taiwan
Then it makes sense
Russia came begging to China for help
China said sure, but I want you to do something for me
Anything. says Vladimir
Invade Ukraine
I was thinking of doing just that! (says Vlad)
Why?
Because then I can use you as an excuse to take back Taiwan & you will fuck yourself in the process because you'll be cut off from the rest of the World & I'll just keep on making & selling shit.
Plus there's no way the US can fuck with us while fucking with you, that would be IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
I kill 2 birds with one invasion say's China (they really don't like Russians, but then again, who does. (Why do they always look like they need to take a shit but all the stalls are taken :))

Who will stop me? (China says)

Not us say's the US, because we're involved with Russia & no one else gives a rat's ass about Taiwan.

Watch China (they are sneeky/cheap motherfuckers at least most of the ones I knew personally (I spent a lot of time in Chinatown watching old Kung Fu movies) it's in their DNA.

(It's a joke mod/I love the Chinese :) )

One thing I would like ya'll do tonight when you're on your knees saying your prayers, please say a prayer for Uncle Joe.
Unlike those motherfucking traitorous indescribably fucked up Republicans that support Russia, I support OUR FUCKING POTUS NOT THE FUCKING ENEMY OF THIS NATION!!!!

Jesus fucking Christ, can't Biden catch a break

The World is exploding around him/us & 1/3 of this nation & half of the Senate wants him to fail.

They have actually said it.

So, even if you don't believe in God (like me) just do something symbolic, like lift a glass/burn one/eat something/rattle some bones, etc.

I'm getting a very large candle, like 4"x 12" & it's going to be my eternal flame dedicated to Joe (it's the Catholic in me :) )

Yup, I'm going to light the biggest fucking candle I can find.


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Kassiopeija

Well-Known Member
They’re widely regarded as socialists
isnt that a red herring... Bernie got hit with that as well :(
Green typically means less money for people (including the poor) for nature, animals, earth... so even with basic logic that falls short

our social democrats loose power for about 30 years now and greens have surpassed them... and many political factions even can adopt rivals program as simply the funding & acceptance in the population is there

even the conservatives jump on the green wagon here...
 

djumbir

Well-Known Member
We go from this:

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To this:

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abalone steaks. fresh from the shell, cleaned, sliced, pounded, breaded, fried and eaten hours after being taken from the sea.

Can't take them any more. They are a threatened species due to die-offs from oceans warming up. Man, I miss it. Fork tender, flavor cannot be described. Def not like chicken. Close to calamari except more tender.
Better than scallops, I love them. Come to Hong Kong, no restrictions on endangered species, every day we eat some "criminal offense" :D
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
isnt that a red herring... Bernie got hit with that as well :(
Green typically means less money for people (including the poor) for nature, animals, earth... so even with basic logic that falls short

our social democrats loose power for about 30 years now and greens have surpassed them... and many political factions even can adopt rivals program as simply the funding & acceptance in the population is there

even the conservatives jump on the green wagon here...
well of course it is, but its an effective one...do you have an easy counter for it? i'd be glad to implement anything effective you might suggest....
 

Fogdog

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Better than scallops, I love them. Come to Hong Kong, no restrictions on endangered species, every day we eat some "criminal offense" :D
I suppose next you will talk about "the Chinese" eating raw bats like they once said on Fox News about "the Chinese". Or how about when Fox News talked about how "the Chinese" released the "Kung Flu" on its own population? Yeah, some people say and so forth.

I bet you've never had wild caught red abalone? Just those small ones, the size of limpets. From a can, no less. I've been a diver for decades. One thing a hunter learns is to respect the environment and preservation of wildlife is part of the sport. That's my thing. If you like eating endangered species, then have at it. I'll do me and you do you, babe. I regret the decline of the abalone fishery but am content to move on to other game. I live in Oregon, the land of the worst diving in the world. But the game is plentiful. I spearfish and catch crabs and cockles by hand on SCUBA gear. It's good.

The thing about people who spend little time in the wild. They have no connection and so can laugh about eating the last of a kind. Then again, if everybody hunted, there would be less for me. So, stay where you are and eat your canned limpets. Or is it wild bat sushi?
 
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djumbir

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I suppose next you will talk about "the Chinese" eating raw bats like they once said on Fox News about "the Chinese". Or how about when Fox News talked about how "the Chinese" released the "Kung Flu" on its own population? Yeah, some people say and so forth.

I bet you've never had wild caught red abalone? Just those small ones, the size of limpets. From a can, no less. I've been a diver for decades. One thing a hunter learns is to respect the environment and preservation of wildlife is part of the sport. That's my thing. If you like eating endangered species, then have at it. I'll do me and you do you, babe. I regret the decline of the abalone fishery but am content to move on to other game. I live in Oregon, the land of the worst diving in the world. But the game is plentiful. I spearfish and catch crabs and cockles by hand on SCUBA gear. It's good.

The thing about people who spend little time in the wild. They have no connection and so can laugh about eating the last of a kind. Then again, if everybody hunted, there would be less for me. So, stay where you are and eat your canned limpets.
Wrong. I was just saying what's on the menu in HK. And I bet most of the stuff is farmed. But not the disgusting shark fin horror. And as the sea is my natural habitat, I've too been spearfishing for decades, so when I'm not eating south China sea delicacies, I'm catching my own. No fancy scuba gear, only snorkeling with just a spear and a knife.

I do have a problem with octopuses, love the taste, but really breaks my heart to kill them, they're very smart and I hesitate. I almost always just play with them and they leave, unless it's really huge and probably near the end of its short life cycle. Check out my 2 latest dives: couple of congers and a moray eel (love it) and a pelagic fish, can't recall name in English. The other one is a mix :D
 

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