Should the US shed blood for Ukraine

Should the USA along with NATO defend Ukraine with troops.

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 40.4%
  • No

    Votes: 59 59.6%

  • Total voters
    99

Friendly_Grower

Well-Known Member
it looks like, but it comes down to the scandinavian stance

also kicking out Russia from SWIFT now faces less critics here... I don't know if it's beneficial in the long run to push them right to the Chinese pay...
SWIFT is a lot of trade.
The news says that the E.U. does 250 Billion Dollars of trade, USA does $125 billion and others do around $100 billion.

Cutting them off from SWIFT will hurt everyone but I think it should happen.
We would be saving a lot of Goats me thinks.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Ah but the Enemy of My Enemy is my friend.... My friend.
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
Besides Putin makes love to goats by forcing them towards water of the lake where he violates them so they will push back up on his member because they don't want to go in the water. He is a smart goat lover that Putin is. He calls that consent.
Even though the election landslides; we needed Ukraine to tell the truth. They left our Democracy to twist in the wind. This is why you don't do that because you never know when you're going to need World Police.

 

Friendly_Grower

Well-Known Member
Even though the election landslides; we needed Ukraine to tell the truth. They left our Democracy to twist in the wind. This is why you don't do that because you never know when you're going to need World Police.

Ah, you have a good point.
Then again Rule number One still seems to hold up. "The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend."

It's like having a lover you are angry enough with to not date them but then you need them so hating them isn't all that important because we want what we want.
I'm sure this is geopolitical thing and I am rooting for Russia to fail bigly.
Then again we do have White Nationalists in Congress that are rooting for Russia during this year's CPAC like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene

Let us remember there are Enemies of the USA both foreign and domestic.
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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Ah, you have a good point.
Then again Rule number One still seems to hold up. "The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend."

It's like having a lover you are angry enough with to not date them but then you need them so hating them isn't all that important because we want what we want.
I'm sure this is geopolitical thing and I am rooting for Russia to fail bigly.
Then again we do have White Nationalists in Congress that are rooting for Russia during this year's CPAC like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene

Let us remember there are Enemies of the USA both foreign and domestic.
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Greene, Boebert, Hawley, Cruz and the rest of the GQP are arguably in a state of national treason. Hearing orange idol extol the enemy did not faze them.
McConnell took some distance, but that is not principle; it is political calculus.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Ah, you have a good point.
Then again Rule number One still seems to hold up. "The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend."

It's like having a lover you are angry enough with to not date them but then you need them so hating them isn't all that important because we want what we want.
I'm sure this is geopolitical thing and I am rooting for Russia to fail bigly.
Then again we do have White Nationalists in Congress that are rooting for Russia during this year's CPAC like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene

Let us remember there are Enemies of the USA both foreign and domestic.
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The enemy of my enemy does not stand the 'friend test'. Friends don't tuck their tails between their legs and run when the going gets tough.

Right now we are the enemy of the enemy..we also have a long memory of only 18-24 months ago. We remember how that friend abandoned us.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
The enemy of my enemy does not stand the 'friend test'. Friends don't tuck their tails between their legs and run when the going gets tough.

Right now we are the enemy of the enemy..we also have a long memory of only 18-24 months ago. We remember how that friend abandoned us.
Im a bit confused on who is the friends and enemies in this.

fwiw Zelensky earned my respect when he didn't give Trump and Putin what they wanted when he was being blackmailed by our then orange POTUS.
 

Kerowacked

Well-Known Member
YAWN...

Now that I have slept and rose with the Sun I see Ukraine is fighting back.
I see they took out some Aircraft, a Convoy and I'm watching them get ready for the fourth night of terror there.
Men 18 to 60 cannot leave Ukraine as President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has declared Martial Law.
They are handing out Guns to anyone who will take one.

Ukrainian Air Force is still intact.
The Ghost of Kiev, his second of six victories in the first day
 

Sativied

Well-Known Member
SWIFT is a lot of trade.
The news says that the E.U. does 250 Billion Dollars of trade, USA does $125 billion and others do around $100 billion.

Cutting them off from SWIFT will hurt everyone but I think it should happen.
We would be saving a lot of Goats me thinks.
Looks like it’s going to happen. Key opponents were Italy and Germany. Italy gave up their objections a few hourss ago, Germany just followed (although it looks like they have some conditions…).
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
We even had our friend over after he abandoned us; This pushed Putin into his current madness.

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The Ukrainian President must be punished for this..don't you get it?
 
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Friendly_Grower

Well-Known Member
You don't read enough or have bad memory.
It reads like you have an conviction here.
What exactly has caused this transgression on your sensibilities?

I remember thart Michael Flynn may have ordered the murder of protesters when he was there in the Ukrainian Capital back in the day. He was the only "big dawg" on the property when the order came down from the Palace.

There is no doubt in my mind that corruption is rife however I find it much more enjoyable to root for the underdog.
Ukraine is Rocky Balboa and Russia is Capt. Ivan Drago

I can dig it.
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I dig a pony.

:->
 
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