Shutn up about kush

Brick Top

New Member
ihowever when i do get to be your age group i wont be saying stupid shit like how the mexican pot of the 60's is better then the strains of today.......
You won't be saying it only because you do not know that it is true and that you would be telling the truth if you did say it.

If you ever want to educate yourself on strains and potency go through the list of HTCC winners and you will find that most of them had/have at least one Mexican strain in them.

Why do you think that is, because the low octane indica they were crossed with was dangerously potent so they needed something weaker to use to tame it so make it safe to smoke?

People who badmouth Mexican strains have no clue that much of the potency they love today came from Mexican strains, two that were very often used were Acapulco Gold and Highland Oaxaca Gold, aka HOG.
 

rzza

Well-Known Member
How about a little pop quiz?

Which contain more THC and other cannabinoids?

a.) Capitate stalked glands
b.) Capitate sessile glands.

In the glandular trichome heads that produce THC which produce the highest percentage of THC?

a.) sessile glands over a leaf vein?
b.) sessile glands over the leaf non-vein area
b.) stalked glands over a vein
c.) stalked glands over a non-vein


Which color trochome heads/glands are more active in their secretion of THC and other cannabinoids?

a.) translucent/clear
b.) yellow/amber
c.) brown


During the secretory phase of trichome gland life which glands are more active in their secretion of THC?

a.) translucent/clear
b.) yellow/amber
d.) brown


As glands age, as trichome heads turn from translucent/clear to yellow/amber what happens?

a.) Increased production of cannabinoids
b.) decreased production of cannabinoids


Do senescent glands possess the highest or the lowest levels of cannabinoids of all glands?


Cannabinoids occur in what cavity of the gland?

______________?


Bonus question. Which of the three colors show the trichome head glands are fully mature?

a.) translucent/clear
b.) yellow/amber
c.) brown


A double bonus question, non-cannabis related ... one just for fun.

There is is a four-way road and in the center of the intersection there is a crisp, new, hundred dollar bill. On each corner there is one person, totaling four different people, each on different corners, each an equal distance from the crisp, new hundred dollar bill.

On one corner there is a male-affectionate, easy to get along with, non-political agenda lesbian. On another corner there is a man-hating, angry as fuck, agenda of rage, bitter dyke. On another corner there is Santa Claus, and on the other corner there is the Easter Bunny.


Which one is going to get to the hundred dollar bill first?
seriously? i dont really need to say anything...this post speaks for itself...
 

Brick Top

New Member
How about a little pop quiz?

Which contain more THC and other cannabinoids?

a.) Capitate stalked glands
b.) Capitate sessile glands.

In the glandular trichome heads that produce THC which produce the highest percentage of THC?

a.) sessile glands over a leaf vein?
b.) sessile glands over the leaf non-vein area
b.) stalked glands over a vein
c.) stalked glands over a non-vein


Which color trochome heads/glands are more active in their secretion of THC and other cannabinoids?

a.) translucent/clear
b.) yellow/amber
c.) brown


During the secretory phase of trichome gland life which glands are more active in their secretion of THC?

a.) translucent/clear
b.) yellow/amber
d.) brown


As glands age, as trichome heads turn from translucent/clear to yellow/amber what happens?

a.) Increased production of cannabinoids
b.) decreased production of cannabinoids


Do senescent glands possess the highest or the lowest levels of cannabinoids of all glands?


Cannabinoids occur in what cavity of the gland?

______________?


Bonus question. Which of the three colors show the trichome head glands are fully mature?

a.) translucent/clear
b.) yellow/amber
c.) brown


A double bonus question, non-cannabis related ... one just for fun.

There is is a four-way road and in the center of the intersection there is a crisp, new, hundred dollar bill. On each corner there is one person, totaling four different people, each on different corners, each an equal distance from the crisp, new hundred dollar bill.

On one corner there is a male-affectionate, easy to get along with, non-political agenda lesbian. On another corner there is a man-hating, angry as fuck, agenda of rage, bitter dyke. On another corner there is Santa Claus, and on the other corner there is the Easter Bunny.


Which one is going to get to the hundred dollar bill first?
seriously? i dont really need to say anything...this post speaks for itself...
Thank you. You actually gave me the reply that if I were a praying person I would have prayed for rather than you attempting to answer the questions.

What that means, and what speaks for itself is your obvious total inability to answer the questions. What that is proof of is that you believe that without knowing how plants work, what they do, where they do it and why they do it and how they react to various things at various times you still believe yourself capable of knowing how to grow them in an optimal way, even though you have no clue what is optimal to them.

Thank you very much!
 

Treehugginhipster

Active Member
ACAAB lowest Secretory B.... Tooo easy
Thank you. You actually gave me the reply that if I were a praying person I would have prayed for rather than you attempting to answer the questions.

What that means, and what speaks for itself is your obvious total inability to answer the questions. What that is proof of is that you believe that without knowing how plants work, what they do, where they do it and why they do it and how they react to various things at various times you still believe yourself capable of knowing how to grow them in an optimal way, even though you have no clue what is optimal to them.

Thank you very much!
 

guy incognito

Well-Known Member
I've smoked every strain in the world. I don't even grow plants anymore. I just grow kush trichomes right out of the dirt. It looks like a damn miniature mushroom factory in my grow room.
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
I've smoked every strain in the world. I don't even grow plants anymore. I just grow kush trichomes right out of the dirt. It looks like a damn miniature mushroom factory in my grow room.
ROTFLMAO!!!! Now that's funny right there; I don't care who you are.
 

theexpress

Well-Known Member
For one it is evident that you do not have a clue of how THC testing procedures were altered resulting in modern day cannabis appearing to be far more potent than ever before.


Second, since it is, as you stated it a; "fact" that you; "know better then" I do about "just about everything but brithish movies," How about a little pop quiz?

Which contain more THC and other cannabinoids?

a.) Capitate stalked glands
b.) Capitate sessile glands.

In the glandular trichome heads that produce THC which produce the highest percentage of THC?

a.) sessile glands over a leaf vein?
b.) sessile glands over the leaf non-vein area
b.) stalked glands over a vein
c.) stalked glands over a non-vein


Which color trochome heads/glands are more active in their secretion of THC and other cannabinoids?

a.) translucent/clear
b.) yellow/amber
c.) brown


During the secretory phase of trichome gland life which glands are more active in their secretion of THC?

a.) translucent/clear
b.) yellow/amber
d.) brown


As glands age, as trichome heads turn from translucent/clear to yellow/amber what happens?

a.) Increased production of cannabinoids
b.) decreased production of cannabinoids


Do senescent glands possess the highest or the lowest levels of cannabinoids of all glands?


Cannabinoids occur in what cavity of the gland?

______________?


Bonus question. Which of the three colors show the trichome head glands are fully mature?

a.) translucent/clear
b.) yellow/amber
c.) brown


A double bonus question, non-cannabis related ... one just for fun.

There is is a four-way road and in the center of the intersection there is a crisp, new, hundred dollar bill. On each corner there is one person, totaling four different people, each on different corners, each an equal distance from the crisp, new hundred dollar bill.

On one corner there is a male-affectionate, easy to get along with, non-political agenda lesbian. On another corner there is a man-hating, angry as fuck, agenda of rage, bitter dyke. On another corner there is Santa Claus, and on the other corner there is the Easter Bunny.


Which one is going to get to the hundred dollar bill first?
stop copying and pasting shit that you prolly havent even read yet.. cuzz if you would have you would explaine this in your own words and not copy and paste.... each strain of cannabis has a cannaboid combo... diffrent terpens produce diffrent effect.... crossing these togather results in weed wth a more complex high... then you add all the sophisticated breeding/growing techniques.... so you can keep on copying and pasting all you want....

this leads to the weed being stronger today then that stringy bullshit you chumps were smoking back then.....
 

theexpress

Well-Known Member
Thank you. You actually gave me the reply that if I were a praying person I would have prayed for rather than you attempting to answer the questions.

What that means, and what speaks for itself is your obvious total inability to answer the questions. What that is proof of is that you believe that without knowing how plants work, what they do, where they do it and why they do it and how they react to various things at various times you still believe yourself capable of knowing how to grow them in an optimal way, even though you have no clue what is optimal to them.

Thank you very much!
why dont you go back and smoke your brithish "soap bar" hash.... hahahahahahahahahahaha
 

theexpress

Well-Known Member
You are another one who does not know how and why the testing procedure for evaluating THC levels was changed and how the changes resulted in what only appeared to be much more potent cannabis strains that what they were in the 60's and 70's.
lolololololol your a tool!!!!!! the average marijuana on the street today is higher then the average marijuana decades ago...... plus the strongest weed today is much more potant then your vintage strains that you guys rave about so much..... because if this isnt trrue why arent those old school bullshit strains in circulation still???? cuzz there garbadge, take forever to bloom, look stringy has fuck, prolly carry a hermi trait, ect...... they were just small building block in the cannaboid giants of today.....
 

Kerovan

Well-Known Member
lolololololol your a tool!!!!!! the average marijuana on the street today is higher then the average marijuana decades ago...... plus the strongest weed today is much more potant then your vintage strains that you guys rave about so much..... because if this isnt trrue why arent those old school bullshit strains in circulation still???? cuzz there garbadge, take forever to bloom, look stringy has fuck, prolly carry a hermi trait, ect...... they were just small building block in the cannaboid giants of today.....
you need to quit talking out your ass about something you obviously know absolutely nothing about...
 

Brick Top

New Member
lolololololol your a tool!!!!!! the average marijuana on the street today is higher then the average marijuana decades ago...... plus the strongest weed today is much more potant then your vintage strains that you guys rave about so much..... because if this isnt trrue why arent those old school bullshit strains in circulation still???? cuzz there garbadge, take forever to bloom, look stringy has fuck, prolly carry a hermi trait, ect...... they were just small building block in the cannaboid giants of today.....

This came directly from a federal DEA agent who was my cousin's neighbor. We were talking pot potency and I said, like you, how much more potent pot had become. He laughed his ass off and said it was all smoke and mirrors that began with ignorance and when realized turned out to be a way to possibly keep pot illegal for many decades if not forever.

In the 60's when THC level testing was done select trichome heads were chosen and everything in them, the organelles inside the heads, called vacuoles, the phenols, another type of organelle called plastids that contain hydrocarbons called terpenes, along with everything else and of course all cannibinoids were combined. THC was extracted and it's percentage was in relation to that very large number of very differing substances and glands and plant matter.

Pot was seen as a soft drug and it appeared as if it were on its way to legalization and of course the DES did not want that. It would mean fewer jobs and budgetary cutbacks. Things that no DEA employee wanted. Around that time research showed that only cannabinoids mattered and when only they were combined and the THC extracted suddenly THC turned out to be a much higher percentage.

Think about it, consider simple math. If you have 1 thing that is part of say 100 things and then you make that 1 thing part of 20 things the 1 thing's percentage appears to be much higher, right? The actual amount, the actual potency did not have to change, you only had to factor out 80 different things that by that point were found to be superfluous.

The result was the DEA could suddenly claim pot was massively more potent and could now actually be considered to possibly be a dangerous drug and what's more is they could lay claim to it no longer being the soft drug that it had been seen. They could claim it should be categorized as being a hard drug or at least close enough to be a hard drug that the fight against it desperately needed to be intensified meaning more DEA agents, rather than fewer, and increased funding, rather than decreased funding.

Pot did not become significantly more potent. The testing procedure to rate levels of THC was altered, much of what had been involved in testing in the past was factored out giving a false reading, a non-existent major increase in potency.

The news was spread, the media jumped all over it, government officials did not question the sudden increase and instantly accepted it, as did the ignorant public, especially those tokers who wanted and needed to believe that they were now blessed with being able to smoke the most potent cannabis ever.

Some individual LEO agencies took it to the extreme and found was to make test results even higher. One Canadian agency tested confiscated pot after a bust and managed to come up with potency levels that were 700% higher than those of the 60's and 70's.

My cousins DEA buddy said it was the best fraud put over on the people ever .. and people like you have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

It was not an easy sell to those of us who toked since the 60's. We personally experienced the strains that you have only heard names of and who have been told potency levels of that were the results of a totally different testing procedure that is the same were applied to strains of today would result in very similar potency levels.

Go ahead and believe whatever it is you need to believe to feel happy and to feel lucky and to feel what you smoke today is superior to that of the past ... but you are only fooling yourself just as the DEA fooled the nation and the world.

You asked why those old school strains are not distributed today. There are several reasons to that. In the case of most high grade Mexican strains that were grown commercially ignorant farmers, that is what they were, farmers, not breeders, heard of indica strains that produced heavier and had shorter flowering periods so the ignorant farmers crossed their high grade sativas with the low potency indicas and the era of the over-dry Mexican brick-weed began. They destroyed their pure strains in an insane quest for increased profits that only destroyed their products resulting in lowered demand and lowered profits.

As I mentioned before, if you go through the list if High Times Cannabis Cup Winners, that is 1st, 2nd and 3rd place winners, most have at least one pure landrace sativa in them, many from Mexico, and a goodly number of them have two or more pure landrace sativas in them.

Breeders knew that high octane was found in pure landrace sativas of the era but it was not like every breeder could travel to Vietnam, in the middle of a war, or Laos or most other countries and fill bags of seeds or attempt to bring back plants to them use for breeding. Many were lucky if they were able to get one make plant or one female plant and they were not abut to share their pot of gold with another breeder who had the opposite sex plant of the same strain.

Something else that went hand in hand with that, not releasing pure landrace strains, is 'The Dutch Master's had highly priofited from the new form of THC level testing. It appeared as if their efforts and their efforts alone were responsible foe the advent of wunder-weed. If they did release old school pure landrace genetics and people found that they were just as good, and in some cases much better, than the work of 'The Dutch Masters' 'The Dutch Masters" cover would have been blown and their massive egos shattered and they would become the laughing stock of the ganja world.

Some early purest breeders who knew they were working with the best, like the 'Haze Brothers' were begged by 'The Dutch Masters' to share their genetics with them. The 'Haze Brothers' did not trust 'The Dutch Masters' and were positive they would destroy the purity of any strains they shared by crossing them will low potency high resin production indicas, so the 'Haze Brothers' were nice and did share some genetics, but they kept the very best of their genetics for themselves to keep it pure, to retain its natural integrity and maximum potency. Neville's Haze sprang from from strains shared by the 'Haze Brothers' but even as good as Neville's Haze is, at least the original Neville's Haze anyway, it would have been better if the 'Haze Brothers' had trusted those they would share their genetics with, and even with Neville being Australian to the 'Haze Brothers' he was another breeder out to make a name for himself and a fast buck. Personally in the case of Neville I believe they judged him incorrectly, but what they believed about him was 100% accurate about most other breeders of the era, and it is doubly true of the latest crop of breeders that have sprung up in the last half decade or decade.

I wold not be at all surprised if not so much as one single person here believes a single word of how THC potency testing procedure was altered but I can clearly remember the smile on the DEA guys face and his laughter as he tipped his bottle of beer up and down taking sips while telling me about how they put a big whopper over on the entire world and completely fooled everyone.

So now all there is for the puppies of today to go on are test results, that were obtained through a very different testing procedure, and also in most cases i the 60's and 70's performed on cannabis that was confiscated in the most major of all busts that was normally lower grade commercial strains to begin with. That resulted in false low potency ratings to now be compared to the false much higher test results obtained by factoring out much of what had in the past been part of the tests, and also testing the highest grade strains confiscated resulting in an even larger/higher disparity of facts by ending up with potency levels that only appeared, through smoke and mirrors testing, to have gone through the roof.

LEO even learned how light and temperature and humidity would affect THC levels and while in the past massive amounts of cannabis would be stored, sometimes for long periods of time, in government warehouses that were hot and the cannabis was exposed to not only heat but also air and light and by the time testing was performed on a particular batch of confiscated pot, sometimes months or even years later, THC levels would naturally have deteriorated, and in doing so even further lowering potency results. Now confiscated pot is kept in conditions to preserve its potency and tests are performed as soon as possible, not allowing for time and heat and air and light to degrade the THC in the confiscated cannabis so along with the different testing procedure the potency results can incorrectly appear to be uber-high, like the Canadian test that showed the pot they confiscated was 700% more potent than pot of the 60's and the 70's.

When it comes to how potent pot from 'the olden days' was, you puppies know dick.

A small bit from the piece about the 700% more potent pot.

Second, since cannabis is a widespread illegal product, it is impossible to take a representative sample of the drug available on the market at a given time for analysis. Thus it is impossible to measure the difference between the D9THC content of cannabis seized at the production or delivery site and that of cannabis used by individuals. And third, the active ingredient concentration varies with the geographical area of origin, climatic conditions and production conditions. Likely circulating in the market at any given time is a significant variety of cannabis products reflecting the diverse conditions in which they were produced. It follows that two samples seized in Vancouver in the same week could have very different concentrations, as would be the case for samples seized the same week in Vancouver, Montreal and St. John's.
Experts told the Committee that cannabis in the Canadian market was 700% more powerful than the same drug in the 1970s
Here's a small bit about how the test results of confiscated and stored cannabis can and will vary and cannot be trusted to be accurate.

In its 1999 annual report, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police estimated the average content of seizures at 6%.[4][31] In Quebec, the Montreal Police Department asserted that the THC content of cannabis is now 25%. In a private meeting with Committee members, RCMP narcotics experts in British Columbia emphasized that it is impossible in the current state of affairs to determine the average content of cannabis in the country or in a given province, in particular as a result of the extreme variability of seizures and methods of analysis. The officers who conduct the seizures do not always pay attention to the manner in which they preserve the product, such that it may lose its D9THC content: heat, light, humidity and age affect the stability of cannabis.
When breeders have their strains tested they have multiple tests run on multiple plants using differing test procedures in a search for the highest possible test results. Whatever comes out the highest it used as the official THC level/potency claim to help sell the strain to the suckers.

At least a few breeders are at least semi-honest. An example is Sannies Seeds description of Herijuana where is says; "THC: up to 25%." Notice the "up to" part? That means what you get might be 17% or 19% or maybe 12%, but they did find at least one single test result using one testing procedure that hit 25%, hence "THC: up to 25%."

Some breeders are even more honest and they will not make a THC potency claim. They know they are not valid and they let the smokers decide for themselves if the strains are potent or not, and if potent, potent enough for the smoker to continue purchasing their gear or not.

But the puppies of today hang on every dubious claim of high THC levels like they were carved in stone and handed down from the mountaintops and they also desperately cling to the fallacy of pot from the past being of low quality, having extremely low levels of THC in relation to the wunder-strains of today, the alleged results of 'The Dutch Masters,' and tell themselves that they get to smoke pot that is vastly more potent than anything from the past because they want and need to believe what they now smoke is far better than anything that anyone who came before them were lucky enough to smoke.

As P.T. Barnum said; "There's a sucker born every minute" and today's puppies are the biggest suckers to ever walk the face of the planet.
 

Jefferstone

Well-Known Member
Thanks Brick Top for that info. I'd also like to point out that it isn't about absolute THC levels, it's about the party. I mean I could go over to the neighbors and beer bong some grain alcohol, or I could sit around and drink a few, kick back and play some guitar. Yes the grain has a higher alcohol content, but is that the point?

Having smoked some of the ancient weed being discussed, (thank God I invented fire), I can tell you that some of it knocked me on my ass. You know, check my driver's license so I can remember my name and where I live. I don't know how much THC was in that pot. I do know it was more than enough to stone me stupid. Back then my dealer, Thag, could get the good shit whenever you wanted, when he wasn't doing cave drawings.

One final rhetorical question, does 14% THC get me that much more stoned than 13%?
 

theexpress

Well-Known Member
Thanks Brick Top for that info. I'd also like to point out that it isn't about absolute THC levels, it's about the party. I mean I could go over to the neighbors and beer bong some grain alcohol, or I could sit around and drink a few, kick back and play some guitar. Yes the grain has a higher alcohol content, but is that the point?

Having smoked some of the ancient weed being discussed, (thank God I invented fire), I can tell you that some of it knocked me on my ass. You know, check my driver's license so I can remember my name and where I live. I don't know how much THC was in that pot. I do know it was more than enough to stone me stupid. Back then my dealer, Thag, could get the good shit whenever you wanted, when he wasn't doing cave drawings.

One final rhetorical question, does 14% THC get me that much more stoned than 13%?
you ever seen weed like the pic i posted back then????? how often did you get weed like it? shit how often were yall buds even seedless??? how often were they not bricked/compressed...... cuzz you guys are just raveing about latin american brickweed sativas.....
 

Brick Top

New Member
like i said bricktop you older guys just didnt have bud like this back then... just admit it.
I freely and totally do admit that we did not have bud like that back in 'the olden days,' and I thank God that we didn't and that instead we had true high quality strains that gave the smoker a soaring rocket-sled mind warping motivational high rather than a mind and body numbing Beavis & Butthead butts glued to the couch stone leaving us watching videos and eating gas station burritos and saying; Uh-huh-huh-huh, that's the coolest thing I have ever seen in my life.

If we did have strains like you, for totally inexplicable reasons, and wrongly believe to be fantastic, instead of what we were blessed to have, that would have sucked more than anything that's ever sucked before.

I worded the last bit there in language I am positive is your normal and native stoner language.
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
You can fix stupid Brick; you're wasting your time on that moron. He knows everything - but nothing. If I were not a nice guy I would call him an asshole but I won't.
 
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