Sick plant help

olie24

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So let me start by giving u some Info i have nice size plant in a 10g pot since I transferred them into the 10g pot I haven't fed them any nutrients till now. I'm on week 5 and bottom leaves started to turn yellow so about week ago I just started feeding. I started with 590ppm 2 times a week of fox farm nutrients and then 150ppm of cal/mag from advanced nutrient. looks like it hasn't helped do u guys think that I'm feeding to many nutrients? Some of the ended of the leafs are turning brown like their getting burned. Here some pics of today's. Getting some nice size colas and I'm scared I'm gonna kill it. This is my second grow so hope to learn from the mistakes I did on these plants. Seams like it's getting worse day by day.
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az2000

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I haven't fed them any nutrients till now. I'm on week 5 and bottom leaves started to turn yellow so about week ago I just started feeding.
You didn't feed anything during veg and 5 weeks of flower? What kind of soil are you using? It sounds like all it needed was some N (like fish emulsion). I see nute burn and some Ca def which might be due to salt buildup, too much K.

It sounds like you were using an organic soil? If so, maybe flush with a tea. (I'm not into organics to that extent, so I can't help.).
 

rob333

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So let me start by giving u some Info i have nice size plant in a 10g pot since I transferred them into the 10g pot I haven't fed them any nutrients till now. I'm on week 5 and bottom leaves started to turn yellow so about week ago I just started feeding. I started with 590ppm 2 times a week of fox farm nutrients and then 150ppm of cal/mag from advanced nutrient. looks like it hasn't helped do u guys think that I'm feeding to many nutrients? Some of the ended of the leafs are turning brown like their getting burned. Here some pics of today's. Getting some nice size colas and I'm scared I'm gonna kill it. This is my second grow so hope to learn from the mistakes I did on these plants. Seams like it's getting worse day by day.
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u need to feed during flower as its pulling al the nutes out of ya leaves as u are saying from the bottom up give them a nice feed transplanting mid flower will add to your issues aswell i will be amused if they don't stunt on ya ;)
 

olie24

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You didn't feed anything during veg and 5 weeks of flower? What kind of soil are you using? It sounds like all it needed was some N (like fish emulsion). I see nute burn and some Ca def which might be due to salt buildup, too much K.

It sounds like you were using an organic soil? If so, maybe flush with a tea. (I'm not into organics to that extent, so I can't help.).
No I didn't feed anything during veg I used fox farm soil but right before I started flowering couple bottom leaves were yellow so I transferred my plant from 5g pot to a 10g pot I thought I didn't have to feed till the plant show signs that it needed food since I transfered it to bigger pot. I really didn't look at the bottom leaves till last week and I noticed plant was getting worse day by day. U learn from ur mistakes all I know is next grow is gonna be a lot better. U think I can still save this plant?
 

az2000

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U think I can still save this plant?
Sure, it looks great to me. I'm just not sure what to recommend you do. You grew all that through veg without feeding. Then you doubled the pot size -- with new soil that apparently you don't need to feed. It seems to me it would get enough food from that addition of soil, and maybe you created an over-fed condition by adding that soil as well as feeding nutes. I would suggest water only.

But, I'm not familiar with FF soils. I would trust someone who has used it. (I use soil without much nutrients in it. I start feeding the end of week-1. I like to be more aware of what they're getting/when.).
 

olie24

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Sure, it looks great to me. I'm just not sure what to recommend you do. You grew all that through veg without feeding. Then you doubled the pot size -- with new soil that apparently you don't need to feed. It seems to me it would get enough food from that addition of soil, and maybe you created an over-fed condition by adding that soil as well as feeding nutes. I would suggest water only.

But, I'm not familiar with FF soils. I would trust someone who has used it. (I use soil without much nutrients in it. I start feeding the end of week-1. I like to be more aware of what they're getting/when.).
im using rodi water I think that the start of all these problems. First grow I would buy ro water from the store and I had no problems. This grow I'm using 6 stage rodi water to water the plant and I'm getting all these nutrient deficiency maybe water is way to clean? If u don't mind me asking what soil and nutrients do u uses? I wanna try other ways to grow besides using fox farm soil or even their nutrients. Noob trying to Learn so sorry for all the questions.
 

az2000

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I don't understand the difference between RO water and dionized. I thought RO water with about 20ppm is essentially dionized. If you've been using it this entire grow, I don't think it's the water. If you got through veg without feeding, that means the soil had a lot of nutrients (I'm surprised the seedlings didn't burn). You could have started feeding, but transplanting into more soil complicates things I think. The plant should have access to fresh nutes in that new soil (if it's the same soil that had enough nutes to carry the plant through veg). I would continue feeding water and see how it goes because it looks like burn from overfeeding. Or, very mild nutes (maybe 1/4 what you fed?). I'm not the right person to direct you because I haven't used FF.

I mix 50-60% Pro-Mix HP+Myco, 20-25% Kellogg Patio Plus (potting mix), 20-25% Perlite. (Somewhere between those percentages). I amend 1 to 1.5Tbsp (per gallon of soil) Fertilome Hy-Yeild Agricultural Lime (dolomite). I wet it 2-5 days before using.

I feed Grow More Sea Grow (All Purpose and Flower & Bloom), and some Potassium Sulfate (K2SO4) bought from Alpha International Chemicals on Amazon or eBay. Also AK Fish to boost N in veg, and AK Kelp as a flower hardener late in flower.

And, 5ml/gal Botanicare Liquid Karma to help the soil microbes. (I use that every feeding, but maybe only 1ml/gal at the end of the first week, 2ml/gal the second week, then work my way up to 5ml.). I add a pinch (1/16th tsp/gal) sugar to help feed the soil microbes. Sometimes a 1/8tsp molasses. It should be all the same. It's just carbs feeding the microbes. Molasses has minerals and sulfur, so I use that occasionally instead of sugar.

I mix those things to get an NPK ratio in veg between 1.2-1-1.7 and 1.8-1-1.7. I walk it up and down depending on what the plants look like. For example, in mid veg I might feed 1.8g AP, 5ml AK Fish, 5ml Karma and 0.45g K2SO4. That's 1.58 - 1 - 1.71.

In mid flower, I mix 1.5g AP and .80g F&B (plus 5ml Karma) to get 1-1.64-1.71.

At the end, 1.1g and 1.1g (plus 5ml Karma) for 1-2.1-2.1. Add 5ml Kelp as a hardener (seems to me. I don't use it in veg because Sea Grow already has kelp. Supplementing seems to cause stretch due to too much auxins.).

If I get N def in flower, I revert back to more AP and/or Fish. I use this spreadsheet to play with the ratios, "reading the plant" and adjusting things. I like Sea Grow because it's a balance of synthetic nutes for immediate availability and organic ingredients which are healthier for the soil. I used to grow with GH Flora 3-part (all synthetic). Myself and friends noticed a very distinct taste difference when I switched. It's smoother, richer (not as sharp, bright -- which I associate with harshness.). It's inexpensive.

But, what I really like is monitoring my own NPK ratios instead of following a schedule which obscures that info. When you see how the plants respond to different ratios, you can use any product(s) to get there. I'm growing a plant now with nothing but MiracleGro Tomato. I'm going to follow that with one that mixes 2-3 MiracleGro products to get the ratios I like. (Not that I like MiracleGro. Just because I think it doesn't matter what's used. I want to try it.).

Your plant looks very good. I'm sure it will finish ok. 3-4 weeks left?

If you want to do something where the soil contains all the nutes (you feed nothing except some teas), check out @uwine99 's no-cook soil. I'd like to try that sometime. I'd like to do more organic, but typically you have to let the soil cook for a few months. I'm not that motivated. But, what he describes sounds reasonable.

Also, for water, I start with 150ppm. I mix my tap water with RO water to get that.
 
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