Small fertilizer business idea need feedback

Honey Oil Riot Squad

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Hello all,
I didn't know which thread to post this in, but I have been thinking a lot about trying to stick my leg into the legal cannabis industry in the US which is really starting to boom. But I'm trying to think outside the box a little bit bc everybody is jumping on growing the stuff, why not hit another area of the market? I have a Chemistry degree and have done a fair amount of work with formulating fertilizers (in ag industry). Given the right ingredients I could easily formulate my own fertilizers that are meant specifically for growing legal, hydroponic cannabis just based off of the ingredients list of other nutrient lines and what concentrations are used at different times for growing cannabis. I've also been around and seen bulk fertilizer manufacturing processes quite a bit, so this would be very doable. My hope would be that my line would stand out to new growers as being a very simple, clearly instructed process for people that want to start out growing cannabis (and give good quality as well). Trying to figure out how to work your nutrients when you first start growing can get very complicated especially with instructions that are meant for growing tomatoes, etc, and not necessarily cannabis. And I guess the goal would be to really simplify the whole nute making process for people that are just starting and have clear instructions on exactly how much of each fert per gallon to put in to your nute water and at what time during growth. Making that very clear and laid out for people could prove to be very convenient and new growers would save a lot of time trying to get nutes right when they first start. And knowing exactly what to put in for specifically cannabis and giving that to customers in as simple a manner as possible could prove worthwhile I feel.
I'm asking for feedback on the plausibility of the success of this idea. Would you buy it? Would you have bought a nute line like this when you first started out growing for ease of simplicity? And Id also be very curious to hear about any competition from other companies that have already attempted at my idea, or have made cannabis specific fertilizer lines. Just tying to get a gauge of competition in the industry. I'm well aware of fox farms, general hydroponics, etc that are very popular but with it being legalized and all wouldn't it make sense to go a little but more specific towards cannabis for your nutrients rather than working generalized nutrients to work for it? Any suggestions or feedback on the idea or notes about the current market are greatly appreciated.
 

rkymtnman

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hope you got a plan B because A ain't too hot. have you ever been to a well stocked grow store? nutes is the biggest section by far. second would be the snake oil products.
 

SouthCross

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Two different strains take two different amounts of fertilizer. I've burned indicas with the same dose given to a sativa. I'd love for a nute company to break it down to strains. I'm surprised seeds companies don't offer a specific fertilizer regimen and type for their flagship strain.
 

Honey Oil Riot Squad

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Two different strains take two different amounts of fertilizer. I've burned indicas with the same dose given to a sativa. I'd love for a nute company to break it down to strains. I'm surprised seeds companies don't offer a specific fertilizer regimen and type for their flagship strain.
Great idea! Strains do have slight variations so having different lines of nutes generalized for full Indica versus full sativa or hybrid grow characteristics... that's not bad idea at all.
 

Honey Oil Riot Squad

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hope you got a plan B because A ain't too hot. have you ever been to a well stocked grow store? nutes is the biggest section by far. second would be the snake oil products.
All speculation at this point. I realize there are all kinds of nutrients but how many are marketed solely to growing cannabis at this point in time? GH flora trio (my go to) directions recommend you use about twice as much on the bottle as you need for cannabis, if you used that much you would burn the shit out of your plants. Plus with it defined to only have half that much say, you can actually work the fertilizer during manufacturing to balance pH and EC perfectly from RO water, and have little to no need for further adjustment. So for people who just want to squirt their nutes in and be done with it in 5 minutes rather than taking tons of time pHing and getting everything just right, this nute line would end you at the perfect ph and EC everytime, or at least just let you know you should put in a few drops phos acid with this concentration at this point of time or 4 drops ph up with this concentrattion 3 weeks into bloom... you get the idea. I'm guessing there are a lot of people who want to grow their own to save money, but dont want to spend a whole lot of time messing with their plants, they just want then to grow themselves. This would make that a lot easier bc you save the need to really work all your water just right, the fert is formulated to do that for you. No, it wouldn't be perfect and give the most ideal growing conditions necessarily, but it would work good enough to get nice smoke and the average joe might not care and just wants easy damn near free weed for themselves.
 
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DaveInCave

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Hello all,
I didn't know which thread to post this in, but I have been thinking a lot about trying to stick my leg into the legal cannabis industry in the US which is really starting to boom. But I'm trying to think outside the box a little bit bc everybody is jumping on growing the stuff, why not hit another area of the market? I have a Chemistry degree and have done a fair amount of work with formulating fertilizers (in ag industry). Given the right ingredients I could easily formulate my own fertilizers that are meant specifically for growing legal, hydroponic cannabis just based off of the ingredients list of other nutrient lines and what concentrations are used at different times for growing cannabis. I've also been around and seen bulk fertilizer manufacturing processes quite a bit, so this would be very doable. My hope would be that my line would stand out to new growers as being a very simple, clearly instructed process for people that want to start out growing cannabis (and give good quality as well). Trying to figure out how to work your nutrients when you first start growing can get very complicated especially with instructions that are meant for growing tomatoes, etc, and not necessarily cannabis. And I guess the goal would be to really simplify the whole nute making process for people that are just starting and have clear instructions on exactly how much of each fert per gallon to put in to your nute water and at what time during growth. Making that very clear and laid out for people could prove to be very convenient and new growers would save a lot of time trying to get nutes right when they first start. And knowing exactly what to put in for specifically cannabis and giving that to customers in as simple a manner as possible could prove worthwhile I feel.
I'm asking for feedback on the plausibility of the success of this idea. Would you buy it? Would you have bought a nute line like this when you first started out growing for ease of simplicity? And Id also be very curious to hear about any competition from other companies that have already attempted at my idea, or have made cannabis specific fertilizer lines. Just tying to get a gauge of competition in the industry. I'm well aware of fox farms, general hydroponics, etc that are very popular but with it being legalized and all wouldn't it make sense to go a little but more specific towards cannabis for your nutrients rather than working generalized nutrients to work for it? Any suggestions or feedback on the idea or notes about the current market are greatly appreciated.
It's a great idea. In fact it's such a good idea that dozens of companies are already doing it and making a fortune from selling water to people.
Inside a typical 1 gal bottle of liquid nutrients that costs $10-$20 is probably about a 10 cents worth of nutrients.
The profit margins are huge, but yeah the market is completely saturated because it's very easy.

Specialized fertilizer per strains can be an interesting twist that will separate your product from the rest.
Until they start copying you, that is.
 

Honey Oil Riot Squad

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It's a great idea. In fact it's such a good idea that dozens of companies are already doing it and making a fortune from selling water to people.
Inside a typical 1 gal bottle of liquid nutrients that costs $10-$20 is probably about a 10 cents worth of nutrients.
The profit margins are huge, but yeah the market is completely saturated because it's very easy.

Specialized fertilizer per strains can be an interesting twist that will separate your product from the rest.
Until they start copying you, that is.
Unfortunate to hear a lot of people have already jumped on it. Are you saying they make the entire diluted water solution and sell it whole for 10 to 20 a gallon? Cuz yeah, that's a HUGE profit margin. Kind of a stupid waste of money though to buy premade lol, but interesting if that's what they're doing and people actually buy.
 

DaveInCave

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Unfortunate to hear a lot of people have already jumped on it. Are you saying they make the entire diluted water solution and sell it whole for 10 to 20 a gallon? Cuz yeah, that's a HUGE profit margin. Kind of a stupid waste of money though to buy premade lol, but interesting if that's what they're doing and people actually buy.
It's indeed very stupid and very profitable, but as you said yourself, new growers are often confused and stressed, they want it to be easy.
Expecting them to measure and dilute their own nutrients can be too much to ask.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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Two different strains take two different amounts of fertilizer. I've burned indicas with the same dose given to a sativa. I'd love for a nute company to break it down to strains. I'm surprised seeds companies don't offer a specific fertilizer regimen and type for their flagship strain.
I have no experience with them but Greenhouse Seed Co. makes specific powder nutes for indica, sativa and hybrids. And a calcium supplement powder too.
 

rkymtnman

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All speculation at this point. I realize there are all kinds of nutrients but how many are marketed solely to growing cannabis at this point in time? GH flora trio (my go to) directions recommend you use about twice as much on the bottle as you need for cannabis, if you used that much you would burn the shit out of your plants. Plus with it defined to only have half that much say, you can actually work the fertilizer during manufacturing to balance pH and EC perfectly from RO water, and have little to no need for further adjustment. So for people who just want to squirt their nutes in and be done with it in 5 minutes rather than taking tons of time pHing and getting everything just right, this nute line would end you at the perfect ph and EC everytime, or at least just let you know you should put in a few drops phos acid with this concentration at this point of time or 4 drops ph up with this concentrattion 3 weeks into bloom... you get the idea. I'm guessing there are a lot of people who want to grow their own to save money, but dont want to spend a whole lot of time messing with their plants, they just want then to grow themselves. This would make that a lot easier bc you save the need to really work all your water just right, the fert is formulated to do that for you. No, it wouldn't be perfect and give the most ideal growing conditions necessarily, but it would work good enough to get nice smoke and the average joe might not care and just wants easy damn near free weed for themselves.
Canna and AN are marketed for cannabis.

How do plan to compete against companies that buy literally tons of raw salts to make their nutes, have a huge advertising budget and a team of chemists/botanists not just one?
 

Honey Oil Riot Squad

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Canna and AN are marketed for cannabis.

How do plan to compete against companies that buy literally tons of raw salts to make their nutes, have a huge advertising budget and a team of chemists/botanists not just one?
How does any small business compete with their higher up corporations as competitors? You just got to get in there and market it and see what happens and grow from there if you can. Most businesses fail, but this is a highly growing market so there is certainly a better shot at success, but i realize it is still likely a long shot. You've just got to find your niche that separates you from that competition as see what happens. I really do appreciate the feedback though. Naysayers are very welcome in a question like this. Need a dose of reality too.
And buying tons of salts at a time is exactly what one would be doing to start a business like this. They come in these 2000# "super sacks", pretty crazy.
 

rkymtnman

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How does any small business compete with their higher up corporations as competitors? You just got to get in there and market it and see what happens and grow from there if you can. Most businesses fail, but this is a highly growing market so there is certainly a better shot at success, but i realize it is still likely a long shot. You've just got to find your niche that separates you from that competition as see what happens. I really do appreciate the feedback though. Naysayers are very welcome in a question like this. Need a dose of reality too
if you were me, i'd try to hook up with some local commercail growers. dial in some nutes for their specific strains and work from there. if you and your product is good, people will come find you.
 

zeddd

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Give up, you know nothing about the basics of growing, your nutes will be garbage like the other over priced shit, so you want to get into a business that rips off growers selling water lol for Huge profits
 

Honey Oil Riot Squad

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Give up, you know nothing about the basics of growing, your nutes will be garbage like the other over priced shit, so you want to get into a business that rips off growers selling water lol
Ummm... first of all I do know the basics of growing and then some... if I didn't I wouldn't even be contemplating this idea. Second of all I don't want to sell premade water solutions... I want to sell concentrated nutrients. That was just an idea pitched from someone else. And I'm pretty well versed in how to make fertilizer as I work in a lab adjusting formulations on fertilizers every day... but thanks.
The idea I pitched where ph and EC and everything would be just right would be from the fertilizer (ie put just the right amount if phosphoric acid/ ammonia, potash, or whatever in to get the water just right (once you put in exactly 2 mLor how ever much of each fert into RO water), to end up with ph 5.8 give or take a 0.1 pH units or so. Or instruct that you need this many excess drops phos acid (ph down) to get your pH right. You could definitely pull that off from RO, DI or distilled water. If they're using tap its a different story, but I didn't mean I would actually made the water solutions, that is kinda stupid if you ask me. I am surprised people actually profited off that
 
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zeddd

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Ummm... first of all I do know the basics of growing and then some... if I didn't I wouldn't even be contemplating this idea. Second of all I don't want to sell premade water solutions... I want to sell concentrated nutrients. That was just an idea pitched from someone else. And I'm pretty well versed in how to make fertilizer as I work in a lab adjusting formulations on fertilizers every day... but thanks.
The idea I pitched where ph and EC and everything would be just right would be from the fertilizer (ie put just the right amount if phosphoric acid/ ammonia, potash, or whatever in to get the water just right (once you put in exactly 2 mLor how ever much of each fert into RO water), to end up with ph 5.8 give or take a 0.1 pH units or so. Or instruct that you need this many excess drops phos acid (ph down) to get your pH right. You could definitely pull that off from RO, DI or distilled water. If they're using tap its a different story, but I didn't mean I would actually made the water solutions, that is kinda stupid if you ask me. I am surprised people actually profited off that
I don't believe you, "I work in a lab adjusting formulations every day" lol bs
 

Honey Oil Riot Squad

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I don't believe you, "I work in a lab adjusting formulations every day" lol bs
Alrighty... I think you're just putting coals on the fire for kicks at this point. Why is it that everytime I mention that I work in a lab and grow there's some guy that's like NO WAYYY BS... yeah... I do have a BS. A bachelor of science. It's not that uncommon for someone in science to enjoy a good toke too...
 
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Honey Oil Riot Squad

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Seems easier and more profitable to grow weed. Soo many nutrient brands , good luck with that.
Id probly be doing that on the side at least as a means of research and development of the nutrients. Say I choose to go the multiple strain route, i outta test it out somehow, right? Might as well sell the product too
 
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