Oregon Gardener
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Wow, these posts really got me thinking. ( I know, my O'l Lady discourages it too) Anyway, I have pulled some pics that I have taken over the years for fun. I always thought those were tap roots, but looking now, ?
Smart pot vs Plastic pot observation-Indoors
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kmog33
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Lol all secondary in clones.
Zoom in and look for the one that looks like a fuzzy bone that's about an inch and a half thick lol. It's the only one that has anywhere near its size and all the other roots grow off it.
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Oregon Gardener
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Oh yea, nice pic. Thanks
Oregon Gardener
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Also, that's a good looki'n dawg!
kmog33
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Haha thanks. She's pretty awesome. Found her on a street corner in a box at 8 lbs.
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Yodaweed
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You guys are completely wrong about clones yielding more, the seed ALWAYS yields more, it is more vigorous than clones, grows bigger buds, I know I have grown clones from my seed plants using the same exact conditions and the seeds ALWAYS yield more and grow bigger, clones usually flower faster because they are cut from a mature plant but my seeds ALWAYS outyield my clones.
kmog33
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Go read my posts, lol. I was trying to explain this. Clones will yield more consistently though...
Yodaweed
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Yeah all my clones usually yield the same or super similar, seeds have different phenos so you never know what you will get one pheno could be a heavy yielder next could be a light yielder.
kmog33
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Yodaweed
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Back to the original topic tho, smart pots make bushier plants from my experience, the plastic containers grow plants that grow more vertically. I prefer the smart pots but they are very expensive and been thinking about moving back to plastic just to save money (yes I am really that cheap).
GemuGrows
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I'm using smart pots and I can't stick my finger in my soil anywhere to see whether or not its dry, my plants root masses literally are so huge I can't put my finger anywhere.
That being said I use 10 gallon smart pots. I'm a believer in smart pots being pretty great; that being said i'd love to be proven wrong.
This thread is making me afraid of the fact that i'm growing clones in smart pots hah! But I don't have access to consistent quality seeds; whereas I have access to one good strain by clone.
Maybe i'll do a side by side sometime soon
That being said I use 10 gallon smart pots. I'm a believer in smart pots being pretty great; that being said i'd love to be proven wrong.
This thread is making me afraid of the fact that i'm growing clones in smart pots hah! But I don't have access to consistent quality seeds; whereas I have access to one good strain by clone.
Maybe i'll do a side by side sometime soon
All you continuously do is contradict your self on moment you say to ping prevents you from having a true top cola the next you say a clone can't have a true top cola then you post this saying it's easy for a plant to have multiple top colas I think you either have a very low iq or your under the influence of something that is detrimental to your judement
GemuGrows
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I've always considered the "main top cola" of a clone the highest/largest cola; aka apex.
I like to train my clones to be slightly uneven so I can maintain a clear apex. This is my first run with clones and i'm about to pull more out of my 3x3 than I did out of my 5x5 with random seeds; granted i learned a ton since that last run..
Clones:
Also I grow and greatly prefer quality over quantity; i feel like I could get more consistant quality with clones than I ever possibly could with seeds
innerG
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Clones regularly out yield seed crop in several ways.
- better for Sea of Green and maintaining uniform plant canopy
- not a mis- mash of different phenotypes
- clones often have denser branching patterns because they skip the seedling stage where the plant tends to stretch structurally
- running consistent genetics from clone lets you 'dial in' a strain by finding the best nutrient regimen and flowering setup/time to maximize yield in a way you never could growing from seed
- no worries about wasting resources on male seedlings
I'm sure there are many more reasons but that's all I can think of for now
- better for Sea of Green and maintaining uniform plant canopy
- not a mis- mash of different phenotypes
- clones often have denser branching patterns because they skip the seedling stage where the plant tends to stretch structurally
- running consistent genetics from clone lets you 'dial in' a strain by finding the best nutrient regimen and flowering setup/time to maximize yield in a way you never could growing from seed
- no worries about wasting resources on male seedlings
I'm sure there are many more reasons but that's all I can think of for now
The first was my month old 2 strain garden of blue og and a personal f1 hybrid of deep cheese x bay dream and the two photos of single plants are the two blue og females I am left with I would get a better yeild with a longer veg but imma bout to go to some lemon haze auto I should be cutting these two in 7 weeks when I took the males out of the garden I checked the roots and had a big ring of roots in the bottom of the plastic bag pots I was not impressed with the roots granted the plants had only been in the bags for 3 weeks tops
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kmog33
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Ok so obviously wordy explanations don't work here so I'll try to make it easy.
Every seed has 1 taproot and 1 main cola.
Topping coverts energy from the primary cola and converts its energy to all of the branches/secondary colas. Hence evening out the distribution of power and your canopy.
Clones never have a taproot, nor true primary cola, that is why their growth is not symmetrical, like seeds.
While clones give uniformity and you know what to expect, The mother plant that was from seed will always grow more vigorously than any clone taken from it because it does not have a taproot. ( under the same conditions.)
Clones are great. Thy just don't truly produce more than their seed counterparts.
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miketaco
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same indoors they dried out to fast for me and i came to late for watering one day during flowering and it was that make or break on timing and was to late... if it was a container i would prob made it threw the cycle
but yes good ol plastic for me for now
maby a combo of fabric in a plastic container with holes to meet half way?
kmog33
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I think what you are talking about is the nodes staggering during flower. Clones do not grow symmetrically because they are branches. Big plants do grow fairly symmetrically.
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