Like a hid put your hand under the light see how close you can get it without burning your hand. thats how close you can have them. I keep my 400w hid about 6-8" of the top of my plant. I could be closer but don't need to be. hid and vented hoods are great. then run the room 75-85. lol still not metric. or 15cm-20cm and 24c-29.5c I think