So who here is growing in true organic living soil?

Rrog

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HGK420 said:
organics are finally starting to take off in the popular grow world,
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Makes me want to cry. I wish I was kidding.

I have a day job, but it bums me that there are some key ingredients not on the ground in Michigan. We all should have cheap access to these materials. That's what makes me want to do it. Otherwise I'm too lazy to start a business. Ha!
 
kinddiesel

kinddiesel

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I use cheap soil but add microbes and the soil is alive. got a bunch of micscopic bugs. have to see them under a 200x scope. just because I did not start with a (organic) soil. does not mean its not.as good . mines better . wood chips are wood chips dirt is dirt.
 
GandalfdaGreen

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I now love my soil more than my plants. I was cleaning out my tea buckets today and I just love cleaning the sides of the buckets and cleaning out the strainers and stones. How can't you love this stuff? I am so sorry it took me so long to join in on this.
 
HGK420

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so i just got home from the old timers house and he tells me as of late hes been pretty much following the revs 3.1 TLO mix? he sent me home with the revs book to flip through and told me to get back out my Teaming with microbes book and read that too.
 
OGEvilgenius

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One thing about Biochar - most sources, according to my buddy who runs a hydro shop (which I know, roll your eyes, but he's an honest guy who does a lot of organic gardening) informed me that they burn down rainforests to make that stuff commercially. You might just wanna save some from your next camp fire instead - black, not ash, and you win.
 
Rrog

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HGK- I would read one of those two books. One is respected within the botanical community.

OGE- There's a lot of domestic char being made, but wow, not heard of shipping it in from overseas.
 
OGEvilgenius

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Rrog said:
I am anxious to see what you wind up with. I'm also pushing for simpler. I'm looking at omitting clay powders, for example. It's a pain to acquire, and I can't find a single function that clay powder provides that the Humus, biochar and organic matter aren't already providing.

I think of Fukuoka. The simpler he became, the better things grew. That's the path that interests me. I'd like to increase the ease and lower the cost. Use more locally available sources.
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The clay I use has high levels of silicic acid in it. Not too many good bioavailable sources of silica out there.
 
Rrog

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Problem with Silica is the lack of bioavailability- tru enuf. The silica wants to bind to O2. Create an ash from Horsetails (best source of siica I know of) and corn cob (high P). Mix the two ashes in water and you get a stable yet very bioabailable Potassium Silicate (I think that's it).

So to me, I'd rather get some horsetail locally and get my silica on. Just another way is all.

EDIT- You guys realize you've made this thread the most viewed ever on this Michigan subforum?
 
Javadog

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Rrog said:
Well holy shit! Thank you for that! Fungi Perfecti recommended the Hypsizygus Ulmarius (HUG) or Stropharia (the giants) for wood chip decomposition, particularly. Would you have an opinion on that?

So cool to talk about this!!
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I will not go on the record contradicting Lord Stamets. :0)

If you are going to buy spawn ready to go, and are in the
right locale, then either of those will do fine.

If you can work in some clean sawdust and other chips of
a different size scale than just one size, then this is a good
idea too.

Have fun!

JD
 
Rrog

Rrog

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Wasn't a communication from his majesty- one of his minions, and I sure don't know one mushroom from another... BTW you and I both respect Paul Stamets a great deal, just so folks reading don't misunderstand.

I'd like to try them all including the Oysters you suggested. I'd love to see what you think of the operation once we get rollin' and compostin'! I'll take lots of pics.

Pics of the Biochar Burner construction coming up first.
 
GandalfdaGreen

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Rrog said:
Problem with Silica is the lack of bioavailability- tru enuf. The silica wants to bind to O2. Create an ash from Horsetails (best source of siica I know of) and corn cob (high P). Mix the two ashes in water and you get a stable yet very bioabailable Potassium Silicate (I think that's it).

So to me, I'd rather get some horsetail locally and get my silica on. Just another way is all.

EDIT- You guys realize you've made this thread the most viewed ever on this Michigan subforum?
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It's all because of the content you bring and your incredible teachings. Thanks Rrog.
 
mrbungle79

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hey Rrog, gonna make my first foray into living soils with a bucket that I got from stOw. stupid excited. gonna be running a 16 week sativa in it. somas lavender x dj shorts blueberry. should be fun
 
Rrog

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Very exciting MrB! I've got a couple of fantastic drums ready for Biochar Making, I can tell ya that!!!!
 
Rrog

Rrog

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They are awesome my friend. Just like you. Thanks again. Promise to put them to good use. Thanks to St0w for the great help also. Always good to find an excuse to see St0w, I figure.
 
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Hemlock

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STINKEY turned my pile today. first time I have turned it since I put the whole fishes in it.. WOW that shit is gonna be good
 
Javadog

Javadog

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Yes, stink is good.

I wish that my neighbors were just a little farther away.

I couldn't even hang a fly trap.....who knew?! :0)

JD
 
Rrog

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Wow, so whole fishes? I missed this somehow. Sorry. So a thermal compost pile with fish? Tell us more!
 
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