Soil Food Web Gardening with Compost Teas

I dig the idea of top dressing dry amendments indoors,

But wonder how effective they will really be in the cycle you add them...?

Even in an 80+ day cycle, How long until those insolubles become soluble through microbial action?

In thinking about this, I came out with the idea that if I'm going to topdress indoors, during a cycle, it's only going to be with compost, leaf mold or EWC.

I think something to be remembered about no-till, is it dosnt mean you ALWAYS having something growing from your pots.

And mono cropping is never good, no till or not.

So I've come up with the idea to rotate my no till pots. After I harvest my meds, I rip out the root stump, and put some red wigglers in to eat up the roots, and add my dry amendments. After about a week, I'll re-innoculate with AACT. Then, I'll plant ethier beans, peas, oats or some other "fast" cover crop. Let this grow for just a few weeks, cut them down and leave the plants as mulch/worm food.

Let this sit for another 2 weeks and its ready to plant.

Pictures when I remember to take them....

I know a few folks over on IC who do this with great success...harvest, topdress + worms, sow either clover or another fast crop and then chop the clover after a bit and plant your cannabis. you can trap the worms out of the pot if you want with some of their favorite foods laid on the surface, or you can just leave em in there. this definitely helps keep the rhizosphere active and mycorrhizae alive, not to mention gives the soil a break and replenishes things a bit. wish I had the time to do this currently...

would love to see photos if you got the time

Rising Moon said:

I dig the idea of top dressing dry amendments indoors,

But wonder how effective they will really be in the cycle you add them...?

Even in an 80+ day cycle, How long until those insolubles become soluble through microbial action?

In thinking about this, I came out with the idea that if I'm going to topdress indoors, during a cycle, it's only going to be with compost, leaf mold or EWC.

I think something to be remembered about no-till, is it dosnt mean you ALWAYS having something growing from your pots.

And mono cropping is never good, no till or not.

So I've come up with the idea to rotate my no till pots. After I harvest my meds, I rip out the root stump, and put some red wigglers in to eat up the roots, and add my dry amendments. After about a week, I'll re-innoculate with AACT. Then, I'll plant ethier beans, peas, oats or some other "fast" cover crop. Let this grow for just a few weeks, cut them down and leave the plants as mulch/worm food.

Let this sit for another 2 weeks and its ready to plant.

Pictures when I remember to take them....

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Beans would seem to be ideal, as they pull most of their nitrogen from the air you'd be replenishing your N source pretty well. Among other things.

My Cliff Note on Actively Aerated Compost Tea...

1. Plants needs?
a. Tailor to Need Vegetative (N), Flower (P) or Def?
b. Fungi or Bacteria dominate verses balanced?

2. AACT Requirements – 5 gallon volume
a. H20 non chlorinated, no salts – air bubble min 2hr to dechorlinate
b. Organic Compost and/or Vermicastings - smell test - avoid overheated less beneficial microbes- 4 cups per 5 gal No Manures (e-coli, pathogens)
c. Fungi - *PRE FUNGI before brewing... used dry materials: compost/vermicastings and kelp for tea mix add 3 to 4 TBS per cup Com/Verm.
Moisten to a drop squeezed out. Place in container warm (80 degrees) dark place for 3 days. Look for White Frost-Santa's Beard.
d. Bacteria Microbes - * increase population by adding 2 TBS Molasses (nonsulphured) and or sugar/maple cane, maple syrup or fruit juices.

3. Brewing
a. Pre Fungi – See Section 2c.
b. Day 2 of pre fungi start aerating h2o in a 5 gal bucket (air stone and pump required). See Section 2a
c. Place fungi cover compost in cheesecloth or like it with remaining dry ingredients (kelp, humic & fulvic acids & phosphate rock dust).
Bind cheesecloth so no materials can escape place in 5 gal bucket. See Section 2b.
d. Aerated 24 hours add food for bacterial growth. Maintain room temperature - See Section 2d
e. Aerate another 24 hours before use. Smell test good = aerobic, bad = anaerobic

4. Applications see section at beginning of this forum thread.

5. Cleaning
a. clean dried material w/3% H2o2 or 5% baking soda

Yes...and Everyone like Show & Tell"...That one Gets put on the "Frosty List"

headtreep said:

Like having a new camera that's convenient to use.

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dankswag those are some confusing ass notes....

also if you haven't noticed we've somewhat strayed away from the whole "ACT for nutrients" deal around here...read the last 20 pages of the thread and you'll see what I mean.

the title of this thread is a bit misleading now...i PMed malignant about making the ROLS thread a sticky but no luck so far...not sure if that will ever happen. fingers crossed though...

Cann said:

dankswag those are some confusing ass notes....

also if you haven't noticed we've somewhat strayed away from the whole "ACT for nutrients" deal around here...read the last 20 pages of the thread and you'll see what I mean.

the title of this thread is a bit misleading now...i PMed malignant about making the ROLS thread a sticky but no luck so far...not sure if that will ever happen. fingers crossed though...

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Their loss not ours. Honestly I can say we put in a good effort in showing the people a different alternative. Shit I just no tilled me a bunch of male seedlings. Cull and replace with clone love it!!!

Cann said:

dankswag those are some confusing ass notes....

also if you haven't noticed we've somewhat strayed away from the whole "ACT for nutrients" deal around here...read the last 20 pages of the thread and you'll see what I mean.

the title of this thread is a bit misleading now...i PMed malignant about making the ROLS thread a sticky but no luck so far...not sure if that will ever happen. fingers crossed though...

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Don't discount things and spreads your opinion like it's fact just because YOU and the two ppl here that worship you "think" otherwise.
Since that discussion 20 pages back I've found literature reiterating what I was thinking, which is that AACTs can be fine tuned and made essentially into "bottle nutes".

AACTs are used for nutritional purposes without a doubt.
There's info in the thread in my sig Dankswag.

You said that it's was pointless to use them(AACT's) more than once and as more than anything other than an inoculation...
You are flat out WRONG.
Period...

You saying it's futile it basically you trolling..

The Compost Tea Brewing Manual...It's a manual about brewing compost tea.
Everything that I've said 20 pages ago is there.

"you can put a tuxedo on a goat but at the end of the day it's still a goat"

headtreep said:

Their loss not ours. Honestly I can say we put in a good effort in showing the people a different alternative. Shit I just no tilled me a bunch of male seedlings. Cull and replace with clone love it!!!

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Cool to show an alternative but don't discount shit like it doesn't work...
Shouldn't be anyone's loss...Should be everyone's gain.

Cann said:

"you can put a tuxedo on a goat but at the end of the day it's still a goat"

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Lol and you say the title of this thread is misleading lol. You are just leading ppl away from the title...
It got stickied with the title that it has didn't it?

and the "veganics" threads are also stickied. notice that Matt Rize is a mod? hmmmm......

wonder why that is...

not everything that is sticky is good information, or even truth. many in the organics section are based in myth and not in horticulture.

in fact, i disregard most of the stickies on here.

done w/ this convo dude...we had the same one 20 pages back. guess i'll just have to stop posting in the compost tea thread if I don't like compost teas....

Everything stickied is meant to be good info.
Meant to help ppl...
Which is why it gets sticked..
You don't ask them to sticky shit lol they just do it when one of the mods feel it's deserving.
And you would disregard all the stickies since you're so busy trying to get one.
Or even make this thread yours....

You say the title of this thread has become misleading. It's because of you and your couple manned army..
Or your other personalites...

STOP discouting stuff that works damn.
Just because you don't do it doesn't mean it's not right..

Someone tries to share and you tell them "you guys" have done away with AACTs as nutes....
C'mon.

That last sentence of yours is SPOT ON!

guess i'll just have to stop posting in the compost tea thread if I don't like compost teas....

Make a thread as to why compost teas are useless..
And TROLL ON

Sincerely420 said:

Cool to show an alternative but don't discount shit like it doesn't work...
Shouldn't be anyone's loss...Should be everyone's gain.

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WTF did I do homie? lol I use ACT too. Look back at my posts and I talk highly about them. Infact I'm brewing one now dickface lol. hehe

Smoke a bowl.

No harm meant to be done boss..I apologize if you took it the wrong way...

Dude saying AACTs use is futile is misinfo. That's all

Bout to roll up right now!

I love compost tea!!!!!





I just ACTED this bitch. She will bring me good things.

if it's so damn great then why isn't it being used by every organic vegetable farmer across the world? where is it's presence in true horticulture?

these are the questions I ask myself.

also, which thread will I troll next?

hmmmmmm....

But am starting to see where these guys say they don't need to use ACT often. Check this, I have another room that I don't hang out in as much that I don't ACT because it's too much of a pain. I have blumats with these ones and just a real nice soil with 2 inches of vermicompost. My results are looking the same as the ones I hit with ACT often. hmmm.........

Cann said:

if it's so damn great then why isn't it being used by every organic vegetable farmer across the world? where is it's presence in true horticulture?

these are the questions I ask myself.

also, which thread will I troll next?

hmmmmmm....

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It's that damn great bro! And is being used in gardens AROUND THE WORLD. C'mon man.