SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP 6 weeks into flower

nice. wut u using for light

I have 650HPS veg, 250 CFL veg, 650hps flower, 125 CFL flower i also have two 125 cfl in grow case for seeds

i only have 1 meter of grow space so i am stuck with lowriders in winter but summer is not far away and i am going to clone loads of them for mates gardens then go halfs with them we all spen 7 g a year on weed this is my attempt to cut all our weed bills fingers crossed my mates in germany at the min and is grabbing some lowriders for our winter crop at the end of this year el neno for outdoor grow might have couple make it in grow room 21 seeds some got be female

very nice. im thinking of switching to 2 150 hps for my closet. i gonna have to get more info on them tho, i dont want it to get 2 hot in there. right now i got about 450 actual cfl watts in there and temp is not a prob . but i figure 2 150 should be less heat than 1 400, and i will be able to move them around my plants . wish i had more space

6 100w cfls are better by far than one 600cfl to get a 1000w 7 150w cfls yeild better results as it evenly spreads the light i just wish i had space but i havnt not even a cubard small 2 bed house loft space is long but not very wide or tall i crawl about up there like a rat growing the best i can hell its my first grow but i do love it as i can put my sunglasses on lie down with pillow and serf the web every now and then i forget its -3 outside and winter 78 in the shade nice roll on summer i suffer from S.A.D.S which makes me mr angry in the winter but sit in grow room(lie) for a few hours nd i come out feeling recharged

Uncle Ben said:

You can't figure it out because you're throwing so much stuff at the plant, probably not waiting for a reaction on NEW material before you throw some more stuff at it. This deficiency thing, trying this and that, will drive you crazy. Usually the brown spots are a reaction to too much salts. I wouldn't use Tiger Bloom on my lawn.

UB

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dag whats wrong with tiger bloom? i thought fox farms was the way to go, well thats what people recommended.

Hi mate never listen to people gather information not just from forums Google your questions and make your own decisions as some people actually have not a clue. I made that mistake when I started on the 1st of Nov.

Two sides to the argument some nutriments like tiger bloom contain chemicals that increase bud production although they work they leave a powder on the buds and well at least I can tell when bud enhancers are used. And it’s no good flushing out as the chemical sits on the plant not inside like normal nutriments. This stuff is scientifically proved to work but does take flavour away were as one grown organically will taste much better and contain crystals instead of powder this is my opinion and is based on 25 years of smoking the shit.

Plants need nutriments and the 3 main ones are contained in tomato plant food so you could use this like me or do more research as I am because you can by all the natural chemicals your plant needs separately from a good garden centre then you simply make your own for a fraction of the price containing no man made bud enhancing chemicals.

well dam. thz for ur info + rep i dont know why but i always thought fox farm was a 100% organic company, but after looking on the bottles nothing on it says organic, but it does say in on the soil. what brand tomato food do u use. what is the npk on it. i spent almost $40 on this fox farm nutes so u bets believe ima use it till its gone. but im bout to start looking for organic nutes.

Coolvibes said:

we all spen 7 g a year on weed this is my attempt to cut all our weed bills fingers crossed

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amen to that

sorry this thread is so old youre probably over it by now but here is my 2 cents. Looks like Mag. def. for sure to me. Ive use FF products for years and i add 1/2 strenghth Cal-Mag every feeding. It has 2% N as well. Also use FF Big Bloom w/ both the Grow Big and Tiger. Their feeding sch. is pretty right on. Also you will see they recommend Grow Big again at weeks 4-5 of flower. Remember Mag. def. usually starts in the middle of the plant like yours did. Spider Mites are usually seen lower at first, w/ the white dots showing on the leaves from the damage done on the underside of the leaves. I dont think you have them but for future reference buy and have on hand some Azatrol or Azamax. I also use Sulphur and dont get powdery midlew. you'll see it if you do. I spay 3 times during veg and early flower no matter what i see or DONT see. once you have a good bud set dont spray. I make sure to really coat the stems and underside of leaves. Dont use in the water or soil or after oil spray (it will fucking kill your shit quick).Hope next time is better. Keep everthing written down so you know when it happened and what you tried to fix it. Then next time you can add things before the problem.

Tattooboy37 said:

sorry this thread is so old youre probably over it by now but here is my 2 cents. Looks like Mag. def. for sure to me. Ive use FF products for years and i add 1/2 strenghth Cal-Mag every feeding. It has 2% N as well. Also use FF Big Bloom w/ both the Grow Big and Tiger. Their feeding sch. is pretty right on. Also you will see they recommend Grow Big again at weeks 4-5 of flower. Remember Mag. def. usually starts in the middle of the plant like yours did. Spider Mites are usually seen lower at first, w/ the white dots showing on the leaves from the damage done on the underside of the leaves. I dont think you have them but for future reference buy and have on hand some Azatrol or Azamax. I also use Sulphur and dont get powdery midlew. you'll see it if you do. I spay 3 times during veg and early flower no matter what i see or DONT see. once you have a good bud set dont spray. I make sure to really coat the stems and underside of leaves. Dont use in the water or soil or after oil spray (it will fucking kill your shit quick).Hope next time is better. Keep everthing written down so you know when it happened and what you tried to fix it. Then next time you can add things before the problem.

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thx for ur 2 cents + rep. mag def was 1 of the first thigs i thougt it was, but i gave some epsom to my first plant with no real results. and i aslo gave another plant grow big, i read the bottle and it says it has .60 mag in it. but it did nothing for my plant. thats why im leaning more towards a K def. i think i read somwhere that K def can cause the tips of ur fan leaves to burn. and the tips of all my leaves are burnt a little.i was thinking they could be K def from me not givivg enough nutes. what are yall thoughts on this.

cee1230 said:

thx for ur 2 cents + rep. mag def was 1 of the first thigs i thougt it was, but i gave some epsom to my first plant with no real results. and i aslo gave another plant grow big, i read the bottle and it says it has .60 mag in it. but it did nothing for my plant. thats why im leaning more towards a K def. i think i read somwhere that K def can cause the tips of ur fan leaves to burn. and the tips of all my leaves are burnt a little.i was thinking they could be K def from me not givivg enough nutes. what are yall thoughts on this.

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It could be a lot of things but i just have never been deficient in major nutes w/ FF. At that point in a grow i wouldn't use the GB for micro nutes. Thats why i use Big Bloom w/ both GB and Tiger. I use the Cal Mag + half strength to make sure i dont run short on mag and cal. You can add their solubles which are high nkp ratios (0-50-30 for BeastieBloom and 9-50-10 for ChaChing) so if you've been skimping on nutes u could be def. in a major nute. U can use 10 ml/gal Tiger w/ additives and not burn your girls. Also Mag can be locked out w/ too much Cal. or if you are using bad water (no R/O). Remember too that the damaged leaves wont get better even if Mag. def. is treated. So only if new growth shows same thing should that still be your concern. Minor tip burn is ok if thats all that continues. It just means your pushing them too the edge. IMO a lil stress is ok if your temps are ok and there is plenty of fresh air or co2 to compensate. Damn you got a long strain or what? If so your timing needs to be adjusted on when you give it certain things (initial bud set can be extended and the mid weeks can be extended to make sure they fill out properly). Good Luck

Tattooboy37 said:

It could be a lot of things but i just have never been deficient in major nutes w/ FF. At that point in a grow i wouldn't use the GB for micro nutes. Thats why i use Big Bloom w/ both GB and Tiger. I use the Cal Mag + half strength to make sure i dont run short on mag and cal. You can add their solubles which are high nkp ratios (0-50-30 for BeastieBloom and 9-50-10 for ChaChing) so if you've been skimping on nutes u could be def. in a major nute. U can use 10 ml/gal Tiger w/ additives and not burn your girls. Also Mag can be locked out w/ too much Cal. or if you are using bad water (no R/O). Remember too that the damaged leaves wont get better even if Mag. def. is treated. So only if new growth shows same thing should that still be your concern. Minor tip burn is ok if thats all that continues. It just means your pushing them too the edge. IMO a lil stress is ok if your temps are ok and there is plenty of fresh air or co2 to compensate. Damn you got a long strain or what? If so your timing needs to be adjusted on when you give it certain things (initial bud set can be extended and the mid weeks can be extended to make sure they fill out properly). Good Luck

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thx ur post was a lot of help especially about the tips.

You shouldn't have to flush but 1-2 xs before harvesting. Instead of flushing, about a month before harvesting, just water every 3-4 days as usual. That should clear the ferts. out. Clip the sick fan leaves off.

mookabbb said:

You shouldn't have to flush but 1-2 xs before harvesting. Instead of flushing, about a month before harvesting, just water every 3-4 days as usual. That should clear the ferts. out. Clip the sick fan leaves off.

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thx for help

yo i think i know what it is, although im sure im like the 50th person to say that
anyways, i think its a manganese deficiency - "Necrotic and yellow spots form on top leaves. Mn deficiency occurs when large amounts of Mg are present in the soil. Foliar feed with any chemical fertilizer containing Mn."
So it could be a lockout from too much magnesium (necrotic spots on lower leaves- your lower leaves looked fine)

got any pics of how it looks now? better, worse?

i was woundering if you ever found the problem? and if you didnt did they flower out ok? please let me know as i am haveing the same thing happen i flushed and only used ph ro water for a week and am not feeding again but i added calmag to the mix.

MistaKris said:

i was woundering if you ever found the problem? and if you didnt did they flower out ok? please let me know as i am haveing the same thing happen i flushed and only used ph ro water for a week and am not feeding again but i added calmag to the mix.

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Is this your first crop as I think the leaves turning brown and falling off is due to the last 3 weeks of bud cycle the bud site use all of the goodness from the not used fan leaves granted you could add more salts to the soil to stop the plant using it its store of nitrogen calcium potassium and many other trace elements which are stored in the leaves adding more neauts at this stage is a waist as the plant has enough to finish the cycle just my thoughts stands to reason though don’t take a rocket scientist this is why a lot of growers have trace element burns in the later stages of bud and for the life of them can not figure out why well I grow myself tweaking my strain and not everyone on here is right take s selective view and make your own choice to suit you
Fun though hey mate let me know how it goes for you on your next grow
Take care
Kind regards
coolvibes

I am on my second grow and both have/had the same problem.
Same bagseed, same spots, same time.....about 6 weeks into flower.
I have yet to find a solution. It is beyond frustrating.

I hope someone will find a solution soon.

Whats even more frustrating is...... Uncle Ben
I have the utmost respect for people with extensive horticultural and botanical backgrounds.
Ben, please stop talking in parables. I know you have well over twenty years of grow experience and these problems us newbs are having are childs play to someone like you but.....damn.

Do you think, once, just one fucking time, you could just be honest and say something like.....
The soil I use is.......
The ferts I use are.....
The ratio I recommend is...

Just tell people what you would do.... You are one of the most knowledgeable people on the internet in the cannabis arena.
I dont know anyone who wouldnt take your advice.... If you said to start over I would.

Just please, please stop replies like...... "go ahead, use that stuff, then watch your plant die."
Thats not help....Thats just an asshole who knows more about plants than I do, saying figure it out.
No one is asking for a sugar coated answer, just a helpful one.
We all rely on people like you to lend a helping hand because we dont have the means to aquire a botanical degree.

That being said, when I had this problem with my first grow, I tried all the solutions mentioned here but no luck.
Back then I had 5 gal. pots with miracle grow soil, botanicare 1-4-5 flower nutes, and a teaspoon molasses per gallon water.

I have since switched to soiless mix, I added shultz 10-15-10 to my feeding program and although I am still having the same problem, it is less severe and it didnt start until much later into flowering.
So I am getting closer to finding a solution.... but I would much rather find the cause....