Somebody told me he only grows from seed, because when u clone it not as good???

He said u dilute the genes but from what I've read on here that's completely false? Anyone know??

ya total bs man cloning is the way to go all the good growers do it! good luck tell your friends he is a tool for me!

Agreed. Cloning preserves genes... that's why we do it.

Growing from seed will "dilute" genes with every generation. Unless you inbreed. But even that is no guarantee.

When you clone you are essentially growing the same plant, you are just dividing it indefinitely. Many plants like most bananas can only be propagated by clone. You will get the same quality as the mother plant as long as you provide the same care and nutrients. That's why cloning is so great. Once you find the strains you are happy with, you can grow them perpetually as many people do.

Judging by that ripe nug in your picture, you have thus far ignored advice from people who believe that sort of thing without having the intelligence to ask the good folks on riu first!

Lol thank you! Id consider myself a average grower and I've seen some amazing result from this guy and he is pretty big time but he swore that he only buys his seeds from high times, and don't bother with other strains, that he only grows from seed because it's the best way to grow, and blah blah ..and then i listen to some of these guys on here who are skilled, gifted growers telling you the opposite. It's annoying and confusing, I am thankful for this forum!

Shantibaba knows better than anybody on the planet and he has at least one mother plant that is 16+ years old, how do you think he's been knocking out the genuine "White Widow" F1 seeds since the early 90's?

At 1:37 he'll tell you himself!

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The "Exodus Cheese" is a UK clone only strain, a throwback pheno that came out of a pack of The Seedbank's "Skunk #1" seeds back in the 80's!






Get your mate who only grows from seed to think about it logically for 2 mins and he has no choice but to face palm.............

spencer2121 said:

Lol thank you! Id consider myself a average grower and I've seen some amazing result from this guy and he is pretty big time but he swore that he only buys his seeds from high times, and don't bother with other strains, that he only grows from seed because it's the best way to grow, and blah blah ..and then i listen to some of these guys on here who are skilled, gifted growers telling you the opposite. It's annoying and confusing, I am thankful for this forum!

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Well, you're guy is only wrong about this. I'm sure there's still plenty more to learn from him. Sometimes people get an idea in their head and it takes a long time to get it out afterward... especially if it's been in there a long time.

Go take clones from his plant and show him yourself!!!

sounds like someone is too stuck in their ways to be openminded...cloning is perfectly fine

His seeds are made from clones in fact ALL commercial seeds are made from clones, clones of mother and father P1 plants.

You take a clone from the mother, one from the father and cross those clones to make seeds. When you want some more seeds you take a couple more clones and cross those.

If you pollinated the mother you'd be screwed, you would make that strain extinct once the first batch of seeds run out because the prize female would be dead!

spencer2121 said:

He said u dilute the genes but from what I've read on here that's completely false? Anyone know??

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no its not completely false. theres kind of more to it than one would think. you see the only real major downside to cloning is clones are not as immune to diseases and molds as most seedlings. i think it may have to do with their age because a clone is considered an already mature plant. i do know people personally who will only do seeds and dont like clones. i also read a high times article about this i will dig it up for you later today if i remember. another downside is clones actually dont have the EXACT same dna as their mother but almost exact. a vague comparison is say you have a piece of paper and put it in a copy machine. say you make a copy of that copy. then a copy of that copy and so on several times. over time things will get distorted and the copy wont be exactly the same. this is sort of essentially what happens with clones over a long period of time. clones are also much faster than seedlings and maximize production much more.

now about seeds. each seed has different genetics. similar but still different. they can be different heights, growth rates, potency, flavors, etc. when a plant is the same strain but has different traits they usually call it a different phenotype. thats why you see like skunk #1 or northern lights #5. its the different pheno. when you get a new strain, its best to grow several of the same seeds, then pick your very best 1 or 2 for cloning. others may be too weak or too slow of growth rate. however, you still may want to keep doing seeds in addition because you never know when you will get a new seeded plant better than the clone of the same strain.

heres a perfect example why people shouldnt only stick to clones. the legend of electric lemon larry and how lemon skunk came to be. some one grew a skunk plant from seed and it had a very unique lemony trait. they kept that plant and the mother has been in vegas for over 20 years. even though its skunks, its a different pheno and since it was so unique, they gave it the name electric lemon larry. they took a powerful male skunk from somewhere in europe and crossed the 2 making lemon skunk. if these people would have only kept a normal skunk and kept cloning it only, they may never have gotten the very unique electric lemon larry.

personally i do both. if i find a strain i really like i'll make it into a mother plant. every once in a while though i will grow new seeds of the same strain just to see if its genetics are better than the mother. if so i replace it. imo clones are better and the way to go. but i say it never hurts to do seeds once in a while cause you never know what kind of unique traits you will get. just months ago i planted some super lemon haze seeds and they turned out looking more like LA Confidential plants. they ended up crossing without me even knowing. turns out my la cons had a few hidden pollen sacks from a light leak and/o heat stress. stuff turned out amazing.

technically, your friend is right, cloning does dilute genes. however it is very minimal unless you've been cloning the same strain for many generations. like i said i will share the high times article when i get a chance. have to go to my other house later today where my magazines are.

also in case anyone is wonder how you would go about testing weather a plant has better genetics. personally i try and give the plants as close conditions as possible and monitor their growth rate. as far as testing potency, i bring it to a gas chronography lab specifically for testing weed.

The Yorkshireman said:

If you pollinated the mother you'd be screwed, you would make that strain extinct once the first batch of seeds run out because the prize female would be dead!

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not if you reveg the mother and then clone her.

skiweeds said:

a vague comparison is say you have a piece of paper and put it in a copy machine. say you make a copy of that copy. then a copy of that copy and so on several times. over time things will get distorted and the copy wont be exactly the same. this is sort of essentially what happens with clones over a long period of time.

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ok but this only matters if your cloning your clone and then cloning that clone and so on...if you continue to clone only the mother plant then you have the first copy every time......

skiweeds said:

not if you reveg the mother and then clone her.

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