SOS: where's the smell ??

I've previously seen the recommendation of epsom salt on uk420 forums like 4 years ago, it didn't really specify its good for terpenes or anything but they said its really the best to have for flowering, 1tea spoon per liter, so that's what Ive been using since then and I bought a bag of 1kg from some website for not more than 20 bucks if I remember well.. still got around 750g or more today.. and I still havent got any grow to complain about, so thanks for confirming with ur knowledge what I've always felt about those "attractive" product names and logos...

The problem is you are barely in flower. Report back in 3-4 weeks.

You might want to look into LST training before branches get too rigid - by opening her up a little more will allow better airflow and light to get to mid level growth.

Toss the CO2 - your ambient air will do more than that waste of money in an unsealed grow.

Some plants are just neutral in terpene dept until mid to late flower. Others stink even as small veg plants. If terpenes are of greatest concern to you, supplement additional Magnesium Sulfate, elemental sulfur, plant protiens, and amino acids.
If trichome density is of value you can use Magnesium hydrochloride.
But with how far hybridization of strains have come now days, your bound to find another seed, oozing with those genetic attributes.

Keeping the environment as ideal as possible, proper nutrient/ water managment and always maintaining proper light distance will guarantee a garden of stinky donkey dicks, .....everytime.

waterproof808 said:

The problem is you are barely in flower. Report back in 3-4 weeks.

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you're right I am starting to smell the gelato 41 even more now but the runtz, which's always been the stinkiest plant to me is still weak in smell, so I guess it'll come maybe 3 or 4 weeks later as u say.. I'll defo report then .. thanks G

Budzbuddha said:

You might want to look into LST training before branches get too rigid - by opening her up a little more will allow better airflow and light to get to mid level growth.

Toss the CO2 - your ambient air will do more than that waste of money in an unsealed grow.

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the CO2 im using is the effervescent tabs that I use when watering, still not worth it ?? thanks for the advice tho.. the last training I chose to do it to one only(gelato41) cuz my tent is not too big of a space for 2 scrogs (80x80cm) but yeah I'll def try to keep opening the gelato even more for the better airflow and light hope its not too late as the stems might be quiet harder now...

McShnutz said:

Some plants are just neutral in terpene dept until mid to late flower. Others stink even as small veg plants. If terpenes are of greatest concern to you, supplement additional Magnesium Sulfate, elemental sulfur, plant protiens, and amino acids.
If trichome density is of value you can use Magnesium hydrochloride.
But with how far hybridization of strains have come now days, your bound to find another seed, oozing with those genetic attributes.

Keeping the environment as ideal as possible, proper nutrient/ water managment and always maintaining proper light distance will guarantee a garden of stinky donkey dicks, .....everytime.

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if I told you that for now im giving it small dosages of BIOBIZZ top max + bio heaven and some epsom salt, all besides the usual AN sensi bloom a+b.. do they contain some of the ingredients you mentioned ?? I mean im not that type of a grower that reads each bottles ingredients and notices tbh.. I've always grew with those basic instructions found in the feeding schedules, that's all.. however, if you're a connoisseur in the matter i'D listen to your advice carefully my friend, thanks a lot !!

iAwin said:

the CO2 im using is the effervescent tabs that I use when watering, still not worth it ??

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Definitely not worth it! Yours plants can recieve the same C02 values if you exhale on them. Sounds silly, I know. But C02 is heavier than air so its always heading to the floor.
Your not watering these tabs into the soil are you? Roots use ZERO C02, only 02. The leaves are what take in the c02 and only when stomata are open. But like @Budzbuddha said, ditch the tabs. Your not in a sealed space sonics really just a waste.
In order for c02 to be truly effective you need to very tightly control the VPD (vapor pressure deficit) and have PPFD sensors to adjust the light distance and by default, the DLI (daily light integral)

iAwin said:

if I told you that for now im giving it small dosages of BIOBIZZ top max + bio heaven and some epsom salt, all besides the usual AN sensi bloom a+b.. do they contain some of the ingredients you mentioned ?? I mean im not that type of a grower that reads each bottles ingredients and notices tbh.. I've always grew with those basic instructions found in the feeding schedules, that's all.. however, if you're a connoisseur in the matter i'D listen to your advice carefully my friend, thanks a lot !!

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I make all my fertilizers from scratch and utilize a much different and advanced nutrient management approach. I'm 100% organic/veganic. However, I've used AN in the past with success but to the tune of $400 for the entire line. Crop was nice, but there's so much unanswered questions I had about the science of it all. That's what pushed me to study plant science and molecular antagonism.

Yes the AN does have the needed elements to bring out terpenes and enhance trichome production, with the exception of Magnesium hydrochloride. That would be a product known as snow storm ultra, made by Humboldt. I've used it yrs ago, and to be honest.... it was purely for bag appeal. It made manicure of the flowers so difficult from the scissors Gummi up and stuck shut. I had to have a bowl of everclear (195 proof alcohol) with 5 pairs of scissors in rotation.

Are ykur temps same as last time? If low temp then it could make her sweat less making less smell

McShnutz said:

Definitely not worth it! Yours plants can recieve the same C02 values if you exhale on them. Sounds silly, I know. But C02 is heavier than air so its always heading to the floor.
Your not watering these tabs into the soil are you? Roots use ZERO C02, only 02. The leaves are what take in the c02 and only when stomata are open. But like @Budzbuddha said, ditch the tabs. Your not in a sealed space sonics really just a waste.
In order for c02 to be truly effective you need to very tightly control the VPD (vapor pressure deficit) and have PPFD sensors to adjust the light distance and by default, the DLI (daily light integral)


I make all my fertilizers from scratch and utilize a much different and advanced nutrient management approach. I'm 100% organic/veganic. However, I've used AN in the past with success but to the tune of $400 for the entire line. Crop was nice, but there's so much unanswered questions I had about the science of it all. That's what pushed me to study plant science and molecular antagonism.

Yes the AN does have the needed elements to bring out terpenes and enhance trichome production, with the exception of Magnesium hydrochloride. That would be a product known as snow storm ultra, made by Humboldt. I've used it yrs ago, and to be honest.... it was purely for bag appeal. It made manicure of the flowers so difficult from the scissors Gummi up and stuck shut. I had to have a bowl of everclear (195 proof alcohol) with 5 pairs of scissors in rotation.

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Man, once I grew the DOS SI DOS 33 long ago and that was the only plant that I can say it really annoyed me with its high terpene prod.. it was like insane but I think that strain is somehow too strong and I didn't quiet like its aroma.. smelled like olive oil to me somehow xD..

the alcohol bottles and the stickiness of tools lets me only imagine how daaaaaank ur buds must have been with that snow storm.. unfortunately here in Europe its impossible to find Humboldt prods.. we're left with biobizz and AN and some other stuff.. but none of the Canadian/American is being sold here.. unless you're willing to pay like over 60 bucks for delivery fees.. and yeah when it comes to co2 I've never had any big issue with those tabs.. even tho what u just mentioned sound much more reasonable to me.. that roots must get a lot of O2 instead of co2 its just that I once tried those co2 bags that u hang, but damn that stuff was really toxic.. every time I had to open the tent I really needed to hold my breath til I get the pots out of it.. so now I've bought these tabs and idk tbh..

I've had nice grows before without the use of co2 but then read about it in some websites and decided to give it a try with the expectation of fattening the buds even more.. btw I started giving co2 a try just since my recent grow.. which I also tried the trimming theory which I messed up big time.. having trimmed a loooooot more than necessary.. and finished with the thinnest buds I've ever had.. like it was literally a waste grow.. so for this time im not trimming almost at all but kept the use of co2 tabs.. I will listen to ur advice and cut from now on.. cuz yeah I let one tab finish effervescing in a liter of phed water and then poor it in the soil.. xD Guys don't laugh at me !!

amneziaHaze said:

Are ykur temps same as last time? If low temp then it could make her sweat less making less smell

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very interesting bro.. I did indeed changed the placement of my tent which was right stuck on the radiator all my previous grows..now its way further and just against a wall.. you're saying that plants sweat too.. first time I read about it so of course that must be now the most accurate explanation to me.. I can assure everyone I always had the plant, not stinking like during flowering stage, but at least having a strong smelling fan leaves.. so yep the temp definitely was higher all my previous grows.. I think I'll put the tent back to where it was and see for my next grow to be 100% sure..

I just messed up the stem stretching, one off them cracked a lil, not completely, but made a little fissure noticeable at the main stem.. as the picture shows: immediately tried to tighten in it back with those clips.. light is almost on all the buds unlike before this stretching.. Im just really crossing fingers for that crack to not F up everything.. I also transplanted them to a 5 gallon pots before yesterday, so its their 2nd and final transplant.. it went perfectly fine..

iAwin said:

very interesting bro.. I did indeed changed the placement of my tent which was right stuck on the radiator all my previous grows..now its way further and just against a wall.. you're saying that plants sweat too.. first time I read about it so of course that must be now the most accurate explanation to me.. I can assure everyone I always had the plant, not stinking like during flowering stage, but at least having a strong smelling fan leaves.. so yep the temp definitely was higher all my previous grows.. I think I'll put the tent back to where it was and see for my next grow to be 100% sure..

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they dont sweat but at higher temperatures to cool down they push water from roots up in to the leafs. there is a sickness that makes blisters in the leafs because plants use too much pressure to push the water and their "veins" explode