Sprout Leaves Turning Yellow/Brown + 1 sprout dieing

Emoslayer

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I just moved my growbox into a different room, where the temp stays at a constant 70-76 range, and they had just come from my room which is 75-85 range... and when i woke up my weakest sprout had died *it was like 9 days old* and the strong plants were still strong but had their very first set of leaves turning yellow/brown..

Is this from the temp change? im not sure what could be going wrong.
 

Emoslayer

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heres a picture of one thats dieing, does anyone think i can save it or is it gone? :wall:

Also, my best one shows its bottom leaves have turned a light yellow color.. what does it mean? :!::sad:

also, the white stuff on the plants is from me misting them minutes before i decided to take a picture..

my ph level is between 6.5-7 *using a distilled purity water* and they did undergo like a 6-7 degree heat change but im not sure it did this
 

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Emoslayer

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This just happened last night so they've been suffering for awhile, i need to fix this as soon as possible, any solutions will be very helpful
 

Emoslayer

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symptoms seem to be getting worse, the plant is wilting and turning darker green.. all the leaves are slumped and wrinkling
 

420king

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looks like you might be over watering them,
as for neuts i would go with a body builder pronto
 

Emoslayer

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looks like you might be over watering them,
as for neuts i would go with a body builder pronto

Over watering? I've actually had one wilt after an 36 hours of not watering then shoot back up. I hadn't watered these for 36 hours and i thought thats what might have done it but its not coming back and its definately wrinkling more.

What do you mean by body builder type nutes?

any good examples? and i thought foxfarm oceanforest had enough nutes for sprouts
 

420king

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i got mine from a flower shop where im from and its 0-0-3 and its great for
-improving heat and drought tolerance, the silicon increases resistance to stress from the environment its is
worked for my plants
 

cruzer101

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Hi Elmo,
I got you message and I will try and help. First by answering your questions.

The temperature difference from 85 to 70, No that would not effect them.
The lower leaf turning yellow, What causes that in a seedling is the plant needs nutrients and it is drawing them from its own leaf. When it does that it takes the chloryphill as well, thats why it turns yellow. Normally the nutrient it is lacking at this stage is nitrogen because it requires quite a bit at this point.

Now, there are different ways a plant can get a nutrient deffency, First is there are no nutrients to be had in what it is growing in. like hydro grows where you supply nutrients. Second and most common, is the plant can not use the nutrients that are there. Improper pH causes this. Think of it this way, nutrients flow through the plant, improper pH clogs the lines at the roots. Another way is the plant cannot breath properly, it is unable to transfer nutrients because it is clogged at the other end. What causes this is the leafs little pours (stoma) dont open and close properly therefore your plant does not get enough co2.

By looking at what you posted it sounds like you skipped the most common mistake I havent mentioned yet, over watering. We all love them too much. But the lower leaf turned yellow, and growth has slowed, warning sign. OK what have you done, you have proper temps, lighting, water and pH right? Maybe not.

What I think is happening is that your pH is off so your plant can not absorb the nutrients in the soil and you keep misting them and clogging the leaves ability to absorb co2, this weakens the plant, it pulls on its stored nutrients (yellow leafs) but there isnt much. The stem gets weak and it folds over and dies. (damping off)

The proper way to test pH in the water is both before and after you water.
In other words Ph test the run off water after it goes through the soil. then you know whats in the dirt and can adjust accordingly.

Don't mist your seedlings. mist the area around them. You want humidity. not wet plants. Don't use a fan on them. move the air around them once they get bigger. They don't need it now.

When plants are seedlings temps are more important then once they get established. The reason being is they are so small they don't have the reserves to come back once a mistake happens. When it comes to temps whats more important then ambient temperatures is the root zone temperature. You want your root zone temps between 70 to 80d while they are seedlings The foliage can be anywhere between 55 to 90d big swing I know. Once they are established you want your root zone within 10 degrees of the foliage temp. 75d roots 85d foliage This will keep your inter node spacing (the branches) closer together.

Hope that helps.
 

Emoslayer

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Hi Elmo,
I got you message and I will try and help. First by answering your questions.

The temperature difference from 85 to 70, No that would not effect them.
The lower leaf turning yellow, What causes that in a seedling is the plant needs nutrients and it is drawing them from its own leaf. When it does that it takes the chloryphill as well, thats why it turns yellow. Normally the nutrient it is lacking at this stage is nitrogen because it requires quite a bit at this point.

Now, there are different ways a plant can get a nutrient deffency, First is there are no nutrients to be had in what it is growing in. like hydro grows where you supply nutrients. Second and most common, is the plant can not use the nutrients that are there. Improper pH causes this. Think of it this way, nutrients flow through the plant, improper pH clogs the lines at the roots. Another way is the plant cannot breath properly, it is unable to transfer nutrients because it is clogged at the other end. What causes this is the leafs little pours (stoma) dont open and close properly therefore your plant does not get enough co2.

By looking at what you posted it sounds like you skipped the most common mistake I havent mentioned yet, over watering. We all love them too much. But the lower leaf turned yellow, and growth has slowed, warning sign. OK what have you done, you have proper temps, lighting, water and pH right? Maybe not.

What I think is happening is that your pH is off so your plant can not absorb the nutrients in the soil and you keep misting them and clogging the leaves ability to absorb co2, this weakens the plant, it pulls on its stored nutrients (yellow leafs) but there isnt much. The stem gets weak and it folds over and dies. (damping off)

The proper way to test pH in the water is both before and after you water.
In other words Ph test the run off water after it goes through the soil. then you know whats in the dirt and can adjust accordingly.

Don't mist your seedlings. mist the area around them. You want humidity. not wet plants. Don't use a fan on them. move the air around them once they get bigger. They don't need it now.

When plants are seedlings temps are more important then once they get established. The reason being is they are so small they don't have the reserves to come back once a mistake happens. When it comes to temps whats more important then ambient temperatures is the root zone temperature. You want your root zone temps between 70 to 80d while they are seedlings The foliage can be anywhere between 55 to 90d big swing I know. Once they are established you want your root zone within 10 degrees of the foliage temp. 75d roots 85d foliage This will keep your inter node spacing (the branches) closer together.

Hope that helps.
huggee help, but im thinking i Need to water every 36 hours because i swear the cups are very very light and the jiffy organic cups suck out the moisture very quick.

How much lower should the ph be? i could probably lower it to 6?

also, i've been making the mistake misting them like 3 times a day, i'll stop.. i have been misting around the top of the growbox abit though :)

thanks for all the advice cruzer, do you think i should water them less even though it gets dry very quick? i've actually had plants wilt after just 2 days of not watering
 

cruzer101

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huggee help, but im thinking i Need to water every 36 hours because i swear the cups are very very light and the jiffy organic cups suck out the moisture very quick.

How much lower should the ph be? i could probably lower it to 6?

also, i've been making the mistake misting them like 3 times a day, i'll stop.. i have been misting around the top of the growbox abit though :)

thanks for all the advice cruzer, do you think i should water them less even though it gets dry very quick? i've actually had plants wilt after just 2 days of not watering
You are the best judge as to how often to water. Its always different. Depends on how fast it evaporates as well as what the plants use. I found jiffy to dry out fast to. I like rapid rooter plugs better but they still dry out.
Actually you want them to dry out some what. I water by dipping my 3 inch rockwool cubes halfway in the res like every other day. It keeps the roots growing down that way. Top watering evaporates quicker and your roots grow sideways. Once they get established I use a fill and drain. Water twice a day for twenty minutes. Once they go into flower I move them to a drip system and I water that twice a day. I hook both pumps to the same timer.

If they are wilting on the third day I would water every other day.

Yea, I would back off on the pH, no sense in making a big change. I find 5.7 to be best in my case while they are in the seedling/vegging stage.
Once I get a couple weeks into flower I go to 6.0 but that is as high as I go in hydro. When I grow in dirt I grow outdoors and don't bother with ph unless they get weird on me. This next crop is going outside. Im gonna take a break for a while and work on the ventlation. I want to get my CO2 added correctly. I have the tank, valve and silinode switch. I just need to figure out the most efficent way to do this in my case. My cabinet heats up fast.

You are in soil so your plants will probally do just fine without any added nutrients. Be carefull who you listen to here. I am sure everyone means well but you have to remenber, we are all stoners too!

LOL

Good luck. and keep us posted on how she does.
 

xXOnyxXx

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Bro you said Ocean Forrest right? ... i run FFOF and the stuff is way to hot for seedlings .. most likely they're burning up.
 
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