Sr. Verde's: Concentrate Corner

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
so are cannabis oleoresins or concretes the waxes that you are speaking of? and if so are they a byproduct from the butane or an extract from the plant material? and if the latter than why would they not also be found in ice water hash?
They are plant waxes, and they are depleted in bubble hash. Leaf extracts are very waxy. From bud, much less so, esp. fastidiously groomed bud. cn
You are somewhat missing the point cannabiner. Yes trim oil is waxy, but there is a reason I call my bubble "wax".

BHO is typically 5% to 20% plant wax. This wax is dissolved in the extraction process, all fresh oil is "sap". Then during the purging process people lose control of their parameters and crystalize the wax (budder, honeycomb), or they do it intentionally. This crystallized wax is easily vaporized by a hot nail, leaving little to no char. This crystallized wax is also not absorbed by the body (in your lungs) and must be expectorated (coughed up). This is why these dabkids' lungs are collapsing, the crystallized wax build-up and associated coughing. I think shatter/sap is superior over budder for this main health reason, beyond the obvious aesthetic advantage of transparency.

We alter the extraction parameters to change the solvent/solute properties. This allows us to not pick up the wax in the first place, usually at the expense of flavor. These parameter differences account for much of the texture differences between person A's oil and person B's oil. You can also winterize to get rid of the wax in the oil, but this usually takes the flavor as well.

Ice water extract is typically 10 to 30% wax, higher than oil. But the wax in a mechanical extract is in its natural state, not dissolved and then precipitated as a crystal. The natural state wax doesn't vaporize, as evidence by my many videos with a fat piece of char at the end. When you dab "full melt" that wax content is left as a char, which people make fun of me for, but its why my lungs are healthy, and the globkings have collapsed lungs and sip lean.
 

Sr. Verde

Well-Known Member
Has anyone considered using super-hydrophobic spray on the inside of the extraction tube to increase the yield?

Super-hydrophobic spray - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7is6r6zXFDc

My guess is that the spray would keep the butane gas flowing through the tube with more speed and pressure possibly getting more thc from the contents. BUT I have no clue what this stuff is made of and am a little worried that the chemicals could react with the butane. What do you guys think?
Stainless steel doesn't really slow the flow of butane. Clean stainless steel is a very smooth surface. I don't think it would be wise adding chemicals to the inside of the tube for that purpose..
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Check it out, this is the third facebook report of bad BHO collapsing a lung. This kid is PISSED that I took a screen shot of his story but damn its worth sharing.

 

oakley1984

Well-Known Member
Check it out, this is the third facebook report of bad BHO collapsing a lung. This kid is PISSED that I took a screen shot of his story but damn its worth sharing.

inconclusive.

males of age 18-35 that are of a tall slender build, are PRONE to collapsed lungs.
those "bubbles" are there to begin with!

i know because ive delt with it 3x... lol
 

oilmkr420

Active Member
Tane residues are way harsh for me. I remember this guy bringing some oil w him for a tutorial. He was real generous, he saved the day when he brought oil and I have been dry for two days. I globbed a fat one like I would have done one of my own, it was so harsh, it was hot, it crippled me, provoked a breathing attack, and I refused another dab explaining I would wait for the good stuff just a couple hrs from now. The differences lie in the taste and smoothness w high also improved vs butane extracts. I always read about what alternative solvents can be used and few can beat the co2/ethanol combination known as HONEY OIL. Under purged bho sucks ass. BHO is over rated over all IMO and experience.
 

Sr. Verde

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Yeah I don't know how people can dab un purged oil and NOT know.. Poorly purged BHoil makes my lungs feel like they are really irritated, and the feeling sticks around, longer than anything should. It feels like I'm suffocating, even though I'm still breathing, and it takes a while to go away. I personally have asthma and choose not to use an inhaler (infrequent attacks). So I'm probably more sensitive than most for inhalations.

This is why I do a whole 5-10 minutes more of vacuum exposure AFTER the oil stops reacting @ 29hg. I want that shit to be as smooth as physically possible. And yes I'm sure Ice wax is better for you, but I'll still dab my own properly purged BHO. It doesn't bother me at all.

In fact - I've recently ran dry on my own sap. And I've been smoking flowers again.. Well long story short my lungs hate me for smoking, and I had to back way off on the bong rips because it was really irritating my throat and asthma. In the last couple weeks I've been making lots of edibles, eating a lot of edibles, and using the volcano for low temp vapor. My lungs are happy again, I just have to moderate the bong hits. :)

Only another couple months and I'll have my own home grown sap again.
 

Sr. Verde

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These ladies will be going to the 12/12 area by Tuesday. Very excited. They should be pretty large (for indoor) once they are all flowered and scrogged :). I'm hoping to have enough concentrates to last until the next harvest. :)

 

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oilmkr420

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finally got some good trim, then side by side extractions were done w iso-butane vs n-butane. It was Ronson vs power 7. Ronson cost $3.00 a can, only holds 2.75 oz of tane yet yielded a bigger amount respectively vs 10.5 oz of power 7. Such a significant difference, it's identical to the well loved Vector w out having to spend $10 a can.
 

Sr. Verde

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I wonder what the MSDS for the "iso-butane" looks like..

I ask because "n-butane" in the can is actually 29% iso-butane, and 11% propane with actual n-butane content at 60%. (at least for vector kgm butane cans)
 

oilmkr420

Active Member
I thought I read that some where else, but when I looked @ the msds it was the same as ronson which was ISOBUTANE. CAS#68476-86-8 way whoops on Power 5x, 7x, and w much less solvent and heavier oil content extracted, it's quite impressive. I've even been using propane as co-solvents w out the nastiness I first had w it.co2 proof 227.jpgI was surprised at it's unusual variation of a typical extract. It was good.
 

Sr. Verde

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IIRC.. Typically a two stage pulls a better vacuum (lower micron rating), also having the second stage increases the longevity of the motor itself. Less stress on the motor with two stages. :)
 

Dan Kone

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I thought I read that some where else, but when I looked @ the msds it was the same as ronson which was ISOBUTANE. CAS#68476-86-8 way whoops on Power 5x, 7x, and w much less solvent and heavier oil content extracted, it's quite impressive. I've even been using propane as co-solvents w out the nastiness I first had w it.View attachment 2427706I was surprised at it's unusual variation of a typical extract. It was good.
Anyone know where to find MSDS on power5 and newport?
 

oilmkr420

Active Member
my bad Ronson was also CAS# 75-28-5. Just 2.5 oz yielded more than power 7 which is a 10oz can. That was I thought the same number as Vector. It has a 80% minimum Isobutane.
 

oilmkr420

Active Member
power 5,7, king, sun, magic, are all n-butane. C4H10 and isobutane is CH3CH(CH3)2. You see I have an issue spending $10 for a can of butane, but I get the 2.75 oz cans of ronson for $3.00 out the door. It would cost $9 for 3 cans which costs the same as vector, but its just a mental issue I guess. Power5 has a good price for a box, but the yield is so much smaller and its not nearly as clean as Ronson. Major and minor league differences.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
power 5,7, king, sun, magic, are all n-butane. C4H10 and isobutane is CH3CH(CH3)2. You see I have an issue spending $10 for a can of butane, but I get the 2.75 oz cans of ronson for $3.00 out the door. It would cost $9 for 3 cans which costs the same as vector, but its just a mental issue I guess. Power5 has a good price for a box, but the yield is so much smaller and its not nearly as clean as Ronson. Major and minor league differences.
I found this last night. Think it's accurate?

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/264116578/250ml_Butane_fuel_refill_for_lighter.html

Brand Name: Newport,ronson,neon,KM,nola,
Model Number: LD-L2507

UNIVERSAL BUTANE REFILL,Compostion,Information of ingredient:

Chemical Name Formula CAS NO. Weight (%)
Butane C4H10 106-97-8 97.534
Propane C3H8 74-98-6 1.181
OTHERS 1.284
Can(Iron) Fe 7439-89-6
Lid(Polyvinyl Chloride) (C2H3Cl)n 9002-86-2
 

oilmkr420

Active Member
yeah, it's most probably accurate, but I think that was for a brand name? Min order was 5,000 cans and your logo @ $0.48 a can that's cheap, just like the gas in there. Ronson is CAS# 75-28-5 and is not n-butane propane formula. It's also known as methyl propane. I know my shit and this recommendation is proof. Buy it when you see it, try it, then thank me later. n-butane is nasty. I just typed a new thread, took three hours, so when I pushed post, it said sign in so I did and then lost all the info I was giving you readers in reference to co2 xtractions. That just wasted my day and I don't think I will be doing that anytime soon.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
yeah, it's most probably accurate, but I think that was for a brand name? Min order was 5,000 cans and your logo @ $0.48 a can that's cheap, just like the gas in there. Ronson is CAS# 75-28-5 and is not n-butane propane formula. It's also known as methyl propane. I know my shit and this recommendation is proof. Buy it when you see it, try it, then thank me later. n-butane is nasty. I just typed a new thread, took three hours, so when I pushed post, it said sign in so I did and then lost all the info I was giving you readers in reference to co2 xtractions. That just wasted my day and I don't think I will be doing that anytime soon.
Does Ronson make larger cans?
 
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