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cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
oakley1984 said:
placing oil on a bed of ash and then burning it with a lighter is not that method. it is very much combustion lol

oh and if your oil tastes like mothballs when it gets smoked... there's something wrong with the material your using... it should be delicious regardless of delivery method!
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The only time I got the mothball taste is when I accidentally set fire to (combusted) some oil. I'd see the flame and think, oh crap! Lost some potency and added crap to my lungs.
This doesn't happen often to me, thank goodness. Usually it's a quick flameless distillation from the double screen.
Since Brimi is reporting clean vape-like flavor, he is doing something right imo. cn
 
Brimi

Brimi

Well-Known Member
oakley1984 said:
Really now?

Please explain to me how burning an oil is different than burning a plant, both will produce carbon monoxide and other such harmful carcinogens as a DIRECT result of having a flame applied to to produce COMBUSTION..... i await your brilliant reply to this, because science isnt on your side.
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Don't know - that's why i said "don't think so". I don't think it's as simple as you explain. When taking a bong head with bud you combust a lot more plant material that burns away.
But when i take my budder on a bed of ash in the bong the budder almost melts away first and then yes - combusts and surely produces some carbon monoxide along with a lot of other nasty stuff. But when smoking budder i don't have smoke sitting in my whole room. It is as if the budder gives a lighter more airy vapish smoke that dissolves into the air easier. I think that i actually vaporize a great deal of my budder when i smoke it like this and that my lungs receive a much less harsh treatment. After smoking budder like this for some days i actually breathe easier than when i smoke joints.. so combustion is not combustion if you mix in the fact that you vaporize a lot ?
Sorry if i'm not brilliant enough to be able to understand the chemistry about this ;O)
 
Brimi

Brimi

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cannabineer said:
Brimi, try a (convex) top screen. I think you'll like the results ... cn
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Thanks - i'll try that. So that is a screen to put on top of the oil/budder to protect it from the flame?
Another question - yes i read your're right. I hold the flame as far away as i can. But when the budder is melted into the ashes i do use to have the edges slightly burning into the middle untill it's burned away. This is combustion i'm sure, but even so i get a much lighter bong head anyway because most of it vaporized away before melting. Do you guys not get fire at all?
 
CR500ROOST

CR500ROOST

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jdro said:
where from? how much?
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amazon 62 bucks shipping tax 74$.it was like 6 bucks and some change per can.Somebody told me they have vector at spots chalet for 3 to 4 bucks a can,but mine didnt have them.he also said they do not have them online at sports chalet.they have colibri butane for cheaper but the cans are smaller.
 
researchkitty

researchkitty

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Didnt realize you didnt have to wait for them to dry. :)

8g total yield, vac purged with my buddys pump and the gtt mirage. Pics of it in the mornin. :-) No bubbles, fdd! =P
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
oakley1984 said:
Really now?

Please explain to me how burning an oil is different than burning a plant, both will produce carbon monoxide and other such harmful carcinogens as a DIRECT result of having a flame applied to to produce COMBUSTION..... i await your brilliant reply to this, because science isnt on your side.
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Well you want to call the science card so here I am. For starts we can look at the burnt resin in extracts vs flowers. Good extracts leave gold resin in the bong water, flowers leave black and white ash. Lets think about what that difference is, from a scientific view. The hash is closer to vaporizing than combusting, there is no flame with my Ti nail or pad. When I smoke flowers there is ash, lots of it. Extracts leave very little ash. Do you see what I'm getting at? Removing the green from the equation changes how the matter burns, scientifically. Yes you are still consuming vaporized waxes and oils with extracts, but you are not consuming burnt green matter.
 
oakley1984

oakley1984

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Matt Rize said:
doh! (8(l)k
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i wasnt here trying to rip on anyone or discuss the finer points of amounts/quantity of carcinogenic content within the smoke, was just merely stating that combustion is quite simply combustion, regardless of what may be burning, there are still byproducts of combustion produced, quantity of said byproducts.. i wasnt really going to try and debate as its well, kind of impossible with out laboratory tests... just trying to clarify for those who were curious! almost all delivery methods for oil/bho really do fall under the category of vaporization for the fact that we arent really burning our oils, but boiling them until vapors produced! so brimis bong & ash situation, would start out as a crude vaporization technique, followed by combustion of the remaining hardened resins.

ive been smoking and cooking concentrates for close to 15 yrs now so most of my knowledge is based on first hand experience... happy to debate whatever with whomever!
 
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