Stem Cell Research

skunkushybrid · Oct 25, 2006

What do you guys think of M.J.F. and his parkinson routine on fox news?

I think that stem cell research is very important and we have been doing it in this country for years.

I don't think that the focus of this report should be on whether M.J. was acting or not. It should be that stem cell research is very important, and needed for a forward thinking society.

If you guys elect another religous type I'll be very disappointed. Our fate's are not sealed, there will be no armageddon unless we invite it by continuing to believe in childish fairy tales.

Our lives are very short, we need to get real for the sake of our children.

medicinaluseonly · Oct 25, 2006

Yes, whether he was exagerating or not, the message is well taken. Forget about the messenger and listen to the message. To not do stem cell research would be about as far from Jesus Christs teachings as you could be. Heal the sick was one of his most prolific messages, did he not perform healings himself. The Christian right is wrong on this one. The stem cells invbolved would never become human life anyway!

vervejunkie · Oct 25, 2006

medicinaluseonly said:
The stem cells invbolved would never become human life anyway!

Exactly. At least we can agree on two things :leaf:

If humankind uncovers a science, we should be able to use it without divine-command-theorists using their politico-morality to stop medical progress.

I think they can clone individual organs too, eliminating the common misconception of having to grow and slaughter an exact human clone...

ViRedd · Oct 25, 2006

Is the Christian Right against ALL stem cell research, or only stem cells taken from aborted fetuses? Just asking a question here, as I don't have the info. Thanks ...

Vi

Doobie006 · Oct 25, 2006

Stem cell research is very important if we want to make progress in medicine.
It's disappointing, that here in the U.S. that progress may rest in the hands of ignorant religious people who are blinded by their faith.

And based on what I've heard from the "Christian Right" Vi, they are mostly opposed to Embryonic stem cell research not necessarily all stem cell research. They believe that as soon as an egg is fertilized by sperm, it is considered a human being equal to you and I.

This is a question that I've heard being asked of people who share those beliefs: If a building was on fire, and you could only save one of these; A petri dish full of fertilized eggs or a 2 year old baby. Which would you save?

Let me know what you guys think.

ViRedd · Oct 26, 2006

Hmmm ... interesting response, Doobie. I think some of the fear the religious people have is the "Nose under the tent" thing. Maybe they see escalation here. In other words, at what point do we abandon the petri dish and proceed with taking cells from formed fetuses? And ... if we are aborting and using our unborn for convienience sake, when do we start eliminating people when they become useless and inconvienient ... like the infirmed or the aged?

Vi

Dankdude · Oct 26, 2006

The way I see it, where is it the governemnt's job to dictate morality to anyone?
Be it Embryonic stem cell research, or Gay Marriage or what we put into our bodies.

arizonared · Oct 26, 2006

The right is getting ready to counter that MJF ad with another one at the next series game where the starting pitcher for the Cardinals and some other athletes/celebs admonish us that human cloning is not specifically banned under proposition in question.

skunkushybrid · Oct 26, 2006

We do not need to clone the whole human, merely an organ...

Our organs replace themselves over a period of time so long as they are given sufficient time to do so. Surely there is a way of speeding this process up, so that the cells replace themselves at a much faster rate.

ViRedd · Oct 26, 2006

skunkushybrid said:
We do not need to clone the whole human, merely an organ...

But isn't that the "slippery slope" or the "nose under the tent" that the religious right is afraid of? In other words, clone an organ today, clone a complete human tomorrow. In the minds of the religious, only God should be creating mankind.

Vi

ViRedd · Oct 26, 2006

Dankdude said:
The way I see it, where is it the governemnt's job to dictate morality to anyone? Be it Embryonic stem cell research, or Gay Marriage or what we put into our bodies.

Exactly, Dankdude ...

But would you feel the same way if I said "why is it the government's job to dictate to anyone where and how they contribute to "charity?" Socialized medicine and welfare for example.

Vi

Dankdude · Oct 26, 2006

Because you and I see different roles for government.

ViRedd · Oct 26, 2006

*lol* no BS there, Dank.

In a truely free society, shouldn't the role of government be to protect the rights of the citizens? Ahem, that would be the right to contribute to charity as one sees fit too.

Vi

skunkushybrid · Oct 27, 2006

If you're going to give to charity make it a creditible organisation... where most of it will go where it should. Never give to street vendors... even if they offer you the chance to win a car...

ViRedd · Oct 27, 2006

*lol* and the federal government is the BIG street vendor.

Vi

skunkushybrid · Oct 27, 2006

ViRedd said:
*lol* and the federal government is the BIG street vendor.

Vi

Only the federal government doesn't need to ask for it...

medicinaluseonly · Oct 27, 2006

.. even if they offer you the chance to win a car...[/quote] Tell me you have a car, Everyone has a car, most people have 2 unless you live in NY city, Cars are kind of my hobby, I've had 5-8 at one time, I've weaned myself to 2. my truck and my hot rod. Living in the west US you have to have a car as public transportation is not very comprehensive. I can't even imagine not having one, Ive had one since I was 15 except for the 3 years I did in the Army!

skunkushybrid · Oct 28, 2006

I'm banned from driving for a while... I've been driving since 14... never had a lisence... or paid insurance... or road tax... I'm banned for what you boys would call a DUI. I was only just over the limit, just all the other stuff I was on didn't make it look good as I stumbled out of the car. I've never crashed, been crashed into... but I've never crashed. Oh, and drink driving is bad, I'd never do it again.

medicinaluseonly · Oct 28, 2006

I'm not proud to say I've had a few DUIs, Years ago, as I finally saw the light and quit drinking about 20 years ago. If I had those run ins with the law in this day and age, I'd probably be doin 1-10 in upstate, without a paddle, 20 years ago it wasn't such a big thing as everyone was doin it, not everyone got caught though, seems like only me and I'm glad as it led to my giving up the booze. I'd say 10-1 booze is a worse drug than pot. Just about every fight I ever got into involved Booze. There are those that can have a glass of wine with dinner and quit, me it was either all or nothing, I never drank for the taste as some try and tell it, I drank for the Buzz, so thank "God", no mas por mi!

Dankdude · Oct 28, 2006

I've never had a DUI, but I have been making my own beer for 18 years.

I stay at home and drink.

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