Stew's Breeding Project 2013

SxIstew

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I'll keep searching to see if I can find out. lol....
It's interesting reading. I enjoy learning about something finally. I can't wait till my grand kids(my kid is only 20 months lol) are learning about how to grow weed for extra credit in school. 25-30 years from now. AHHAHA

They'll be all ready with info going into college for Canna-Botany 101 lol...



Too tired to search right now.. But I won't be going to bed for at least an hour or 2. This is getting high time after fixing the car 90% lol...
And I'm addicted to the arcade. hahaha
 

MrEDuck

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Looking good in there. Now you just need to teach those pregnant ladies to make you a sandwich, barefoot.
You can back cross to either parent and you end up reinforcing the traits from them.
 

SxIstew

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K. So Let me ask you since you probably have more knowledge of this..


I will be INBREEDING the next few generations and THEN BXing back to either parent (x2 will be an official Back Cross right?)


I know I can store pollen in the fridge. I can also accomplish 12 week grows from seed without issue(When using General Organics.)
So As long as the pollen remains viable I can BX with the father. and If it's not viable I have wasted time for a semi stable strain. lol
 

MrEDuck

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K. So Let me ask you since you probably have more knowledge of this..


I will be INBREEDING the next few generations and THEN BXing back to either parent (x2 will be an official Back Cross right?)


I know I can store pollen in the fridge. I can also accomplish 12 week grows from seed without issue(When using General Organics.)
So As long as the pollen remains viable I can BX with the father. and If it's not viable I have wasted time for a semi stable strain. lol
And this is where it gets a little tricky. All backcrossing is inbreeding but not all inbreeding is back crossing. Stability takes longer by doing full sibling incrosses than by doing backcrosses from what I understand.
 

SxIstew

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And this is where it gets a little tricky. All backcrossing is inbreeding but not all inbreeding is back crossing. Stability takes longer by doing full sibling incrosses than by doing backcrosses from what I understand.
So If I BX instead of Inbreed certain GDP crosses they will be stable sooner. Is that what you mean?

So instead of crossing the male and female of the progeny I hit a female of the F1 with the original Father. and do the same for her progeny(BX1) and and again for the BX2 to cube the cross. and then it should have very minimal pheno variance depending on the parents stability.

I just want to make sure I am 100% correct on how I move forward from here.

I've gotten about 100 seeds so far from 4 plants(2 small BD and CC clones and then the 2 big CC clones.)

Those were not pollinated well either(Well the Big CC wasn't. so they produced a minimal amount of seeds.)
 

MrEDuck

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You need to have a plan before you start. Think of the traits you have in the two parent plants and then think of how you want to combine them. If you have a mostly great plant that has one major drawback (generally good growth qualities, amazing smoke, fantastic buzz, great smell/taste, but yields like crap as an example) outcrossing to a plant that shores up the weakness, then backcrossing to the mostly great parent.
To give a more concrete example look at the Bros Grimm JH bagseed plants like Princess and Genius. Princess apparently yielded better than Genius but was still a pretty crappy yielder so the initial out cross before beginning the cubing process was to a plant that yielded well. There's also a reason that the demand for Bodhi's high yielding stabilized Genius pheno of A11 was so high.
Also if you may want to make F2s with a full sib (incross, some standards for nomenclature really need to be agreed upon) of the F1s and then start the backcrossing from that plant if you're looking for a specific distribution of traits.
 

SxIstew

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You need to have a plan before you start. Think of the traits you have in the two parent plants and then think of how you want to combine them. If you have a mostly great plant that has one major drawback (generally good growth qualities, amazing smoke, fantastic buzz, great smell/taste, but yields like crap as an example) outcrossing to a plant that shores up the weakness, then backcrossing to the mostly great parent.
To give a more concrete example look at the Bros Grimm JH bagseed plants like Princess and Genius. Princess apparently yielded better than Genius but was still a pretty crappy yielder so the initial out cross before beginning the cubing process was to a plant that yielded well. There's also a reason that the demand for Bodhi's high yielding stabilized Genius pheno of A11 was so high.
I had a plan. well I have a plan. But it's changed a bit since I started the grow. Because of issues with CS spraying not being the right PPM for the plant to turn(Being too high to start with)

I have the traits I was looking for, smell, structure, yield, and potency.

Smell:
I KNEW Cotton Candy had a very fruity smell to it. And KNEW my Blue Dream smelled like Blueberry Muffins.

I was looking to bring more of a full on fruity scent to the final mainly increasing what was already present in both strains.

Structure:
Blue Dream beefs up like crazy, while the Cotton Candy has a bit more of a stretch in early flower. So it increases the length of the main cola(s), and THEN swells.

Cotton Candy is supposed to purple under cold conditions but mine hermed on me so I chopped it and the clones before I could see if it did or not.
(I will be watching for herms in the progeny to see what the stress condition is. I have had a few but nothing critical at this point)

What I was hoping to find in some of the progeny is a beefy LONG bud stretching up the stem but still beefing up the way Blue Dream(mine) does BEFORE the swell.
With the purpling leaves and blue tinted buds. :)

Yield:
Blue Dream is a heavy yielding plant.
Cotton Candy is a heavy yielding plant.
enough said. lol

Potency:
Blue Dream can climb above 20% with the right conditions but has an average of about 18% THC

Cotton Candy has about the same %THC as the Blue Dream, and can increase as well.
I will be getting everything tested(Including F1-F- progeny once grown out.)


I will have a list of Terpenes, CB- %s, and THC- %s(All of them; that's what the - is in place of.)
 

SxIstew

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The BD x BBYY I did was for my friend's mom who passed. It's a dedication strain.

And ALL the GDP crosses were because I hit one strain in the tent why not all of them.
I had the pollen and just thought it could produce some great crosses. As well as shit crosses that I know now will not turn out how I want because of how everything is growing at the moment.

Hell I really thing 3-4 plants in the tent are ugly as shit. lol... But they are my plants. So I will finish what I started and move on. ;)


I almost used Cocoa Puffs pollen AND Whit 88 G13/Hashplant pollen in there too.... But then thought I would just make a mess.


GDP crossed with anything is just fun. lol. Sorry to make a joke out of such a serious thing but I am still learning here.
I ALWAYS say how I am NOT an expert and just started this shit, lol...

Having people like you around make me more comfortable so I can accomplish something.
 

SxIstew

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A few of the strains in the tent are already turning color. Including pollinated xGDP plants.
2 of 3 BBYY are turning purple. while the third maintains its dark green hue(May go blue if the temps drop enough)



Adding Purple to purple can't ALWAYS be bad.

I don't know the potency of the GDP and will test the potency of the mother and then the progeny to compare to.
If it's increased then I've increased potency and color(Which is basically why xGDP EVERYTHING. lol)
 

SxIstew

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How's everyone doing tonight?? Been doing a whole bunch of reading up on IBLs and The Application of Selection Pressure.
Here's a little thing I found interesting but Selfing a plant over and over and over and over and over OMG NO. lol
P1-The name of the parent to which a hybrid is crossed in a backcross.
F2- generation : The progeny resulting from self hybridization or inbreeding of F1 individuals is called Second Filial or F2 generation.
F1- generation : The progeny produced from a cross between two parents (P1) is called First Filial or F1 generation.
inbred line- (IBL) - A line produced by at least five generations of sequential inbreeding, self fertilization or backcrossing accompanied by selection within and between lines so that the individuals are considered to be homozygous, or nearly so.
Homozygous - An individual possessing (receiving from parents) identical alleles for a trait is said to be homozygous or pure for that trait, e.g. plant with RR alleles is homozygous for the seed shape. A homozygous always breeds true for that trait.
Phenotype - The external (morphological) appearance of an individual for any trait or traits is called the phenotype, e.g. for seeds, round shape or wrinkled shape is the phenotype
Capitate-Botany: forming a head like mass or dense cluster, as the flowers of plants in the composite family. Enlarged and globular at the tip.
Dominant - said of an allele which by itself alone will produce a particular phenotype regardless of which other allele may be present on the other matching chromosome of the diploid pair; thus it takes only one copy of the chromosome to cause a dominant trait to be expressed in the phenotype.
Genome - the total genetic information possessed by an individual, a breed or a species.
Genotype - the invisible genetic makeup of an individual organism, which includes alleles which may be recessive and therefore have no visible physical expression.



Long long long pages of reading. Made me tired but I got it all. :)
I mentioned this in another thread and got people telling me I'm wrong. but then the REAL answers came through. :)

Anyways. In order to create a Blue Dream IBL(F--) I will need to introduce a male to the mix. So.... Why not just add in DJ Short's Blueberry like the original father of Blue Dream is to begin with? lol....

This is just to create regular seeds to work with and find the 2 Dream pheno's I plan to cross for the IBL.

I would revert the haze pheno female cut I am getting because I want MORE traits from the Muffin Pheno than the haze pheno.

Take the F1 progeny and find the phenotype I want by cutting clones of the strongest females showing all the traits I'll be looking for in veg,
Flower the clones while holding the mothers in veg..
Whichever are showing all the traits I will be wanting I will hit with DJ Short's Blueberry[male] pollen.

Take the F1 progeny and keep the strongest male with the purple and pungent stems, and short stalky vegitative growth.(My pheno shows purple stems in early veg, not sure who else has seen this without the same scent in a Blue Dream)
Do the same test as the previous run on the females to find the ones with ALL traits I want to keep(Should be 50/50), and hit them with the F1 [male] pollen.

The F2 progeny should show more of the recurrent traits than the previous but, They also say some F2 strains are the least stable, I think a test may still be required if I cannot pick them out by veg growth alone, and if there are NOT 75%/25% in my favor.

F3 should be simple and run smooth because by then there will be close to 100% of the pheno(Heavy yielding Hazeberry muffin pheno) with a few straggling recessive traits in the bunch.

I can continue to F5+ for the IBL and if it STILL has a few recessive traits present in certain plants I will keep going until 100% uniform.




Remember, ALL females in progeny generations will be the ones with the 2 Blue Dream pheno's and whatever added traits of the Blueberry male.

If I said this wrong forgive me I am high. I took almost an hour to type this thing. hahaha. Had to keep re reading it because I thought I had it wrong at first. But I think it's all good. :)

Please correct it if I am off there.
 

SxIstew

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I don't understand how a natural male would be needed.
Well it wouldn't But it would make it easier for me to breed a male into the mix(Since the female/recurrent parent passes on a majority of the traits.)

Producing regular seeds and not having to pick a female to spray and wait and cross my fingers and just hope for a better situation next time... ;)

See where I am coming from?


If I just throw a male in to change the outcome of the progeny. this is only to hit the F1[fem] progeny(Of the S2xS1) Whichever have most to all the traits I am looking for.

Then I can continue to inbreed the best male and females(with specific traits) until I have a homozygous strain(F5+)

 

SxIstew

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I don't understand how a natural male would be needed.
I COULD S2xS1 = F1[fem]

(Best phenotype of the F1>self'd = S1


(Pheno specific)S1>self'd = S2

(Same)S2>self'd = S3

and so on until an IBL is apparent(Showing close to 100% identical matches to the rest of the progeny of that generation)

If I had better luck with the Colloidal Silver spray this time around I probably wouldn't be so scared of trying it this way.
lol

STS may be another way to go for me.
Or the wasted money of T-mist. lol
 

SxIstew

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The recurrent parent is the one passing on the traits but it doesn't matter what the sex is.
How can a father be a recurrent parent(If I hit the Progeny with the original father??)

I thought that was just going to create more F1 generations every cross(Being of 2 different genotypes even if one is the progeny of the other, happens for the initial BX in a female as well(F1))....


You know more so please help me out a bit here. lol
 

SxIstew

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You just keep pollinating his daughter's with him over and over.
I may do some that way depending on the pollen and how long It lasts...

I knew I could hit with the father over and over to introduce his traits to the genotype.
I just thought I would have to Inbreed the progeny at some point to become stable.
 
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